Voters we shouldn't even TRY to win over

[Ken Burch]

1)People who want a big defense budget.

2)People who look down on the poor.

3)People who STILL hate the Sixties.

4)People who want social spending cut first.

5)People who hate unions.

6)People who love corporations

7)People who hate cities.

8)People who hate activists and idealists.

9)People who hate the fact that the country is now and will forever be multiracial and multicultural.

We can't GET those votes anyway.

In ORDER to get them, we have to put so many limitations on ourselves that it makes it impossible for us to do anything AFTER the election(as in the Nineties).

Those combined votes AREN'T the majority.

Let's win the most effective way-buy mobilizing the potential voters who feel that nobody in the politics of today represents them.
Combined with our current base, that would give us a majority.

THAT is the way to build a coalition that doesn't go away in only two years.

[HughBeaumont]

1. 10) people who are still fighting the Cold War.

[Ken Burch]

2. That too.

n/t.

[Zoeisright]

3. 11) People who are still fighting the Civil War.

And, people in this list are too stupid to be Democrats.

[Ken Burch]

4. Especially if they still dress up in the uniforms and restage the battles

I mean, c'mon guys...it's like Titanic...every time you play it again, the boat sinks and Lee surrenders. Deal with it.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. I've always wondered about that.

When they reenact these battles, is the outcome still the same? :shrug:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

7. I don't consider the re-encators any kind of issue

[Ken Burch]

12. It was a joke.

The way I phrased it should've made it obvious.

Still, it is a little disturbing that re-enactments seem to be much a Southern thing. Why can't they just let it go already? It's not like anything in the South would've been better if the Gray had prevailed.

[cordelia]

10. Why is it that the Civil War is

consistently brought up by people who do not live in the South?

[Ken Burch]

17. Probably because some Southern people even today still won't accept

that it's over and that they have no right to feel victimized about it.

And I say that as a person who's family on my father's side left Tennessee in 1910.

The Lost Cause has been nursed as a bogus grievance for 146 years now. You'd think they were Serbians or something.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

6. I wouldn't waste my time on this one either

[Ken Burch]

16. Fair enough.

It looks like he's about to start saying "but I am, I AM Napoleon!"

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. I can't agree with number 7

Most of us aging hippies really do not like cites and are glad to leave them to those of you who do.

[Ken Burch]

13. I wasn't talking about the "back to the land" types.

It was the suburban types who keep electing Congressmembers and Senators that vote to leave the cities to rot.

[MadHound]

9. People who hate cities?

Gee, I guess I should pack my bags and go, because yes, I do hate cities. I hate their noise, pollution, smell, traffic, and how cut off from nature I feel in one.

That's why I moved to the country.

Guess I'll go now, since it seems as though I'm not wanted.

[Ken Burch]

14. I wasn't talking about "back to the land" counterculture types. That's different

YOU don't vote for the politicians who've left our cities to rot for forty years.

The unfortunate fact is that most rural areas will ALWAYS be right-wing, other than the nonconforming few like yourself. At the very least, those who want everyone to move to the suburbs will the urban core is left to die can't be capable of anything progressive.

And if there IS any hope of turning rural areas blue, it doesn't lie in indulging their most retrograde feelings. It lies in getting the most dispossessed people in those areas to back us by talking clearly about class.

[sufrommich]

11. "People who STILL hate the Sixties"

That would include too many generation X and Yers who are tired of hearing from their parents how great they were.


"People who love corporations" Anybody who works for a corporation probably isn't going to want that corporation to go away.

[Ken Burch]

15. I was talkng about the people who still go on about "permissiveness" and that shit

And who still don't accept that women, the Rainbow and LGBT people should be full citizens.

The kind who still think that drug abuse can be controlled through police state tactics and the prison-industrial complex.

Not the ones who are sick of nostalgia.

There were problems in the Sixties and some things didn't work. But this would be a miserable country if that great period of openness had never happened. You wouldn't WANT to live in a country where it was still just like the Fifties. Go to Texas if you don't believe me.

[Ken Burch]

20. They might, however, be interested in collectively taking over that corporation

and running it democratically for the good of each other and the world.

[readmoreoften]

18. I wholeheartedly agree.

We need to stop "reaching across the aisle" and we need to start organizing with whom we share political affinities.

[Populist_Prole]

19. I guess that's a pretty good list alright.

Some have taken issue with the disliking of cities and what it means. I believe the OP meant that cons dislike cities because their rural an/or southern wing tend to lump them into a conflation of coastal elites and think of city dwellers as not real 'murkins.

I personally would not want to live in an urban area, but the dwellers there ( if they are citizens ) are as "real Americans" as any self righteous rural flag waver.