Cut taxes for the rich, and pay for it by cutting heating assistance to the poor? Are you serious?

[garybeck]

Is this a dream nightmare? Is this reality? Someone pinch me? Our democratic President that we fought hard to get elected, a couple weeks ago extended tax cuts for the rich and today he wants to CUT HEATING ASSISTANCE TO THE POOR?

This is Bass Ackwards! This is like stealing from the poor and giving it to the rich. This is what Republican Presidents are supposed to do.

WTF?

And they want us to come out and fight for them again a year from now? What are they thinking?

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President Obama’s proposed 2012 budget will cut several billion dollars from the government’s energy assistance fund for poor people, officials briefed on the subject told National Journal.... It's the biggest domestic spending cut disclosed so far
http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/exclusive-obama-to-cut-energy-assistance-for-the-poor-20110209

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reminder: You can tell Obama what you think about this bass ackwards policy here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

[somone]

1. Poor people are not his base

They're in the way and worth nothing to him.

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[Horse with no Name]

48. I held my nose and did it--against my better judgment

because his supporters convinced me that the alternative would be worse.
Well--I wish someone could tell me what is worse than poor people losing their funding and end up freezing to death while rich people spend their tax cuts buy another vacation home?
Sorry--it is NOT a mistake I will make again. Up to the point that I cast my vote for obama, I never voted for a republican--and I am not about to start now.

[Orsino]

69. What's worse than a bunch of poor people seeing their funding cut?

Seeing even more poor people faced with even bigger cuts.

Seriously, tipping any election GOPward is not advisable. I understand not wanting to support our president (and am plenty conflicted myself), but I can't condone it. Not now, not seeing the timid, prudish, stupid field of likely Republican candidates.

I do hope you eventually find a good use for your vote. (edit: and that I can scrape up some more real justification for the way I think I have to vote)

[jtuck004]

125. That is the reasoning they depend on to create policies that

hurt the most vulnerable while following a different agenda than I can support.

On tv we are seeing what happens when such logic is defied. Absolutely some people (who we may call courageous now, but in fact may just have been alone) are terribly hurt, and even killed. And this may even result in more people being hurt as a only a slightly different dictator may assume power. But the outcome is later, and you cannot resist the will of the people forever...

Even here, where our people used genocide to settle this land, the government told the people that they couldn't fend for themselves, that conditions would be worse, and many people died in the struggle. Yet what rose out of it was a more democratic way of life.

And, frankly, if the votes and policies of the current officials require a few of us have to not get our way of having the word Democrat on the door of the White House for 4 or 8 years, to help teach them that their agenda should be ours and not that of the conservatives, then maybe that is the price that has to be paid.

I am not an apologist for the democrats in office, nor do I work for them. I have specific issues that they damn well will address, including a jobs program and standing up for the most vulnerable. When they don't, no fear-mongering "they is gonna get you if you don't watch out" theory of voting for anyone is ever going to convince me to put an X in the box with the name of people who threw away 30 million underemployed people while funneling money to banks that paid themselves record bonuses in 2010, by an administration that cut funding to prevent people from freezing or burning to death in their homes.

[Orsino]

153. It's sad that Dems only have to be a little less sucky than the GOP to get our votes.

More and more, I see them trying to trim that margin as closely as they can.

It's 'cause mostly the same money is buying both parties.

[defendandprotect]

176. Agree... but we need a positive plan ...

doing this won't do it --

And, frankly, if the votes and policies of the current officials require a few of us have to not get our way of having the word Democrat on the door of the White House for 4 or 8 years, to help teach them that their agenda should be ours and not that of the conservatives, then maybe that is the price that has to be paid.

What we need to do is round up "democrats" who can run on the Dem ticket who aren't

pre-bought and pre-bribed by corporate money. DRAFT someone like Sen. Bernie Sanders

who could run on a Dem ticket.

Our problems aren't just with Obama -- it's with all those in Dem party right now who

are pushing a corporate-agenda.

[jtuck004]

194. Absolutely

My problems aren't with the people, it is with the policies, so if we could find people who
want to pursue the world Bernie Sanders would build, I would be right there with them.

I am not so sure that they could work within the existing parties. It is amazing how that kind of
money and support can change people's minds.

And if they run as a third-party populist, it could lose the election for both. But I am not
so sure that is a bad thing. People keep asking what would get people into the streets. Maybe
another 8 years of a Republican rule? Then we could ask "Are your lives better than they
were 8 years ago, or is it time to turn the lights out on the policies of the coporate hacks?".

[defendandprotect]

206. Lots of dissatisfaction ....

with Obama and party, but we rarely get to talking about what actually to

do about it --


I am not so sure that they could work within the existing parties. It is amazing how that kind of
money and support can change people's minds.

Agree -- and so many of them now are millionaires and multi-millionaires that basically they're

simply protecting their own interests!

And if they run as a third-party populist, it could lose the election for both. But I am not
so sure that is a bad thing. People keep asking what would get people into the streets. Maybe
another 8 years of a Republican rule? Then we could ask "Are your lives better than they
were 8 years ago, or is it time to turn the lights out on the policies of the coporate hacks?".

Right -- we still have computer voting -- and we still don't have IRV - Instant Runoff Voting.

And you're saying what Nader said long, long time ago about it perhaps not being such a bad

thing for public to see what Repugs would actually do. But -- lots of suffering for a lot of

people.

Good thing about Bernie is that he not only could run on Dem ticket -- he would attract liberals

from other liberal parties.

But -- we do have to get rid of these computers!

[bobbolink]

219. Thank you! I appreciate your words more than you know!

However, it is more than voting... we poor folk are depending on all of you now to Walk Like Egyptians!

We need you!

[paparush]

126. Answer (for a politician): Rich people not donating loads of $$$

That's worse.

To a politician.

[defendandprotect]

173. "Lesser of evil" voting is still a vote for evil ... If we want CHANGE

we have to make it --

Let's vote for a fantastic candidate we can all back -- Sen. Bernie Sanders --

who can run on a Dem ticket!!


Let's also get a replacement for VP Biden who sought to defend Mubarak by stating

he wasn't "a dictator"-! Biden's also been calling for more than a year now for

Israel to attack Iran -- saying that "Israel would be justified in attacking Iran" -- !!


Biden's also the guy who permitted the unbelieve GOP-free for all and witch-hunt

at the Clarence Thomas hearings and made sure Congress and the orld didn't find out

what a huge pervert he is!


Let's also make sure we're not supporting people simply because they have a "D"

after their name -- let's make sure they actually support democratic ideals like

"no torture" and "no wiretapping" -- and the Democratic Platofr -- and that we

don't put any more Obama's in office!



:nuke:

[cdcfbw1]

175. Seeing even more....

I'm sorry but seeing this s.o.b. try to out-republican the republicans is just to much! I think every dem. in the country needs to march on Washington to the white house and give him a good scare!! Americans need to take some lessons from the Egyptians!!

