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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:04 PM
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Has Anybody Thought About How Spiraling Gas Prices
Has anybody thought about how spiraling gas prices will affect the economy, struggling Americans who are barely making it, and President Obama's reelections prospects?

I have seen this movie before...
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:15 PM
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1. I think about it constantly. I am aware that
speculators have a finger in the pie, but there should be some way to counter that. Seeing gasoline go up 3/4 cents overnight is frightening. I realize also, that corporations have their big hands in the mess, but isn't there something we can do? I think Democrats should stop being "the nice guys" and take charge. The Republican corporations ala Koch, oil companies, etc.don't play nice. We know there are several governors who have been bought by them. Is it too late for us?
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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 02:54 PM
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2. Bigger jump
Here in my end of western North Carolina, gas jumped 20 cents in 2 days.
Its getting tight.
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GentryDixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:01 PM
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3. $3.19 for regular
in my part of Utah. Up 4 cents since yesterday. No telling where this is headed.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 07:02 PM
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33. I drove 5 blocks past $3.89 and got a bargain...
$3.73 in Chicago
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:04 PM
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4. Of course! I never freakin forgot how it effects the economy.
If this extends all the way into summer and there is $4+ gas (ina cheap gas state) This is going to cause a double dip. Add in a hurricane.
And it's over. Get ready for PResident Romney.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:48 PM
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:55 PM
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7. Not for me
I get 10 mpg. I won't drive less. It will just cost more.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:07 AM
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28. What are you driving, a semi?
Edited on Sat Feb-26-11 11:08 AM by cleanhippie
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:56 PM
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8. That would only be a good thing IMHO
if the government were actively working on developing alternative/renewable forms of energy, or, I should say, working to make consumer access to alternative sources of energy more viable. For the foreseeable future, all I can see is being stuck with a bunch of oil-addicted Republican politicians continuing to shovel more cash into the pockets of the oil companies and working in conjunction with them (assisted by their media propaganda apparatus) to frustrate and work against such environmental (and consumer-) friendly efforts. :shrug: Until then,higher gas prices are just going to drag the economy and the average consumer that needs his/her car to get to work further down. It sucks. It really does. I know that President Obama and his administration are dedicated to "green jobs" and projects but they can't do a whole lot with the Republicans running at least one chamber of Congress and otherwise mucking such efforts up. :banghead:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:09 PM
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19. And many below average workers will lose their jobs. But that never matters to the gas tax junkies.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:09 AM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 07:00 PM
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 08:16 AM
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21. Many Americans Are Literally Tapped Out
The only thing higher gas prices for them will discourage is buying food, clothes, and medicine.

Rapid increases in the price of non discretionary items like gas is a burden on those that make the least money and can least afford it because most of their income goes to non discretionary items.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:56 AM
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26. You presume other citizens can afford a new hybrid car.
In reality, millions will have to go without necessities because they are already squeezed financially.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:11 AM
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30. Are you going to buy that hybrid for us?
Are you going to force the state to repair the rail line that husband WAS using to get to work, and is now out of order for another month and a half; forcing me to drive him to work an hour away twice a week? (at $3.39 a gallon yesterday,btw)

Are you going to pay the water/phone/whatever bill that equals the cost of the gas I am having to spend since I have to drive him to work SINCE there is no public transportation option? (btw the bus is just as expensive as the gas and does not go where he needs to go, so MORE gas is spend getting him there in that case anyway)?

Are you going to figure out how to pack all of his turntables, mixers, speakers, and etc in a "small fuel efficient car" EVERY time he/we have to get him to one of his gigs? (along with my son, since I have to drive him and he is seven years old and we obviously can't afford a babysitter every time I need to drive husband to work.)

We don't live in Europe. We live in a country that has a lot of space. A lot of rural areas. A sensible option is to find a way to help convert CURRENT vehicles to more efficient outputs at a minimum price. Standing on a soapbox looking down at people who have not 'chosen' to get a hybrid is not helpful. In this economic environment; and with the hit a lot of people's credit is taking due to job losses and subsequent delinquencies in bills, credit cards and mortgages, it is hard for people who even *have* the money to qualify for the newer, hybrid cars.

