Have we no decency? Do we care so little for justice?

[Atticus]

It is nothing short of amazing that the discussion of our nation's financial distress has abandoned any thought of increasing our revenue and has focused exclusively on which social welfare programs can be eliminated and which need only be gutted, for now.

If we had integrity and courage which, of course, we do not, we would demand that any cuts in social programs be matched, dollar for dollar, by tax increases on corporations and the very wealthy. That meets any reasonable definition of "fair" and would "spread the sacrifice" instead of merely spreading the wealth.

But, no, we will see our neighbors homeless and our friends cold, sick, hungry and uneducated before we will risk being called "partisan" or "uncivil".

When will we decide that we, too, have had enough and put aside both civility and the law to take our case to the streets?

The answer, I fear, is "never".

[ixion]

1. No and Yes.

Sadly. :(

[hfojvt]

4. shouldn't that be "YES" and yes?

Yes, we have no decency.

[lib2DaBone]

2. You have touched on the very essense of life in America....

.. Cut heating assistance to the seniors.. make school kids starve..

Fiscal austerity for the working poor.. but no restraints for the Military or the Wall Street Banksters.

How long can this country continue on this path? Outsourcing jobs to China...Foreign aid to countries who hate us... what's the use?

[demigoddess]

8. we do this because

we are the greatest country in the world.:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[hfojvt]

3. the time to do that though was back in December

Obama chose to wave the white flag instead of fighting http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/138

THIS, though, is why I was so upset about the surrender in December, because I knew this was coming.

[RandomThoughts]

5. Not sure about that.

And you are not in his position, the point is we the people have to do this.

We can't expect one person to solve everything.

You want him to do it for you, he is a person like you, just like congress people.

The populations have to do this, the populations outnumber them, they need a hierarchy where you expect the leaders to do it, to keep it from getting done, then they can pressure a few people.


I like this clip
Green Lantern Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTiRnqnvDs

(there are many rings, and it can be seen to be about all the people, a few ways to see that clip, but can you see it as everyone has to be part of some corrections, I disagree with the 'war' concept.)

I know people say what I do is spin a clip to something else, what I am saying is the clip is spin, and I try to unwind it. Although find your own way to see it, but know that most of it starts as spin. So don't believe it just because it seems to say something some way.

Yea it is like spin, but by thinking and choosing how to see something, don't let me, or anyone spin something another way they can not explain, and think if it feels and makes sense.

No spin is better, but when everything has spin, people think of that as spin also. Don't let something spin you I guess is what I am saying.

[hfojvt]

9. can we expect one person to do the job we elected him to do?

I think I have done enough http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=153x9552

and in fact am even owed some money for Mt. Dew.

[RandomThoughts]

10. You could be due some money.

Although that would be a different issue.

But you make the point that people try, and things don't always change for the better.

If they have not changed for the better, enough is not done. I understand 'trying' but that does not change that things need to be corrected.

I also understand 'what more could I do' and that is why it is not a matter of blaming people.

And I understand that some think it is about how much exposure you can buy.

And some think it is about things like media control.



Here is the simple fact, things should change, and I should have beer and travel money and many experiences. Weather that is possible or not does not matter, it is not about that, it is about what should be, and if things are not how they should be then it would not matter, and that is why queen broke (and bounced back many times)

It does not matter what 'is' it matters what should be, and that should be what is. Since that is correct, and if what is correct does not occur, then there is no reason for anything to exist.

'Many have tried' and there is no blame there, but some use 'I tried' to accept what should not be.


And if someone tries me as in 'courtroom' then that court room would have to be corrupt and removed if it did not correct to what should be.

[Bonhomme Richard]

6. Hey! I got mine...............that is if........

I can keep my company going and if the housing market doesn't drop much further destroying a property investment that I planned to use the income from to retire..seeing that I never worked for a company that provided a pension, or that social security will be there, or that my wife doesn't lose her health coverage for the two of us, or that I don't get sick.
Other than that...I got mine.

[bluestate10]

13. I must say that I have more money now than before the tax agreement

that was reached in December. I am giving the extra money to democratic political groups and donating to food banks (as normal). But your point is well taken, I have mine and even if setbacks happen, I don't see my financial position changing. The issue that gets my goat is that the poor and workers that set at the bottom of the economy don't care enough to vote in large numbers and make their voices heard. When the poor vote in large numbers, politicians have something to fear from the poor. When the poor don't vote, they are unseen, except and hot button issues targets of the right.

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[bluestate10]

11. Voting counts.

The people that are going to be impacted by cuts that republican propose don't vote in numbers that are representative of their percentage of populations. So who do you think will suffer first under any plan? One only need look at midterms for confirmation of failure of poor people in urban areas to turn the result of elections by voting. So, now we have a bunch of extreme right morons who have power and a President who has to some how figure out how to keep them from gutting every social program in existence. While poor people are not to blame for being poor, many are at fault from not voting on election day and adding their votes to those of forward thinking middle class and wealthy people to overcome the votes of reactionary elements in the electorate. Community activists that work directly with the poor must spend time over the next year and a half to educate the poor on why them must vote in large numbers. The election of 2012 is going to be a battleground election, poor voters must show up in enormous numbers to help defeat and push back the right-wing tide that will overtake the nation if the poor as a group continue to not vote.

[Fire1]

12. That's the way I see it, Atticus. "Nevah" n/t