[defendandprotect]

177. Scare Obama? He's got the backing of elites, Wall Street -

Big Pharma and the private H/C Industry!

[bobbolink]

52. Remember that when you want our votes in 2012

[KillCapitalism]

78. His base is the same as Bush's.

The haves and the have mores.

[jtown1123]

110. The thing is. Bush's base despises him not matter how many

corporate asses he kisses. My grandpa (a Wall St. enthusiast) still thinks Obama's socialist policies are ruining this country despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[IamK]

181. agreed... a few hundred poor people freezing to death is ok if we win in 2012....

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. It could not be more wrong.

I wish I could sit down with him and demand to know just what led him to this awful decision.

I am outraged.

My support for him diminishes daily.

[Amonester]

6. corpoRate advisor$

that's 'what' led (and lead)

[MasonJar]

120. He chose them.

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[WCGreen]

3. This spells the end of my defending president Obama..

[asthmaticeog]

155. Hey, WCGreen.

I've been done with defending the backstabber for months now. Which would be why you haven't seen me on this board in awhile - most of what I have to say about the President is now tombstone-able on DU.

Nice to "see" you, though. Hope you've been doing OK.

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[The Doctor.]

7. I'm seriously considering just letting the Republicans have the country.

Let them totally destroy it so we can have a big bonfire and start over.

Unfortunately, that's way too much damage and suffering.

[rucky]

95. the thought crosses my mind sometimes

until I think about who's in the best position to fill the vacuum they'd create.

[bobbolink]

A lot of us have had that thought. I'd like to divide the country in half, but REAL liberals in the

liberal side, not DINOs, and in 20 years, the liberal side will be living well, and the RWers will be begging to be let back in.

[The Doctor.]

104. Unfortunately, their foreign policy doesn't work that way.

They'd blame the 'Liberal half' for their situation and start a war. They are the mindset of irresponsible, belligerent children. They'd use the nukes.

[BreweryYardRat]

233. Uh, liberals who are stuck in red states due to poverty would be screwed if that happened.

The Repugs would start committing ideologically-based genocide about 5 minutes after the partition.

[bobbolink]

101. Dupe

.

[MedicalAdmin]

111. It's gonna happen whether we help of not.

Capitalism in it's current corporate fascist form is going to do the job no matter what we say. The only questions are what will be left of the scraps that were the United Empire of America and who will pick them up.

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[readmoreoften]

171. Apparently you did when you voted for Obama.

Who but a "Republican" could want to begin the process of dismantling education and social security, cut programs to the poor, and expand the wars deep into Pakistan and Yemen? A Republican.

[The Doctor.]

229. That statement is devoid of reason.

Should I have voted for the Libertarian candidate? The Green candidate? McCain?

I would have loved to get Kucinich, but in case you didn't notice, he wasn't allowed to run for President.

There is much you have apparently not figured out yet.

[Trajan]

8. Not surprisingly .... Quite a few DUers have his back on this ...

Lots of platitudes .. Claims of deception ....

On the other hand: I believe John Kerry smells this stinker a mile away ...

I have been a supporter .... But I am getting sick of this shit ....

It is going to take a COMPLETE reversal .... Aye, an utter retrenchment to 1929 to wake people the fuck up ...

Dont worry ... The retrenchment began 30 years ago and is in full swing .... I pity my kids ...

Little did I know my own party would join in the orgy of money lust ....

[ProSense]

14. The report isn't confirmed, and

the budget hasn't been released. Haven't seen anyone agreeing with the cuts. If people are giving the President the benefit of the doubt, it maybe that not everyone believes that disagreeing with him on an issue is justification for despising him or withdrawing support. Some of the comments are nasty.

[Forkboy]

22. "Quite a few DUers have his back on this"

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[bobbolink]

76. Why do they hate us?

:pals:

[eridani]

190. Because old ladies (likely with osteoporosis) make seriousl crappy soldiers n/t

[TK421]

138. so much so that they're in front of him n/t

[bobbolink]

217. Sadly, that is an accurate assessment.

[Divernan]

36. New York TimesConfirms: Obama proposes 50% cut to LIHEAP

NEW YORK TIMES CONFIRMS: OBAMA PROPOSES CUTTING LIHEAP BY 50% Updated at 5:30 AM

Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 04:01 AM by Divernan
Oh, that pesky New York Times - quoting Obama's administration officials again!

THIS CUT IS WHAT OBAMA WANTS!

THIS IS WHAT HE AND HIS ADMINISTRATION ARE PROPOSING!

Who dares deny this now? Now the apologists will doubtless switch their argument to defending the proposed cut.

What will their next polemic be? Let me guess. "Well, they were all going to die sometime, and freezing overnight is better than prolonged cancer." Or, "Hey, this is a two-fer. Save money on LIHEAP and clear the roles of the most impoverished and fragile on Medicaid." Just a bunch of heartless Malthusians excited about reducing the surplus population!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/us/politics/10congres...

"But Republicans have succeeded in shifting the focus to budget cutting so sufficiently that the White House will propose an array of cuts in the budget for next year that Mr. Obama sends to Capitol Hill on Monday.

Administration officials confirmed on Wednesday that the budget would propose to cut in half, to nearly $2.6 billion in fiscal year 2012, a federal program that subsidizes energy costs for low-income households.

The big reduction for the popular Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program immediately drew protests from lawmakers and antipoverty groups, as have several other cuts the administration has previewed for community service and environmental programs."

[WinkyDink]

65. "heartless Malthusians": I have said for a while that Obama is a cold, heartless bureaucrat. He's

for "efficiency."

I KNEW this, as opposed to sensed it, when he griped that too many asthmatic children go to emergency wards.

[Hello_Kitty]

92. WTF?? He really said that?

:wow:

[WinkyDink]

147. YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbpWonUzlrc

[Bluebear]

118. Cold fish.

I thought that during the campaign actually, even pre-Donny McClurkin!

[Ilsa]

154. He's right: there are too many kids that get sick with asthma and

End up in ERs. They don't have a choice when their asthma is uncontrolled. I don't think he was griping that they are there, but that they aren't getting the preventative medicine to prevent severe attacks or treat the attacks so they don't end up needing an ambulance. I've witnessed this myself as a school nurse. A lot of these ER trips can be prevented if people have access to healthcare and medications.

He's wrong about cutting LIHEAP, though.

[WinkyDink]

159. Did you watch theYouTube? He mentioned "taking up beds." He nonchalantly (is he a doctor?!)

mentioned "inhalators" and "breathalyzers" (not "inhalors").

[Ilsa]

216. Yes, I did watch it. I'm a nurse and I understand what he clumsily said.

He didn't say they didn't need treatment or shouldn't be treated.

I've had to send kids to the ER, unfortunately. They had asthma, they knew they had asthma, but they weren't getting treatment for it. They got sick and the only thing to do was get them emergency treatment before they go into status. Those kids were, in fact, taking up a bed for someone else who also needed treatment. I'm not saying they were no less deserving of that bed, but stating a fact that people take up beds for emergencies that can easily be prevented with access to decent health care.

