Forgive my ignorance here, but how can this end well for the Democrats in Wisc.?

[jezebel]

I don't know why the people of Wisconsin voted this idiot Republican Governor in, or the Republican congress, but they did.
Walker has said he will not bend, and eventually the Democrats will have to return for other issues right?
Won't that be all the Republicans need to pass his crappy deal?

At best it will wake the people who didn't vote in 2010, and they can change the legislature in 2012, but isn't the Republican Governor and legislature going to get their way? At least for now, in the short term?

[randr]

1. How many of those students do you think will be voting republicant?

[jezebel]

6. Oh I agree. This long term cannot help the Republicans. They have shown themselves to be the greedy

bastards and corporate lovers they are.
But I meant for this issue now, how can the Democrats in Wisconsin win NOW?

[saras]

2. He won't bend but he might break

Bullies ususally fail pretty quickly when they encounter a stronger, more moral force.

Sociopaths, no, they don't give up. But bullies do.

[GSLevel9]

3. you said it...

it's a reality check for 2012 and reminds people that "elections have consequences."

[Fire1]

22. And "not voting" also has consequences. n/t

[HereSince1628]

4. Well, the possibility remains that the bill would be changed

before it gets passed. Hope is essential, the alternative is surrender and certain ruin. Consequently, the odds of this protest working out are mathematically undefined, but seemingly infinite compared to the alternative.

You can prognosticate on that all you want. But so far 75,000 people have shown up in Madison demanding that.
It isn't impossible that some republicans could back down. We can support the Democratic senators so they can stay in Illinois for a long time. And every day keeps the hope alive.

[leftstreet]

5. I don't care how it ends for the Democrats. I care how it ends for the workers

[Iris]

10. +1

[Viking12]

30. Nice.

[truedelphi]

41. Well said. n/t

[tsuki]

7. 8 legislators can be recalled now. The Governor in January, along with

others. It is being organized now.

[DainBramaged]

8. Should we not demonstrate? Stay home, be silent?

UNION UNION UNION UNION UNION UNION

[jezebel]

9. No, and I'm sorry if my post seemed to suggest that. I hope the workers prevail. But with Republican

assholes in charge I guess I'm just wondering if it's possible.

[DainBramaged]

11. It IS possible, and it isn't a dream.

Be well, your curiosity is good.

[Newest Reality]

15. Without the presumption of possiblity

you are dead in the water before you start.

While it may seem naive and optimistic to assume anything is possible, there are many variables here that present a challenge to us all, now.

We have a long, difficult struggle ahead as a people and the possibilities might hing on how much unity and agreement we can garner as we move towards taking action to rectify the gross injustices and flagrant wrong-doing that are being perpetrated by a repugnant and boisterous band of opponents.

When our Forefather's broke with the Crown, how possible that revolution was at the time was not as important as the determination and effort and joint-efforts to accomplish it. The results proved it to be possible.

[Jackpine Radical]

21. It may take us more than 15 minutes.

Whatever action a legislature takes can be repealed by a later legislature.

What Walker has done is, likely, to ensure that for the next 20 years there will be more labor-friendly government in WI.

Only an instant-grat American would think of 2 years (or 4) as "the long run."

We'll survive, and then we'll thrive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Think revolution... we are in that dynamic now

and it will not end well for Walker. He will have to bend. If he does not, this is coming to a state near you. This is about you. Support them.

[sufrommich]

13. We are not "in a revolution dynamic". If we were,

the private sector would be joining in and the demands would be far greater than retaining collective bargaining rights for government employees. Could you please stop being so dramatic?

[leftstreet]

14. +1

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. So this is not the largest labor action in the last generation?

Okie dokie.

Why is it that this is scaring conservadems?

Let me explain this to you, the PRIVATE SECTOR wants those PUBLIC WORKER UNIONS destroyed... got it?

They want to go back to dawn to dusk seven day a week workdays, indentured servitude, no regulation, child labor and yes, slavery... they want CHEAP LABOR. FUCKING UNIONS are in the way. You get it now?

Keep thinking this is nothing if you want... Jeaysus history learnin' is not something some folks do.

[leftstreet]

20. No. The 2006 Workers' Rights marches were

Largest in US history actually

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. So this is nothing, okie dokie

Just the sniffles...

Okie dokie

Is this scaring you too?

By the way, you ONLY know of the 30K in Madison. This is STATE WIDE. Oh and dear it is spreading.

[leftstreet]

26. Didn't say it was 'nothing'

You said it was the largest in recent history. Not true

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. IT is...

but we might disagree...

