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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:05 AM Original message |
Does anybody think the NFL lockout is timed to go along with this nationwide anti-labor movement ? |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. Isn't public opinion with the players and not the owners on this? |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yes, I think it's backfiring. But the owners do have supporters among more conservative types. |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Thanks, Im not really paying much attention to it now. But I honestly dont think... |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. They don't stand to lose much from a lockout, and would gain in the long run. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. I hadn't really thought about the OP's point, but............. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Owners have already overplayed their hand |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I think Jerry Richardson thought by attacking Peyton Manning, he'd score some points. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. Let go of the RW framing--labor is labor, management is management. |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I agree. I think that's what they're trying to do with this--reframe the issue politically. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Could be--so we just push back harder. The AFL-CIO is doing quite |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
3. Ummmm ... no. |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Care to explain why it's so obvious? I'm not saying I'm right, I just wanna hear why ... |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
5. Nope, just a coincidence |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. agreed |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
7. No, they are at the end of their most recent CBA |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. No, they weren't at the end of it. Owners voted to vacate it two years early. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
13. No. The owners opted out of the CBA a long time ago. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
14. They set the agreement up in 1993 and timed it to expire now to help the GOP destroy unions? |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. No, they voted to end it early. Maybe it wasn't that well coordinated, but they knew they could push |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. If someone feels a comment is ridiculous, why waste time debating it or |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. RE: your last paragraph unfortunately, for some here, yes............. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Never underestimate the cleverness of the Republicans. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. No... |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Thanks for the info, didn't realize it was mid 2008. |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
19. It is, and the players and all union members should try to take advantage of it. |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I do think that if people rally around the players, it will have a positive impact on all labor |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. It's up to the players to get the message out. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
21. if people aren't pre-occupied with football... |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. That's why I think that understanding the labor/mgmt relationship through the NFL is the best hope |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. they are messing with a blue collar institution... |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I agree. |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I doubt it, but one can hope. |
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dembotoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
27. does seem that way doesn't it. wondered it myself |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
29. not sure it's timed |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. This is exactly what I think. Would not be surprised if the Koch bros knew some owners. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. Of course it is -- along with the St. Louis Cardinals manager suggesting |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I had that thought for a split second. Probably just noticing everything anti-union that's out there |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'd love to see sports teams go the way of the Packers... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
39. No |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. Coincidence. The current agreement was going to be negoitated this year anyway |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. No, the owners voted to break the agreement early. Hence my questions about timing. |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Um, they voted a long time ago (relatively speaking) to opt out of the CBA, as was negotiated |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Maybe the push was timed to go along w/ the NFL owners' push |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. It is a coincidence. It would have to have been planned before the midterm elections |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
41. It. Won't. Last. |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
46. Did I mention that Roger Goodell's wife is a FOX news reporter? |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-17-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. Picket Lines are impressive with Pro Defensive Linemen up front ! |
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