"Taking up a bed" is the expression used, whether you like it or not, for a situation that could have been avoided. I heard no malice in his voice, just a statement of fact and he's right.

Do I like everything he's doing? Hell no. But I'm not going to bash him over that.

[Hello_Kitty]

91. Oh, but it's not REALLY a cut! It's just putting funding back to 2008 levels!

Shut up, paupers, and be grateful for the extra warmth you got in 2009 and 2010!

[bobbolink]

103. You have the script absolutely correct.

BUT, that won't stop the vilifying of poor people who don't vote for more of the same in 2012.

"Whiners! You didn't get your pony! Suck it up, you fuckig retards!"

All heart.....

[Duer 157099]

209. No shit. If people were *really* resourceful, they'd have found a way to

save all that heat from 2009 and 2010 for the future when they really needed it.

:sarcasm:

[femrap]

129. SS is next....as well as

Medicare. The Boomers won't take this crap. They protested in the '60 and '70's.

Just cruel. I try to live in 64 to 66 degrees...with toe warmers, boots and a scarf over my head and around my neck...and a thick jacket. What Obama doesn't realize (since he grew up in Hawaii) is that many of the places that people live (esp. apartments) HAVE NO DAMN INSULATION. So all your heat goes right out the ceiling.

In Ohio...apartments are NOT required to even 'wrap' the building with Tyvek. All the warm/cool air just goes right out the windows and ceilings.

And he talks about being 'Green.' Shit.

And does he realize how harmful breathing cold air is on the lungs??? I think he does....he just wants us all to die....starve or freeze. I don't think he cares which one.

Peace Prize Winner....:puke:

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[Le Taz Hot]

213. Guaranteed.

Us and the Egyptians may have to show the youngins how it's done.

[dkf]

9. He couldn't get the tax cuts renewed without those cuts for the rich.

Would you have preferred that instead?

[garybeck]

10. oh please....

i'm so sick of hearing "he couldn't get __________ if he didn't sell out." It started with the public option and it's repeated over and over again.

at some point you have to take a stand for what is right. if the republicans would have blocked it, let them.

in the case of the tax cuts for the rich, which you are saying is an excuse to extend any tax cuts for the middle class, I CALL BULLSHIT. What they should have done is put up a bill to end the tax cuts for the rich and extend them for the middle class, and LET THE REPUBLICANS VOTE AGAINST IT. That's the game he hasn't figured out yet. He has to stand up for what is right and let the Republicans burn themselves by voting against a tax cut for the middle class. It's not that difficult.

but as long as people are buying into these "excuses" he's going to keep doing what he's been doing.

[dkf]

15. They had that vote. You don't even know about it because no one cared.

[Lasher]

144. Pardon me, but you're not the only person who knows or cares about the Senate votes.

A meaningless show for the gullible, on the way to the obvious goal.

[Myrina]

131. Amen

:applause:

[KoKo]

178. Well Said!

[leftstreet]

12. I'd gladly pay more taxes to help an impoverished person have heat

Would you?

But I wouldn't gladly pay more taxes to help a rich person buy a yacht.

Would you?

[dkf]

16. We should have let all the tax cuts expire.

We should have raised taxes on the rich and the middle class too.

But I really don't think it was possible to just raise taxes on the rich. It was all or nothing in my mind.

[Beavker]

121. Is there a thread or Poll on this?

I love me my tax cuts, but I know other folks like you that would have taken one for the team, and let their breaks go in order to get these rich bastards to lose theirs. I know it's a tough political sell, but I think that many Progressives would go for it if we knew the Koch's were going to fork it over.

[Lasher]

183. Yes, we should have let all the Bush tax cuts expire.

Every single part of them.

[Bluebear]

13. He couldn't get this if he didn't do that. What a tired old song already. nt

[dkf]

17. It was the reality of the situation.

I'm tired of reality too. It's a bummer Obama can't be a dictator.

[Bluebear]

21. Yes, not a dictator, no magic wand, get a new hymnal. nt

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[Bluebear]

26. how you feeling?

:hug:

[Forkboy]

29. I feel like kicking ass and chewing bubble gum

And there ain't no more bubble gum. :)

[dionysus]

73. you're aware Duke Nukem Forever is coming out right.

[Forkboy]

105. Yeah, I just saw thew trailer last week.

:)

[dionysus]

109. i was in high school when it was *supposed* to come out, 14 years ago

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

115. When I clicked on the trailer I was expecting it to be a joke.

I didn't think there was an actual game there, but there was, much to my shock. I haven't played any FPS games in awhile, but I might come out of retirement for this one, just for the shits and giggles it's sure to provide. :)

[dionysus]

146. we used to bring our computers to this guys house, and set up a lan, on our 486s,

with the coaxial network cards and terminators, to play doom 2, dkue nukem 3d.
ah memories....

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[TBF]

43. False choices. What we need is a progressive president who will actually

stand up for what he believes in and willing to tell the repubs to stick it. Do you think Reagan wandered around worrying about bi-partisanship? George Bush (either)? No, they passed their flippin lower capital gains taxes and got the hell out. They worked for their party. Unfortunately it looks like Obama works for their party too.

[bobbolink]

63. Obama *IS* standing up for what he believes in.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

223. In which case he is not a progressive president.

I genuinely don't know whether Obama is a progressive who is compromising, or a centrist who is standing up for what he believes in.

But given that the policies he is putting through are, in many cases, deeply unprogressive, it's self-evident that he's not a progressive who is standing up for what he believes in.

[bobbolink]

227. He never was. Many of us saw that back in '04.

He did a great job of having people project onto him whatever they wanted to project.

It was a national Rohrshock test.

[mmonk]

44. Easy to make a claim about something that never occurred.

Hard to prove a negative. I happen to think the opposite, especially since we had the majority when the vote was up for consideration. Would I have preferred reinstating enough taxation to stem the tide? As someone who's learned expertise was in the field of economics, the answer is yes.

[polmaven]

47. Apparently many would have also preferred

that unemployment benefits had not been extended as well. Joe Kennedy is now advertising his program for getting heat to the poor, and here in MA, the legislature has increased heating aid. There are ways to make up a lot of this...if it is actually true ( I don't always trust the major newspapers). While it would not be among my top choices, the UI benefits, which would have left millions more with no income AT ALL would have been much worse!

[Dawgs]

50. How do you know? Was there any indication that he fought to end them, or...

Did he give in from the start?

[EOTE]

55. Are you seriously defending this?

Are you not exhausted with the contortions you must take to defend this shit? Yes, I'd FAR prefer that the tax cut not be renewed, especially if it meant that the tax levels for the wealthiest returned to more reasonable levels. The government is in such horrific shape due to those tax cuts and now we have people like Obama and you suggesting unconscionable things because of them. Many, many people are going to die because of this. I hope you sleep well at night.

