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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:14 PM
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Conservative "real change" is easier: teapartiers in the "last days" (of the government)
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 02:31 PM by andym
Teapartiers appear to feel we're in the "last days." Not the last days of the world as in fundamentalist Christianity, but of the federal government. They see themselves as the soldiers who will finally implement Reagan's dream, thanks to the accumulated effects of tax cuts and government spending that have resulted large deficits over the years (a battle plan started by Reagan himself). Did you really think they were hypocrites about the budget? Well they are, but hypocrites with a plan. Not only do they intend to cut the federal government back to the 19th century (goodbye to NPR, EPA, FAA, USPS, FDA etc) sooner rather than later, but will end the possibility of progressive change through the government for a generation or more.

How can they achieve real change with only a majority in the House, when Democrats in the two years before could pass only the most modest progressive legislation? Because in Congress, like in real life, destruction is easier than construction. To pass anything it has to get by a 60 member Senate supermajority. But to defund government, conservatives only need pass their demands in the House, and then when the Senate disagrees refuse to do anything unless they get their way. If the Senate or President doesn't go along then shut the government down and they then effectively achieve their ultimate goal: no federal government immediately. Won't that cause them political problems? Perhaps. Perhaps not. When people scream after not getting SS checks, the GOP will simply just blame the "liberal" Democrats for forcing the shutdown. What about all the federal workers losing their jobs? To the GOP they are not real workers anyway, so they don't care. Won't it hurt the economy? Some of the deluded GOP think government evisceration would really help, the others want a bad economy to elect a GOP president next year.

So how are the moderate Democratic administration and Senate countering this war on the government: proposing very modest government spending cuts, hoping to achieve some deficit reduction, and take away enough public support from the conservatives to prevent the wholesale government destruction. But how can conservatives be stopped when they don't really care what the public thinks?

If you have any doubt that the Right is on war against the government and government workers, then look no farther than what they are trying to do to state workers in Wisconsin and Ohio for example.
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:18 PM
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1. When retired teabaggers don't get their ss checks or retired military checks then you'll see. I
am not a teabagger but I receive a ss check and I worry allot. I don't have a cushion to fall back on.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:35 PM
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2. But the Tee Vee Will Say It's All Obama's Fault
and most people watching the Tee Vee will believe it.


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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-11 01:09 AM
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6. To be fair, Fox and friends will say it's Obama's fault
The rest invariably will say it's both sides fault, which is almost as bad.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:36 PM
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3. Our government is already dead. Citizens United killed it.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:43 PM
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4. Actually the corporations don't really need Citizen's United to influence government
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 02:45 PM by andym
Sure it makes it easier for them and reversing this decision could only be helpful to real democracy. But they already have an entire propaganda industry at work in talk radio, newspapers (AP), FOX news and the internet. And free speech protection makes the propaganda industry almost impossible to stop.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:45 PM
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5. They think, but they did not count on things like oh a whole state getting a
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 02:46 PM by nadinbrzezinski
bad case of blue flu

oh and this is why I call them what they are ANARCHISTS.

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