People are hurting. People are on their last dollar and their last hope. It was designed to be this way. So please don't preach about what they/we "should" be doing. People are actually aware of what would be good for the environment. But being aware and being able to do something about it are sometimes, and now pretty often two totally different things.

Be angry at the corporations and the businesspoliticians who have made it impossible for people to even think about a newer car, much less a fuel efficient hybrid. Preaching at us about what we should be doing and thinking about is just buying into their elitism and their disdain for the common man.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 08:38 AM
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36. I Believe Most European Nations Are The Size Of American States
As you said America is not as densely populated and squeezing a lot of people in a small are creates a whole new set of problems.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 03:51 PM
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6. Some of it has to do with speculators worrying about revolution in Libya etc.
Speculators shouldn't be able to control anything, IMO. Just the facts, Ma'am.

And it's always a good idea to grow your own vegetables and spices, if possible. Just sayin'.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:00 PM
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9. My wife and i were just talking about this earlier
Why should "potential" events control prices? Shouldn't ACTUAL EVENTS do that? They said on the news that there's no problem with the 2% supply from Libya at this point, so why not wait to raise prices when something actually happens? I was telling my wife that I think that they just decide what the price is going to be and go about finding an excuse.....er.....reason to justify it when they're asked.
:wtf:
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:04 PM
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10. yes,
Graig palest says that they are a cartel and decide what ever price they want. He also said oil should be below $50 a barrel...same old same old
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:39 PM
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17. Yep.
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 05:53 PM
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20. Part of the issues is that while only a small portion of our oil
comes from Libya, a larger portion of Europe's does and they are trying to off-set the shortage from other sources.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:05 PM
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11. We're talking about parking the Xterra, and buying an Avalon
My wife has a 8 mile to and from work it wouldn't mean much savings weekdays but it would on weekends were we put 3-500 miles on the xterra.

I'll be keeping my 31mpg accord for my daily commute of 60 miles total.

And of course the jeep will continue to be driven 500 miles a year.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:06 PM
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12. I'm buying a ford fusion hybrid. 41 mpg yeah!
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:14 PM
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13. Yeah, but you know who it won't hurt? The same wealthy people
who invest in the futures market. They are creaming their jeans - oh, the money to be had at the expense of the poor schumks who can't afford to pay more for anything.

Higher gas prices hurt those least able to pay more - another assult, another shrinking of the dignity of poor and almost poor Americans...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:23 PM
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:31 PM
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15. Everyone in the economic sector is thinking of it
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 04:33 PM by Aerows
they just can't really do anything about it.

The Bernanke could print some more dollars, but that wouldn't help this situation in the slightest, nor will it help the fact that food prices are sky rocketing. Did you miss that 12 million tons of rice are contaminated with cadmium?

NONE of this bodes well for the economy.

We don't live in a vacuum.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:32 PM
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16. 12 million tons of rice contaminated in China
Let me reiterate that.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:52 AM
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24. Can you link to that. Please
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:42 PM
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18. The last time gas hit $4 we went into this recession
Check the calendars. The banks fell apart within weeks of gas hitting $4 across the nation.
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:38 AM
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22. Watch gas prices around Memorial Day
you'll learn all you need to know about gas prices.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:46 AM
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23. Everything is connected
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:52 AM
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25. I ride bike more, drive car less
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 11:14 AM
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31. Do you eat less? Everything is connected.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 10:57 AM
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27. Yes, it is already really hard for many people.
Its only going to get worse.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 07:08 PM
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34. I'm painfully aware of how it impacts my economy too
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 07:15 PM
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35. All of these billions of dollars
Edited on Sat Feb-26-11 07:16 PM by hulka38
intended to stabilize the region only made it dangerously volatile. You can't sit on that many desperate people for that long and call it stable.
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