[Bluebear]

77. You're shocked?

Don't be.

[Autumn]

119. My taxes went up, and I'm on a pension .You didn't ask me

but I'm willing to say I would have preferred that instead. Why should yours or the middle class be cut and taxes raised on the poor?

[Enthusiast]

149. Yes nt

[RandomThoughts]

11. Not sure if it is made up news.

Or terrible policy.

Although I don't have beer and travel money correction, so I agree things are not going the right way.

[Bluebear]

19. I don't think John Kerry would write Obama over made up news, unfortunately.

[Luminous Animal]

18. It's a feint. Create outrage over the heating cuts, take them off the table, but leave all the

other cuts that affect the poor and working class on the table.

[druidity33]

38. Ding, ding, ding! Winner! nt.

[Scruffy1]

142. Unfortunately true-we get sucks a little less.

The poor get poorer-the rich get richer and America has become a rich nation full of poor people. Fuck it. There must be some way way out of here said the joker to the thief. I no longer have any hope for the Deomcratic Party when sthe richest man in the senate is one of the few champions of the poor.

[dreamnightwind]

205. Quit listening to that boomer music

it puts dangerous ideas like yours in people's heads.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

20. Here is the message I sent to Obama from your link:

I understand that you are cutting the heating assistance for the poor while you're allowing the top 1% wage earners in this country to have their taxes cut. I find both these policies reprehensible in the extreme. I cannot understand why you would take such un-Democratic stands. These moves I might expect from a Republican, but from you? This is not the change I voted for.

[Ghost Dog]

24. Succinct and to the point.

Thank you.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

25. I felt it was certainly appropriate.

I appreciate your comment...

I did check yes to have them respond. I'll see if they do, but I'm not holding my breath...

[pacalo]

37. I sent one, too, Peggy...

The media is reporting that President Obama is planning to make cuts to the energy assistance program which provides affordable heat to low-income families.

At a time when the government's policy is to conduct two wars, costing trillions of dollars we can't afford, I find that putting all the sacrifice on the backs of the poorer citizens to be unconscionable. Particularly disturbing is these cuts follow your recent gift of tax cuts to the super wealthy who aren't having to sacrifice at all.

Stop the wars. We can't afford them.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

58. Well done, my dear pacalo!

You think maybe he'll hear us?

Nah.

I'm beginning to think he never had our ear...

[pacalo]

59. The main thing is that we can feel satisfied that we spoke up.

I liked your letter, too, dear Peggy. I tend to get wordy when I'm angry. :)

[CaliforniaPeggy]

61. I probably would have said more, but there's a word limit.

I wanted what I said to have some impact.

[bobbolink]

74. Thank you, pacalo!

:yourock:

[pacalo]

161. You're most welcome, bobolink! We're all in this together, dear heart.

[bobbolink]

218. That is the most precious concept... please keep reminding me.

Its lonely out on this limb.....

:pals:

[bobbolink]

71. Let us know, OK?

[pacalo]

165. You mean about the reply, bob?

I got back what I expected: a form letter welcoming me to their e-mail list. To be fair, I guess it would be difficult to handle each individual letter when there are so many issues of concern. I believe handwritten letters make a better impression & I'm going to do that.

[Amonester]

28. Thank you!

I dream of (most of) DU sending a similar well-written message.

Hope to 'Wake Up The Humanity' in the receiver(s) mind (and ACTIONS).

Is it possible to make this an OP for a massive 'send-o-ton' by (most of) DU?

[TorchTheWitch]

34. the only message any politician will ever listen to is votes

and it's their ace in the hole. The Dems know they can be as grossly conservative and corporatist as Bush and still get the votes. They aren't kidding when they giggle "where else ya gonna go?"

[pacalo]

39. I'm at the point where I, too, think they're probably laughing at us.

The evidence is in their actions -- they continue to offend our sense of decency.

Take the date they've chosen for the announcement: Valentine's Day. Oh, they must be giggling at that one.

Even so, I feel better about myself for at least speaking up.

[MedicalAdmin]

114. We go local.

We organized locally for everything from the dog catcher up. One of the reasons that there is no where to go is because the corporations have grabbed control of the grassroots. So of course the only candidates we have to choose from are corporate mooks.

[guitar man]

32. Very good except

I don't know if I'd apply the term "wage earners" to the top 1%. Con-men, loan sharks and trust fund babies fits a lot better I think. ;)

[raccoon]

54. Great message, Peggy....

:yourock:

[somone]

56. Well said.

Thanks!

[Pacifist Patriot]

67. I adapted yours, I hope you don't mind.

Here is what I sent.

I read that you are considering cutting the heating assistance for the poor. This follows on the heals of allowing the top 1% of wage earners in this country to maintain their tax cut. Both of these policies are fiscally irresponsible and morally repugnant. I fail to grasp why a Democratic administration would support and promote these policies. This is not remotely the change I voted for. In addition, you need to add "budget" to the subject options in this form.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

106. I don't mind one little bit!

I think yours is better than mine.

I was hurrying and still wanted to be at least a little bit polite...

Plus with the word limit...

I think I did OK with all those restrictions!

:hi:

[Pacifist Patriot]

133. You did fabulous. The only reason I changed it was so they wouldn't think...

I was copying and didn't have an original thought in my head. ;-)

[bobbolink]

70. Thank you, Peggy!

:yourock:

Now, please aak everyone you know to do the same.

Thanks! :pals:

[Mimosa]

85. GREAT phrasing CAPeggy!

Wow, worth repeating.




"I understand that you are cutting the heating assistance for the poor while you're allowing the top 1% wage earners in this country to have their taxes cut. I find both these policies reprehensible in the extreme. I cannot understand why you would take such un-Democratic stands. These moves I might expect from a Republican, but from you? This is not the change I voted for."



I wish he'd HEAR IT himself.

[TK421]

137. you didn't curse enough, Peggy...otherwise, excellent work n/t

[Robeson]

148. Peg, Obama takes pride in the fact he compromises with Republicans...

...it has been his life-history. He probably saw caving in on the taxes as "reaching agreement", and if this stuff goes through, well, it will be just "working with those across the aisle". They'll probably be a nice signing ceremony, with the orange man getting one of the pens.

[WillyT]

185. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

:applause::applause::applause:

:yourock:

:kick:

:hi:

[notesdev]

27. This is an extremely cynical tactic

Putting on the table a cut that will hurt the poorest and most desperate, daring the Republicans to enact it... does he understand that they will do exactly that?

With all the corruption and waste in government, this is what he proposes to cut? Not defense overspending? Not any of the various giveaway programs to special interests? Not useless pork-barrel vote buying schemes?

I like Obama the Corporatist even less than I liked Obama of the Empty Promise.

[Forkboy]

31. I consider myself pretty cynical.

The Dems have nothing on me.