Whatever... I know this is scaring the conservadems. This the peasants rising is quite revolting.

Oh forgot

:sarcasm:

[leftstreet]

29. There are currently millions of workers in the streets of every major US city??

I didn't realize that

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. We are on day five and yes people are slowly taking to the streets

use the google.

By the way, this is NOT a one day thing... in case you missed it.

This is the real thing. This is what many of us have been waiting for, It is HERE.

Wake up and smell the fucking coffee, tea or whatever you drink.

[leftstreet]

33. So you admit this is not, yet, the largest labor action in a generation

Thank you. I don't like seeing blatant misinformation on DU

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[sufrommich]

It is exactly what you just called it," a labor action".By private

sector I mean those who work in the private sector. CAP LOCKS do not make your point any more realistic. Get back to me when your revolution spreads to non government workers,right now what you've got is government workers demanding a very specific result. If they get that very specific result,then what? Does the "revolution" continue?

What is sad is that you don't seem to recognize the difference between a strike by union workers and general revolution.

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[sufrommich]

40. I spent 33 years in a public union,I spent 12 years on my local's

executive board.Disagreeing with your breathless opinions does not make anybody here a "conservadem". There have been marches on state capitols against attempts to mess with our collective rights for decades,this march in Wisconsin is a huge one,but it's a march just like the countless small ones have been,an attempt to stop specific erosion of union rights, it is not a revolution. I'll ask you again,if the Wisconsin state workers are successful in retaining their rights as a union, do you think they'll stay in the capitol protesting? Or will they go back to work?

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Have a good life

THis is a direct attack on the Wagner Act, you don't get it. The people on the streets do, on the other hand,

Good bye

[pintobean]

23. +1

[DainBramaged]

38. -1

:evilgrin:

[ParkieDem]

44. You're absolutely right.

We are not in "revolution mode" or anything close to it. People are hurting today, but they are not really sympathizing with the protesters in Wisconsin. Comparing him to Hitler or Mubarak doesn't help - hyperbole is becoming the real enemy, not Walker.

The Republicans will have their way - they voted Walker and the GOP in, very recently, and they won't change their mind all that quickly.

Bottom line is that yes, we are in very dire straits in this country. But we are not close to experiencing the level of privation that people in Egypt, Yemen, or in 1930s America experienced. It will take something along those lines in order for us to have real revolution.

[sufrommich]

45. No, Walker is indeed the enemy. Along with the Koch Brothers.

There is a real right wing attempt to destroy unions, the problem is that unions now only make up 12% of the population. We have effectively put ourselves in this position.We need more unionization,not less.

[pacalo]

16. What the governor is demanding is morally unethical of workers, & to have

forcefully tried to ram it through legislation under the guise of an "emergency", refusing to talk with the unions to come to a fair agreement, doesn't bode well for the governor's ethical standing. I don't think he's going to win this one. The people aren't going to agree to working with both hands tied behind their backs -- especially after the governor gave hundreds of millions in tax breaks to corporations (who contributed to his campaign) before declaring that the state was broke. It is the tax cuts that need to be rescinded, to put Wisconsin's budget back in the surplus column.

[spanone]

17. mubarak also said he wouldn't leave (bend)

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. +1000

[Fire1]

24. Ditto!

[PassingFair]

28. The "Democrats" just want to get out ahead of Russ Feingold.

Can't have him waltzing away with a MOVEMENT here, can we?

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[ljm2002]

34. Yes, you're right, whatever are they thinking?

They should just attend their legislative sessions like good obedient soldiers and do their damned jobs.

They should ignore the coordinated attack on public workers and unions that is occurring all over the country right now.

Because as we all know, Republicans and corporations are allowed to do coordinated actions, while Democrats and unions most assuredly are not.

We need to wait and see what happens. After all, the unions aren't quite busted yet. So why are they complaining? They need to wait until the actual union busting is complete. Then we'll know what the Republicans' intentions are and we can fight it then, once we're sure.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

:sarcasm: in case it's needed...

[Tatiana]

35. This movement may lead to a Democratic state Senate and/or Walker's recall.

That would be a significant accomplishment.

[truedelphi]

42. Not a bad thing (or two) to hope for. n/t

[WinkyDink]

39. Ever seen a state shut down, because union members stopped working?

[kentuck]

43. Who sad it was going to end well?

These people are fighting for their lives. They do not wish to surrender to such tactics. It is about standing up with courage. It is only a battle - it is not the war.