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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:00 PM
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Unless they can recall or impeach Walker, how can labor win? I just don't see it happening. That's
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 12:06 PM by still_one
not to say that people should not do the good fight, but as long as the political landscape in Wisconson, and other state remains strongly republican it isn't going to happen

That is why elections matter, and as bad as I fear things are going to get, the silver lining is that as more and more people are directly hurt by republican policies, that will setup for the demise of those outrageous policies

The sad thing is that it is taking so long for people to realize what is happening

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:03 PM
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1. You are underestimating the good people of Wisconsin.
They are on the side of labor for this fight.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:07 PM
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6. Of course they are, but what can they do when the political landscape is what it is? In a year yes,
they can do a recall effort, an when elections come due, make their voices heard, but other than that I don't see it

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:10 PM
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9. Not every Republican in the assembly is a wingnut - if they want to be re-elected,
they may need to rethink their allegiance with Governor Mubarak.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:20 PM
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14. A Handful of Republican State Senators...
A number of Republican State Senators are eligible to be recalled in the here and now, though.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:05 PM
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2. The people cannot recall him
Until he's been in office for at least a year. That's the law. But judging from what I've heard people in Wisconsin say, a recall may very well happen. Don't give up hope. These tebaggers haven't seen anything yet. SOLIDARITY!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:09 PM
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7. I am not giving up hope, and in fact I believe that the republicans may have jumped the shark by
calling a war against labor in this country, but it will take time after the awful midterm results


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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:05 PM
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3. Recall the Republicans in the legislature who have already
served their required year. There are at least 8 that are ripe for recall. That would shift the balance.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:10 PM
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8. That is the best news I have heard. Can they do it. I would think the recall can only occur in the
district where the republicans reside, so can they get enough signatures for that? That would be something


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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:12 PM
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11. Depends on the will to get the signatures.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 01:46 PM
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18. This will help.
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:06 PM
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4. Sady, I agree with you...
This is gonna be the air traffic controllers situation all over again.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:12 PM
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10. I would hope they don't lose their jobs, and go back to work before that is exercised. However, I
would believe that in a year when they can recall walker, they will remember what he did

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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:06 PM
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5. they are winning already
even if they lose in Wisconsin, this event is changing the entire nation.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:13 PM
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12. That I agree with. The republicans have awakened a sleeping giant, LABOR, that will NOT forget what
Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 12:13 PM by still_one
the republicans have done to them

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:18 PM
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13. If you really believe that Republicans and big business can't be defeated you have one option left.

You can give up and surrender.

Under far worse conditions the people of Egypt do not embrace that defeatist attitude.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:21 PM
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15. I agree with you
There seems to be a lot of denial about this, but I see it as inevitable. There is no way the dems can win this.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:27 PM
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16. Walker will not be impeached by a Republican assembly and recall is a year away.
We'll see if the recall fire for Walker can be maintained for a year. Yes, some of the Republican senators can be recalled now as well as some of the Democrats, but recall does not mean they are removed. They must be beaten at the polls in a recall election. Democrats have to wake up this time and actually get out and vote, something they did not do in November. Choosing not to vote has severe consequences as we see now.

The reality is that here in Wisconsin things may not be saved, but the protests here may actually help to save other states from going through this. Walker is in a position now of not being able to compromise because it would give the Democrats a victory so it is likely he will not budge from his position. I don't expect it.

This is going to be a marathon and not a sprint with a number of important battles ahead, including recall elections. We'll see what Democrats here are really made of in this next year and if this current passion can be maintained. If the Tea Partiers can do it we should be able to do it as well.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 12:35 PM
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17. I'll feel awful if we (labor) lose this fight and I'll get flamed for saying this BUT...
The people of Wisconsin spoke. They wanted a bunch of wing nut tea-bagging doosh bags, that's who they elected and so this is what they get.

People have to learn that their actions have consequences. If the Bush years didn't teach people about what scum bag mother fuckers they were dealing with when it comes to republicans then all bets are off.
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