[Lucian]

33. He's going to be a one-termer.

I'm so pissed. I didn't work really hard in 2008 for a Democrat like Obama to turn out to be a Republican in 2011.

And once again, the rich get to keep their money while the poor are getting screwed. :grr:

[Sherman A1]

35. "This is what Republican Presidents are supposed to do."

In my opinion... He IS a Republican President

and he has lost my vote.

I won't waste my time contacting the WH, they already know better than this and there simply is no point.

[bobbolink]

75. What are you doing with the 28 seconds you saved by not writing in support of us?

[w8liftinglady]

40. They are taking notice of Texas politics.That has been escalating for years

the one glimmer of hope I see... the people are beginning to feel the pinch... and think- at least the younger ones.
Maybe,maybe?

[bobbolink]

83. Poor people have noticed for a LONG time, but there is no support for us, and we will NOT

be heard by ourselves.

When liberals decide to organize and join us in fighting back, only then can poor people have any hope of being heard.

[Imagevision]

41. $eems like Obama has an agenda that keeps unfolding weekly...

[rucky]

42. The GOP proposed less cuts to LIHEAP (400M) than Obama (2.5B)

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/02/09/house-gop-spending-cuts-the-list/

Am I reading this right?

:wtf: indeed.

[inna]

62. Crazy shit. IN-sane in the membrane.

He out-Republicans the GOP, and does what no Republican president would be able to get away with (because they would face vehement Democratic opposition).

Shit, old Bill Clinton is starting to look like a raging Commie compared to Obama (and you know what we used to say about Bill being the best R president, blah blah.)

It totally blows.

:nuke:

[Starry Messenger]

45. I'm sure they roundfile all letters complaining.

The last time I wrote to object to something, he and Biden denied that anyone had written to object about it. On tv. I didn't see that myself, but the people here who did?-believed them and savaged people unmercifully. We have no friends at city hall.

[somone]

49. This White House will hear no dissent

[bobbolink]

86. Nevertheless, it is important to do so. Its not a huge investment of time, and people like me

will appreciate it.

thank you.

:hug:

[garybeck]

102. I agree. And I don't believe they trash them without reading.

I've spoken to people who work for senators and they said the read everything, and at the very least they tally the incoming feedback and consider it to be a sample of public opinion.

any politician who completely ignores public opinion is pretty stupid unless they have no desire to stay in office

[OnyxCollie]

207. "any politician who completely ignores public opinion is pretty stupid

unless they have no desire to stay in office"

Well, if the voting system was rigged, they wouldn't need to be concerned with public opinion, would they?

For those keeping score, the authors of HAVA have:

Been convicted of bribery and corruption for deals with Jack Abramoff and sentenced to 30 months in prison- Rep. Bob Ney
Been convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering to get repub candidates elected, and have received a sentence of three years in prison- Rep. Tom DeLay (See also DeLay's ties to Abramoff.)
Run for President (poorly)- Sen. Chris Dodd
Business and financial ties with ES&S, the company that has a monopoly on vote counting in the US- Sen. Chuck Hagel

[Starry Messenger]

151. OK, I will.

:hug: I just hate imagining them flushing everything and pretending it doesn't exist. Letters, people...

[undeterred]

46. He's practically begging us to run a candidate on the left.

[Capitalocracy]

107. he's daring us to

I don't know why we're not doing it

[undeterred]

152. Somebody will run.

[bobbolink]

51. I''m going to say it.... I TOLD YOU SO.

There... it is time for people to acknowledge what some of us knew years ago.

This man is NO FRIEND of poor people!

[mike_c]

57. +1

My 2008 vote for Cynthia McKinney is feeling better every day. I've had so many "last straws" with the Obama administration that I could build a house out of them. This one, jeebus. Giving billions in tax relief to the richest folks while cutting life-saving assistance to the poor. Even my most cynical nerve is overwhelmed by that one. Neither Nixon nor Reagan were that brazenly beholden to the wealthy and powerful class.

Shame on Obama.

[bobbolink]

64. Yes, shame on Obama, although we knew it was coming.

MORE shame on liberals who are going to passively let it happen.

[Jefferson23]

60. The proposal alone is morally reprehensible and fiscally wrong..both fronts

[rucky]

79. It will also kill people.

quite literally.

[Jefferson23]

81. It will if they can't get relief, yes. n/t

[Gregorian]

66. I just figured out how trickle down economics works.

The wealthy and powerful are the ones at the bottom of the pyramid. The pyramid base is on top.

[EOTE]

68. I always thought the wealthy and powerful remained at the top.

And once they accumulate obscene levels of wealth and are taxed at a paltry rate, the trickle down process begins when they take an enormous piss on the rest of the country.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

72. Reprehensible.

Email sent.

[delightfulstar]

80. I wish it were just a bad dream...

He's a Repuke sympathizer in Blue clothing. More to big business, and less to the rest of us.

[Raster]

82. Same ol' horse... just a different color.

NO ONE, and I do mean NO ONE, gets to sit in the Oval Office without paying homage to the Lords of Money, and Obama is no exception.

[Bandit]

84. Maybe we can convince him to take this savings and spend it on more bombs and implements of death..

:shrug: Implements of Death....pretty much describes America in a nut shell.

[Bluebear]

87. To be fair, a lot of money is needed to bail out corporations too.

Disgusting.

[tekisui]

88. Welcome to the "New Democrat" Party!

[RedCloud]

89. And many communities oppose alternate energy to fuck us over anyway.

[tekisui]

90. I called it as soon as the word came out that the Dems were caving on the bush/obama tax cuts.

I said the deficit would be used to excuse cuts in social services across the board. Many told me I was wrong. I hope they are ready for a big plate of crow and some blowback.

[Hello_Kitty]

93. I saw it coming too

I also predicted we'd be seeing a lot of born again deficit hawks on this site. That's come to fruition too.

[tekisui]

94. Stunning, isn't it?

[bobbolink]

98. They will never admit they were wrong.

We poor folk deserved it.

[bobbolink]

97. Its time for I TOLD YOU SO. and, film of the eating of the crow!

:hi:

[Kievan Rus]

96. Obama is thinking WWRD -- What Would Reagan Do?

[somone]

100. He's a devout disciple in words and actions

[Mnemosyne]

99. security phrase I had to write there: theme\goal painf. Says it all. KnR n/t

[truebrit71]

108. Yup, it's all that Change we were Hoping for!!

..oh wait, it's supposed to be the other way around..??

[KansDem]

112. It's the New World (dis)Order

I believe George H W blabbered about it...

[progressoid]

113. Oh, now I get the voting for change thing.

The change is that instead of fighting Republicans, we now have to fight our own party.

Well, that's just CHANGETASTIC!

[katnapped]

117. It's friggin Changealicious!

Now if you'll 'scuse me I've gotta go clap louder or else I'll be yelled at :sarcasm:

[DearAbby]

116. I hear freezing to death is pretty painless

you just fall asleep, and voila you don't have to spend so much for those "ENTITLEMENT" programs, PROBLEM: solved. Just culling the herd of the sickly animals.




