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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:22 PM Original message |
I'm losing faith in our principles. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Congratulations! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Great minds... |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. maybe someone could raise taxes? |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. It's impossible to do that today and get away with it. Besides, we shouldn't have to raise them. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Obama got elected promising to raise taxes on the rich. nt |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Promises do not equate to reality. We'll have to keep the WH and regain the House in 2012 to do it. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. My point is that raising taxes on the rich is acceptable to the |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. The top tax rate is exactly one-half of what it was forty years ago |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. We could always print more money, inflation be damned. (sarcasm) nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. The alternative to a reasonable tax structure is borrowing from our children |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Not at all. Even if we could slash the DoD by 70% and raise top-tier taxes by a fair amount... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. The point is to not make it worse |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. You're partially right. We did have a budgegt surplus, but we never paid down the debt. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. how did Clinton do it? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Yeah, we shouldn't HAVE to raise them because they never should have been lowered. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. then people like me and you should say, not only raise the wealthy to old taxes, i will pay too |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. I agree!!!!! I want to see the "Defense" budget cut by at least 50%, the Drug War ended, |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. That would be a start. We can't be too targeted though. Trim the fat across all departments. nt |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Can't be too targeted? |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I was referring to the extraneous layers of bureacracy and redundant agencies across department. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Yes, see Warren's graph below. |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Again, we need the WH and Congress in 2012 or write-off the entire election to do that. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Obviously our current president is intent on carrying out the right-wing wishes of tax cuts. |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. As said elsewhere, there's no pain for the rich and we're still building next-gen aircraft carriers. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. "unprecedented level of courage and balls" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 06:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
55. you just doubled down on your Republican talking points |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Can't be too targeted? We spend more than every other major country COMBINED on defense. |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Well said. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Illustrated with a graph... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
65. QED |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
63. I don't see any reason we can't be extremely targetted. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. I can't find "spend obscenely" in our principles |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. Not all "government programs" are created equal. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. Are you losing faith in your principles? Or in our leadership's willingness to apply them? |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. Why no eliminate Homelanmd security and cut 10% from the Defense budget? |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
14. Huh? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
16. Economics show us that in a recession, when business and individuals can not spend... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. Keynsian economic theory was apparently killed |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Perhaps, but Japanese and other states used it to rescue the Tiger Economies... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 06:53 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Yes, I agree n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
19. Shh, there is this thing called taxes |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. I'm well aware that high-bracket taxes are at an all time low. But you're framing things oddly. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. When schools need to tell families |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
23. Bullshit! What we can't keep adding are tax cuts for the rich. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
29. Necessary government cuts until we can er, drown it in the bathtub? nt |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. you seem to be confused |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I mostly agree with you and like your analogy, but I'm disheartened by how slow the recovery is. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Wall Street's miraculous recovery... |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. What do you have in mind for a Main Street bail-out? nt |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Where do you read that most of the funds were unused? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 07:02 AM Response to Reply #35 |
56. tripled down on yet another Republican talking point (stimulus not spent) |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
32. Why do you see drones and war and discrimination as good |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
34. I think you took a wrong turn. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
36. Most social welfare programs have been cut to the bone, |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
39. Luckily for you, our democrat turned republican potus is doing exactly that. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. We could end a few wars and cut the military budget. But the big corps would hate that. |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I'll have no sympathy for Lockheed or other defense companies when they have no wars to supply. nt |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. I don't think that our principles are the real problem. It's our |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm losing faith in President Obama's principles |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Not at all, I've always seen myself as an independent progressive (not vice versa!) nt |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. I don't see a single progressive position in any of your posts in this thread |
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LLStarks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I thought had heard it from the NYT, I'm probably mistaken. I should just stick with Kos. nt |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Not surprised you don't know where it came from --you barely remember anything substantive about it |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
57. "Democracts can't keep adding programs and expect the deficit to disappear." |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
59. Maybe because our principals are failing us. |
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