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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 07:59 AM Original message |
When did people begin to think their employment is a personal possession |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. Since I own my own business...... |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That's different, I'm more talking about if your employees felt jobs were their personal |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. LOL! That's one of the toughest things about managing people |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
66. I would say it is better for employees to see their labor as their possession... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Can you be more specific? |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. He will not be specific with you. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. ROFL! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. True. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. oh shit. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. But then you'd see the fisherman... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. January 6, 1941 - Read FDR's 4-Freedoms and later the UN Declaration of Human Rights: |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. When did people begin to think of productive capital as a personal possession? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. +1 . . . .n/t |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. I think things like wars for Capitalism--Korea and Vietnam for example |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. Ding Ding Ding... Exactly right |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. when did the rich think it was ok to screw over their country in pursuit of more lucre? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
8. you hear people say, "you think the world owes you a living"? but actually, |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. I think it's more that The World, being more than capable of providing me with a living |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. that too. my thought was in the state of nature, nature provides me a |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Elegantly put! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
9. Probably after primitive accumulation pushed people off of producing their own subsistence |
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XanaDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. +1 |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
57. Perfect response... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
10. The purpose of any countries economic system is to provide jobs for it's populace. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. We've moved past countries in terms of economic thought. The concept of |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. So nationalized roads, military, etc are bad? nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I genuinely don't understand your distinction |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Pretending that the worlds economy was not global when we dumped Chinese tea into the Boston Harbour |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I really believe that you think that, but I don't |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Just one minor thing: most countries will hire their own citizens a heckuva |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
35. I don't engage in economic thought with you. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. ZING! |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
60. Saruman.... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. I thought food and some minimal level of creature comfort |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
42. I don't think it's necessarily "jobs" but provide for their wellbeing. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
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retread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
17. Indentured have NO rights of ownership? n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
20. Well, Tex, I think the history in some States shows the opposite |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
23. Perhaps when slavery and indentured servitude were abolished? |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
24. When employers started telling them "That's your job" |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
26. Yet no one complains when employees are so invested in the company's success |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
27. This started ages ago with capital deciding they own all people and their labor. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
29. When did employers begin to think 50-90% of my productivity was their personal possession? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. When you didn't kill them for appropriating that much. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
65. Oddly, murder was low on my list. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 06:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. That's the kind of priorities that make you lose the class struggle. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Prove that they do. |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
32. When did corporations begin to think that our air, our water, all of our |
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nessa (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
33. How is it not your personal possession? |
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Disintermedia8 (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
34. Well that settles it. I can now make it official. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
36. When it became necessary to their survival. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
43. I figure for as long as people have a) been employed |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
44. Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. The need to have a job and the terror at not having one |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
46. My skills that I trade for pay are my possession, and have been since... |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
47. You can't explain that! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. hahahahahahahahaha!!. . . .n/t |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
49. IT'S THE RB TEXLA SHOW! |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. "Foreigner, I do not do business with you . . ." |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
50. Sit down by me at the bar and I'll explain it. ;) nt |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. You do the same work for youself, or for any employer... and that determines your rights? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
54. I think we can safely say "August 25, 2003" |
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sibelian (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
55. Since the beginning of the concept of "employment". |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
63. When did people think they can 'own' real estate stolen from others? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
64. FOREIGNER!!! I refuse to do business with you!!! |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-14-11 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
67. RB, Me thinks just maybe...... |
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NuclearDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-15-11 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
69. When I gave three years of my life and risked my own personal safety |
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