:sarcasm: for the impaired

[KatyBR]

122. [b]This program is a subsidy to the gas industry!![/b]

clip>>Critics say that the program is poorly administered and that, contrary to intentions, it’s become a subsidy for energy companies, most of whom are prohibited by law from turning off services to delinquent bill-payers during weather emergencies. About 10 percent of LIHEAP funds are transferred to “weatherization” programs, according to a government study.

[Curmudgeoness]

134. So what? We subsidize so much these days. And if a subsidy

to the gas industry is also beneficial to the poor, is that a bad thing? The poor get help paying their bills, and the gas company gets their money. And the poor family can keep their home from freezing. It is called a win/win.

Service cannot be turned off during "weather emergencies". What does this mean? They can't cut your gas off when the temperature will be below a set number? So what if that set number comes along in two weeks, and your gas is still off?

Also, weatherization programs are not necessarily evil either. I do know of some contractors who do nothing and get the money, and that does have to be controlled, but helping people cut the need for a higher heating bills by helping them weatherize their homes is a direction I think we should be moving toward.

[LiberalEsto]

123. I just emailed Obama and our member of Congress

I am practically speechless about this proposal.
What do they want, for the poor to all die?

[KatyBR]

124. THIS PROGRAM IS A SUBSIDY TO THE GAS INDUSTRY

>snip>>Critics say that the program is poorly administered and that, contrary to intentions, it’s become a subsidy for energy companies, most of whom are prohibited by law from turning off services to delinquent bill-payers during weather emergencies. About 10 percent of LIHEAP funds are transferred to “weatherization” programs, according to a government study.

[newportdadde]

127. If our budget is in crisis then we do we continue to cut taxes and lower our 'income'?

Saw the same thing the other day in a thread about Florida, cutting the hell out of everything and lowering taxes. It is a joke. If I was underwater on my bills I can understand cutting expenses or *gasp* raising taxes that never should have been lowered so low but I sure as hell wouldn't in the same breath cut expenses AND take a lower paying job..

[The Wizard]

128. Jesus is pissed off (NT)

[kath]

130. How pathetic that we can't express our true feelings about this President here.

my disgust and sense of betrayal are boundless.

[BlueJac]

132. Obama?

[TK421]

136. "In chess the pawns go first"

[neverforget]

141. sacrifice the Pawns to protect the King

[virtus_contagiosa]

139. I have to wonder how anyone is still surprised

at Obama's BS. Is it not crystal clear that he is quite simply one of them? Has it not been crystal clear for at least a year now? Go back to FISA for gods sake.

Until we stand up against the wealthy and the powerful business interests in this fucked up nation it will only get worse. They only want more and more. And our elected "leaders" are there to help them gain more and more. If you dont believe that by now your just deluding yourself. Obama just appointed Jeff "China My China" Immelt as his jobs guru and your surprised at this shit?

Forget voting. We know that does not work. We learned that the hard way. Our system is completely rigged in the favor of the CorpoRats.

We can sit around and moan and watch it all go down, bitching on our blogs OR we can mobilize and put an end to it with demands of campaign finance reform and sacking of the propaganda media outlets (almost all of em just as bad as Fox really). Until we the people decide to stand against this insanity it will only get worse.

You think the next election will solve the problem? Yeah...right.

One word: Egypt.

[MadTrucker99]

140. If conclusion jumping were an Olympic Event

They are talking about the Weatherization Assistance Program of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act which provided up to $5 billion to help low income families save on their energy bills by making their homes more energy efficient. If this item is true, then the change would be returning the the program funding to the pre Act levels. It could be that no one is applying for the money at that level and the money can be better used elsewhere. The money was NOT for buying heating oil or gas or electric. It was specifically tagged for those who wanted to upgrade their current heating equipment to more energy efficient equipment.

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[MadTrucker99]

145. In so many ways...

Obama is a huge disappointment. Don't really need to invent things to be upset over

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[Pit Stains]

156. SO let me get this straight....

Obama is completely at fault for the millionaires/billionaires getting tax cuts, even though the middle class only tax cuts were blocked TWICE by the GOP, and now that heating for the poor is getting cut to 2008 levels(energy prices are at 2008 levels now btw) you are going to vote for a Republican in the next election...?

There are too many liberal idealists. It is what turns many away. We have had 40 years of right wing destruction and manipulation of our political system, things aren't going to change over night. Obama has his faults but in politics the shortest distance between two points is not a straight line.

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[leftstreet]

167. "liberal idealists" is that the new pejorative?

:shrug:

lame

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[chill_wind]

182. It's a political discussion board. Criticizing and condemning bad policy is what we do here.

As`for "conservative trolls" you speak of, nothing is more conservative than trying to whitewash or rationalize more potentially very bad news for the poor and elderly, or to try to shame people here for their anger and concern about such a possibility.

Unbelievable.

[ck4829]

157. K&R

[digidigido]

158. Reganomics 101

[defendandprotect]

163. Obama made another lousey deal on tax cuts for the rich ... but presume it worked for him?

[Roci]

168. LIke I said

“Cold comfort from a Man who is now as distant from the poor as he was in law school. He does not have to do this out of politics. This is being done by his own choosing. What good is tax money to the poorest of our people if they freeze to death, while putting nothing but miserly pennies into the pockets of the rich?

This is another chance for him to stand up and be President of all the people, especially those who need a voice the most. Will he take the chance? Will he stand up?
If he dares not, than even his greatest defenders must now fall silent in shame, over the Government of a man who cares only for the politics of the moment, and not a wit for those who find themselves in want thru no act of their own. If President Obama allows this, there is no stopping greed and evil in the Party of NO. You might just as well send National Guard troops to Boston and Chicago to bring everyone over 80 out of the houses, and down to the ends of their driveways,wh­ere they can freeze to death and be easily collected with the other refuse.”

[lonestarnot]

170. Are we fucking walking like Egyptians yet?!!!!

[EndElectoral]

172. I'm just having a hard time beleiving ANY Democratic President would push this.

[katnapped]

211. Well everyone knows

Poor people don't create jobs and don't have money so not like anyone will miss them

Or something like that....

[subterranean]

174. The heating assistance cuts will pay for only a small fraction

of the tax cuts for the rich. The poor and middle class will have to do a lot more sacrificing than this.

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[KoKo]

180. WTF! Why are you trying to insinuate that David Sirota, Jane Hamsher, Cenk Uyger are Mercenary?

:wtf: Why are you trying to insinuate that David Sirota, Jane Hamsher, Cenk Uyger are Mercenary?


