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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 01:27 PM Original message |
We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Spending creates jobs. |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. broken windows create jobs |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Have you read Henry Hazlitt's denunciation of the broken window theory? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Also demand is in crisis because the rich have successfully suppressed wages for 30 years |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. If you look closely at the sources of wealth for the wealthy class, |
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Drahthaardogs (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
87. You are right. |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #87 |
95. 6 of the top 10 wealthiest individuals in our country inherited their wealth: |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. The rich also don't create wealth. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
84. Correct. All wealth is created by labor. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Hear Hear, Sir! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Good to see you again, sir ... even sans the shadow figure. |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. I posted an idea to correct that... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. +1000 |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. Private equity firms |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. factcheck.org debunks that myth... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. In talking with poor people about this, I find that they already KNOW this. |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Dead-on right here, Bobbo |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Wouldn't it be a *lot* more cost effective to distribute food stamps and other |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You don't think state and local would take a share too? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I guarantee that the share with be a small percentage of the overhead being used up in Washington. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
68. Really? How do you guarantee that? |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Because state and locals would find a reason not to use it as intended |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I respectfully disagree. We tax locally for schools, police, fire, and roads. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
59. Because those services are considered vital |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
67. Taxing "locally" to deal with "local" poverty. Obvious problem with that, education |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Exactly. That has been demonstrated over and over and over again... we need to LEARN this. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. No. Because state and local governments are funded through less progressive measures. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. The federal government has costs associated with administering the programs. Add |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. link? |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I did a quick Google and found the cost for Medicare administration. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. But, do you have anything to compare state/local admin costs to this figure? |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Top three economic stimulators |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. TERRIFIC information! Yes, a link would be very appreciated. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. CBO Ranks Extending Tax Cuts as Least Effective Stimulus Option |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Thanks... I saw that when it came out. However, I'm not finding what you quoted |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. I'd love that link |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Are you referring to the one about the low-income housing? |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The low income housing. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You are wonderful to be willing to take this information, and use it for ACTION!! |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. No problem. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Do you have others who would also testify about this kind of info? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Here is one quote, 750 jobs, but not the one I'm looking for. |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I'll save this and read it in a bit. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Yeah, its a little hard on reading comprehension, when I child is needing mom! |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. np/ |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. This is local, about the shortfall... don't know if it will be helpful to you: |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. I'm not talking about tax cuts. I'm saying use the same dollars locally without |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. That has been explained to you... done over and over with the same sad results. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. So you are telling me that the *only* entity capable of effectively delivering social programs is |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'm not that interested in a state's rights argument. Just one thing.. its among many, but I will |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. You are long on passion, and I admire your passion for the |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Yes, it is "weak" to want JUSTICE for poor people. State's rights is crap! |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You didn't read a damn thing I wrote - clearly. And that's a shame. (nt) |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Its all the same.. states rights, states rights, states rights. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Guess what? Repeating it over, and over, and over, still won't make it true |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. then stop repeating it. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I'm not talking about State's rights, I'm discussing the creation |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Oh for fuck's sake.. you are right. Cut all the safety net... there's not much left now anyway. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. One trick pony, this one. I never said anything about State's rights, I |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
71. You are totally confused about funding and delivery of services and refuse to listen |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
79. You still haven't proven that a local/state government............ |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
91. The Federal admin usually includes reimbursing states for about halt of admin costs |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
86. Fine then. Cut LOCAL and keep FEDERAL. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. And yet they are the most preyed upon |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
78. Rachel Maddow has done SEVERAL segments........ |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Paris Hilton creates a lot of jobs |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. bail bondsmen, makeup, hair, nails, shoes, dresses, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
17. Sure you can go work as their nanny for $150 a |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. No one EVER hired someone they didn't need, no matter HOW RICH |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
80. THANK YOU Anna.Yes it's THAT simple............. |
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cognoscere (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
26. Here are some other myths(lies, actually) that need to be crushed: |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
75. +1. nt |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. K&R! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I've suggested a DU campaign to use ads and billboards to deseminate info like this. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Have you posted in Ask the Administrators? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. ????????? |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. It certainly couldn't hurt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. . |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
48. Another way to debunk the argument is with the simple fact that |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. in fact, they are the opposite of business mythology |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. In general terms that's exactly correct. It's not "big" business but |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #62 |
73. I am going to twist your head a bit here |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 07:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
88. Actually "medium" business create relatively more of the new jobs |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
64. The easiest response is .... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. And ANOTHER sees the TRUE answer to this........... |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-26-11 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
70. Three Asians and one American were stranded on an island |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
74. Not just the middle class, but low income working class people as well |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
76. Notice that Obama's stimulus gave them billions in new contracts ... !!! |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
77. You don't even have to go that far. Just say "DEMAND........ |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
82. corporations' SOLE purpose |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
83. A company that used excess cash to create jobs that aren't needed would go out of business. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. They need workers. They just don't want to pay for them. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. The SOLE morally legitimate task of management is to convert labor to capital. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-27-11 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
85. Correct |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
89. Because they control the means of production.... |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
96. They're creating jobs alright. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-28-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
97. Add To That. . . |
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