2. Mercenary incentive: Immediately after the 2008 elections, David Sirota, Jane Hamsher, Cenk Uyger and others loudly opined about how they were going to deal with the likely shortfall in cyber traffic and ad-click revenues with a President in office from their ideological ranks. Their behavior shows the fruits of the Faustian bargain they struck: i.e. to make money as contrarians. They have no actual commitment to any policy cause. Notice their reactions are always predictable no matter what policy issue is on the table. No sane person remains a ONE NOTE track on every single issue in their lives. Their one chorus tells us all there is to know about their motives.

And you go on to make a RACIST remark against David Sirota, Jane Hamsher, Cenk Uyger


5. They need a Janitorial Presidency: Overt and residual features of White privilege. Some of these folks remain willfully or inadvertently unaware of the baked-in cosmology of white privilege. It manifests itself in the expectations you mention. To them a black person cannot be average. Either they are superhuman or mediocre, or both. Initially they imagined candidate Obama to be “magical’, just like in the movies or in sports. But when they now take a closer look at the complex human being that he is with flaws, their new default posture is that he must be mediocre.

[motorcityliberal]

197. Callin it how ABL and I see it

After what happen with AOL and Huffington Post some people still want to defend those who are in the same business as the Huffy Post playing on Liberals for their own personal gains. You don't find it odd that no matter what the subject is these folks mostly fall on the side of Obama is epic fail side? Cenk doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about. If you want proof look up Al Giordano's epic beat down of Cenk during the Kagan selection.

[liberation]

184. LOL "The Ugly Racism on the Fringe Left” & "the dicks running on the Green Party ticket " Classic!!!

You mean the misogynistic "dicks" white supremacist black women like Cynthia McKinney?

Wow, you guys are not "desperate" at all. LOL. Congratulations, you're now trashing the left using the same logical dissonant self contradicting nonsensical adhominems the right uses against Obama (e.g. marxist fascist muslim).


Since you're throwing all that psycho babble, let me provide a new term for you to ponder: Projection. Cheers. Enjoy.

[EFerrari]

193. Yeah, that blogger has confused projection with transference

on top of everything else.

[motorcityliberal]

203. It seems

The Self-righteous one confuse reality with their over simplify idea way how government actually works. But I guess politics is like sports in a certain way both arm chair quarterbacks think they can throw a prefect strike to their receivers in double coverage. Or arm chair GMs who's decisions doesn't impact anyone else's lives.

[EFerrari]

214. Naming calling really isn't political discussion. n/t

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[motorcityliberal]

225. Green Party is the Sam Club to the Republican Walmart

Cynthia McKinney? And you're calling someone desperate you found one fringe former congresswoman that support this death march in giving the Republican back power. Not trashing the left only the self-righteous ass hats would believe their own personal feelings are more important than the well being of the entire country and those who don't know how government actually works. Libertation do you really know what projection is? Because those two pieces I cited told the truth about your boy Cenk and his ilk and the other one poised a too real political reality if you think knee capping a overwhelming popular president in the black community won't have any political blow back to the progressive community you're sadly living in a dream world.

[EFerrari]

192. A chorus line of straw men. We could put on a musical.

lol

[motorcityliberal]

199. Really People

It seems challenging the self-righteous ones causes them to spaz out.. Hey if you want to follow a shitty path of destruction go right ahead cupcake, but don't complain when the path leads other people you claim to care about in worst state of affairs.

[EFerrari]

215. Speaking of projection, you have no idea what I think. n/t

[motorcityliberal]

226. Do you folks even know what projection is.

Tell me what is on the minds of the self-righteous ones then? Because if you folks had your way during the tax cuts debate the people you claim to be behind and care for would be in a whole world of hurt because you're leaving their fate in the hands of a right wing Republican house. And since the media rather talk about pressing issues like what the cast of Jersey Show are making or Lindsay Lohan current legal issues you can forget about setting the record straight about why you opposed tax cuts for the wealthy. All people would know that you opposed giving them tax cuts in a tough economy and you didn't fight for unemployment benefits. If the self-righteous ones did their role on election day instead of bitching and whining a tax deal like this probably wouldn't have to be cut, and cuts to other services wouldn't probably be on the table because you would still had a sane house of Representatives to deal with.

You and the other members of the self righteous clique on the left dropped the ball on November second and regular people are paying for that brief moment of selfishness.

[EFerrari]

232. You really should hook up with Frenchie Cat.

She shares a lot of your opinions and habits. :)

[chill_wind]

196. "Deaniac83", huh? Hard to believe anyone who ever called themselves a Deaniac

could have written all that bigoted ranting phlegm. Takes all kinds to make it the Internet, I guess.

None it addresses the unthinkable problem at hand if the harmful cuts to the most vulnerable and needy are made that are being discussed and proposed under President Obama, while the banksters, the war profiteers, the already obscenely wealthy keep lining their pockets in contrast. Obama has a lot of political problems to overcome in 2012--- of his own making, to put it very politely.

[motorcityliberal]

201. The Point is still missed

It seems the self righteous ones don't get the overhaul messages:
The first section you folks are getting played by those like Cenk but you rather keep that head buried in the sand to see that.
Second point: Self-Righteous ones once you discovered your line of thinking lead to another election defeat and not only you hand the very people you claim to be against more power i.e letting them take back the senate and the White House you're also going to realize you pretty much told a important voting bloc go to the hell them because Your personal feelings were more important then country's well being.

And the self-righteous ones will be the very same people making the Youtube videos, making the diaries and creating threads of OMG see what Republican President wants to do yet they enable it to happen.

[sam sarrha]

186. you have to read this book.. the Family by Jeff Sharlet..Link>> wealth and power is proof of gods

...wealth and power is proof of gods favor of a man so it is a sin to tax a rich man/corporation. and the poor are being punished by god for their lack of proper faith so it is a sin to help them...
===you need to understand that to understand the GOP==

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297396769&sr=8-1

the Family was started in 1934 by a Nazi.. little has changed. the call themselves the Christian Mafia. they are F'n Bizarre, the product of mental illness.!! 30% of the Red States have been totally taken over by them. they are the Dominionists.

http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html
"snip...How comforting the Calvinistic idea of a “justified sinner” is when one is utilizing Machiavellian techniques to gain political control of a state. It’s more than comforting; it is a required doctrine for “Christians” who believe they must use evil to bring about good. It justifies lying, murder, fraud and all other criminal acts without the fuss of having to deal with guilt feelings or to feel remorse for the lives lost through executions, military actions, or assassinations.

Leo Strauss was born in 1899 and died in 1973. ... He is most famous for resuscitating Machiavelli and introducing his principles as the guiding philosophy of the neo-conservative movement. ... More than any other man, Strauss breathed upon conservatism, inspiring it to rise from its atrophied condition and its natural dislike of change and to embrace an unbounded new political ideology that rides on the back of a revolutionary steed, hailing even radical change; hence the name Neo-Conservatives.

Significantly, Dominionism is a form of Social Darwinism.<48> It inherently includes the religious belief that wealth-power is a sign of God’s election. That is, out of the masses of people and the multitude of nations, wealth, in and of itself, is thought to indicate God’s approval on men and nations whereas poverty and sickness reflect God’s disapproval.

(It was not until I read this article that I realized that this is a fundamental tenet of Dominionists.

Worldly wealth and power are signs of God's favor -- to attempt to limit or decrease one's wealth and power is to disrespect God.

On the contrary, God's elect on Earth are called upon to increase their wealth and power.

It is not sufficient for a man to be a millionaire, or for a country to have sovereignty within its borders -- a man must strive to increase his wealth as much as possible, and a Dominionist government's behavior toward its neighbors must be "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity".

Furthermore, any attempt to decrease a person's or a country's wealth and power -- to take from the rich to give to the poor, to reduce military spending and power -- is a direct attack on God.)

If “Secular Humanists are the greatest threat to Christianity the world has ever known,” as theologian Francis Schaeffer claimed, then who are the Humanists? According to Dominionists, humanists are the folks who allow or encourage licentious behavior in America. They are the undisciplined revelers.

Put all the enemies of the Dominionists together, boil them down to liquid and bake them into the one single most highly derided and contaminated individual known to man, and you will have before you an image of the quintessential “liberal” -- one of those folks who wants to give liberally to the poor and needy -- who desires the welfare and happiness of all Americans -- who insists on safety regulations for your protection and who desires the preservation of your values -- those damnable people are the folks that must be reduced to powerlessness -- or worse: extinction.

What would a “reconstructed” America look like under the Dominionists? K.L. Gentry, a Dominionist himself, suggests the following “elements of a theonomic approach to civic order,” which I strongly suggest should be compared to the Texas GOP platform of 2002, which reveals that we are not just talking about imaginary ideas but some things are already proposed on Republican agendas.<60> Dominionism’s concept of government according to Gentry is as follows:

“1. It obligates government to maintain just monetary policies ... fiat money, fractional reserve banking, and deficit spending.

“2. It provides a moral basis for elective government officials. ...

“3. It forbids undue, abusive taxation of the rich. ...

“4. It calls for the abolishing of the prison system and establishing a system of just restitution. *...

“5. A theonomic approach also forbids the release, pardoning, and paroling of murderers by requiring their execution. ...

“6. It forbids industrial pollution that destroys the value of property. ...

“7. It punishes malicious, frivolous malpractice suits. ...

“8. It forbids abortion rights. ... Abortion is not only a sin, but a crime, and, indeed, a capital crime.”<61>
. . .

* Gary North describes the ‘just restitution’ system of the bible, which happens to reinstitute slavery,
like this:

“At the other end of the curve, the poor man who steals is eventually caught and sold into bondage under a successful person. His victim receives payment; he receives training; his buyer receives a stream of labor services. If the servant is successful and buys his way out of bondage, he re-enters society as a disciplined man, and presumably a self-disciplined man. He begins to accumulate wealth.” ...snip"


http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State


By Katherine Yurica

With Editorial and Research Assistant Laurie Hall



February 11, 2004
The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America


It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.<1> And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.<2> On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.

Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.

Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.

As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…”<3>

George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:

“One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.”<4>

Notwithstanding the advice, the President’s foreign policy revealed a flair for saber rattling. He warned the world that “nations are either with us or they’re against us!” His speeches, often containing allusions to biblical passages, were spoken with the certainty of a man who holds the authority of God’s wrath on earth, for he not only challenged the evil nations of the world, singling out Iraq, Syria, Iran, and North Korea as the “axis of evil,” but he wielded the sword of punishment and the sword of revenge against his own people: the American poor and the middle class who according to the religious right have earned God’s wrath by their licentiousness and undisciplined lives.

[dflprincess]

195. "The Family" Sharlett wrote about

is the group Obama was sucking up to at the "prayer breakfast" he attended last week.

[sam sarrha]

231. Hillery has been a Diciple of Fasco-Theoist Doug Coe since 1993.. links>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5071798
When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan...snip"



http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/25/hillary-clintons-spiritual-adivsor-doug-coe-and-his-curious-admiration-for-nazis-and-communist-killings/

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=hillery%20diciple%20of%20doug%20coe%20&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=10ed5043a6013aa8&pf=p&pdl=500

[Stand and Fight]

187. Hooray for all the people who fell for all of his bullshit in the primaries! n/t

[bertman]

188. They could care less if you or I come out and vote in 2012. The decision is made.

We have no say in it except to act as if we believe in one of the two parties, both of which are working hard for their Corporate Masters.

[russspeakeasy]

189. DONE !

[Divine Discontent]

191. I wrote. 1st letter to him in a while. Asked for him to plz listen to the wise Senator, John Kerry

:kick:

[inna]

200. fucking frightening.

and where is proverbial outrage, btw?

[AllyCat]

202. What are the Obama apologist's arguments supporting this?

I am outraged. I've sent a message to the WH. Thanks for the link.

[chill_wind]

204. None that I've seen. You're just supposed to STFU because

you know, you're being a disloyal subject and-- the REPUBLICANS would do you worse. It hasn't been explained how, yet.

[Pit Stains]

220. So you're saying they wouldn't?

The argument is that the funding was cut to 2008 levels because energy prices are at 2008 levels.

You would have to be brain dead to vote for the GOP.

[Duer 157099]

208. I honestly believe that a republican would not be getting away with this

The dems would be screaming bloody murder if a republican were doing this sort of shit.

[katnapped]

210. Yup...but because it's 'our team' doing it

Makes it A-OK (because the "adults" in the room need to be "responsible" and booga booga Sarah Palin)

[Pit Stains]

221. Republicans got away with way worse then this.

Republicans destroyed the country. How exactly is that ok? but Obama wants to cut a small portion of funding that the poor gets and his is now the anti christ...

[ladyVet]

212. wow, one more nail in that coffin....

the one that holds my long-time democratic vote. Let's see, how does that saying go? Oh, yea: fool me once, shame on you, fool me--er, fool me twice--um, can't get fooled again!

For those of you without the sarcasm gene, I mean that I will vote for a third party candidate, or not vote at all, for the first time in 30 years. Goddess, my granddaddy is rolling in his grave.

[Pit Stains]

222. Have fun throwing your vote away and giving the GOP a better chance at winning.

This is why the Republicans won in 2010.

[uponit7771]

224. *******"officials" briefed on the subject told National Journal.*******

Haven't we been through this bullshit before?!!?!?

Anonymous unnamed bastards get sourced in a story and DU's FUDers go nuts.

Like 2341;onqwd9034j123 times before I'm going to wait for the OFFICIAL WH reply...and like before yaw punk ass FUDers who rec'd this up aint comin back to rec up the counter story.

IF this is truly happening then it's disappointing but if it aint, like 12341234 times before, you can tell FUDers are in full tilt no doubt.

[Fire Walk With Me]

228. It's certainly the Republican Way.

Focus your upset against the Republican majority and work for Change.

[RT Atlanta]

230. Kicked since I can no longer recommend

WTF indeed!