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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:25 PM
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Should government be run like a business?
I have heard this over and over again from the teabaggers in my area, and beyond. But every time I hear this, I think of how impossible it would be. I did a simple google search for this phrase, and found that this is not only a very popular slogan, it has been batted around for a long time.

This article from April of 1993 not only says what I would say if I were able to articulate my opinion this well, but if showed me something that I was not aware of prior to reading it---he quotes Bill Clinton saying that we ought to run government more like a business. I wonder if all these right-wingnuts who are on this bandwagon know about that. The article is dated in just one or two spots, and that will bring back memories for the older DUers here. For younger DUers, just insert more modern names or disastrous industries. It still works.

So what do you think? Should government be run like a business? Can it?


http://www.jimhightower.com/node/1805


Run Government Like a Business
Tuesday, April 13, 1993 | Posted by Jim Hightower


In politics, the air is often full of speeches . . . and vice versa. One of the airiest of political ideas -- becoming sort of the Cheeze Whiz of American politics -- is that "government should be run like a business."

Jim Hightower remembering the visit that Bill Clinton recently made to Apple Computer in Cupertino, California. He toured the plant, then told a group of assembled employees: We oughta run government more like a business.

Hmmm. One wonders: Which business did he have in mind?

Apple? They employ about as many workers in Singapore as in our entire country. How about Gillette, Columbia Pictures, A&P, Nestles, Fox TV Network, Burger King? Nope, they're no model for our government -- all of 'em are foreign-owned.

Well, if Washington is run like General Motors, will the executives move the State Department across the border to Mexico? And will we have to pay top government executives $2 million, $12 million, even $50 million as corporations do?

Should we hire people like Michael Milkin, Charles Keating, Frank Lorenzo, Leona Helmsley, and hundreds of others who ran their businesses -- by hook or by crook, running roughshod over employees, consumers, competitors? And remember, when the going gets tough in government, executives can't just move operations to Korea, eliminate everyone's pensions and health plans, secretly arrange a buyout of stockholders and jump to safety with a "golden parachute."

OK, maybe I'm overdoing it. If the President simply meant that government should adopt innovative management methods, pay more attention to the bottom line, seek efficiencies, and reward enterprise . . . then there are some things to learn from our best businesses. But business has few of the inherent complexities of government. which has to operate openly -- not behind closed doors; do "good" -- not just make money; and serve everyone, regardless of ability to pay -- not just appeal to a market niche.

This is Jim Hightower saying . . . it makes a nice phrase for politicians, but if we actually ran government like business, we could wind up operating like a savings and loan.


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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:30 PM
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1. The Constitution does not call for that in any manner.
The US Constitution does not call for the government to act like a business, nor does it demand a our government turn a "profit".

If it did ... the easiest way to turn that profit, would be to raise taxes.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:37 PM
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3. Also, cut employees...
I'm always amused at GOPers who claim if elected, they're run government "like a business." Yeah, sure...just what the right-wing nuts want. What do new CEOs do to "turn around" a company? Lay off employees!

Sure, we can turn this country around, just ask...oh, 20% of Americans who are thought to be expendable to leave!
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:42 PM
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5. Cutting employees isn't the half of it.
Businesses also exist to generate profits. And they will not spend one penny on anything that will not produce profits.

So yes, they would want to cut employees. And make the remaining employees take up the slack. But will they still in the "business" of prisons or food stamps or public transportation?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:31 PM
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2. No it shouldn't.
nt
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:39 PM
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4. If only
Of all the programming gigs I've worked over the years, I am most fond of my time on contract at the Washington State Department of Licensing. With the lowest level of technology available at the time, I found it to be the most efficient, cost effective workplace I've ever seen.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:45 PM
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7. So are you saying that your answer is yes it should
be run like a business? Or are you saying that technology should go?
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:30 PM
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26. No, what I'm saying is ...
... in my humble experience, I find government and government workers perform their jobs in a much more economically frugal fashion than does the private sector.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:43 PM
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6. No. Businesses are for profit. Government is to serve the people. nt
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:46 PM
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8. a corporation has no obilgation to the common weal
government should.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:06 PM
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13. Exactly. Privatize the commons, and you really create haves and have-nots...
Additionally, socialism plugs the holes where capitalism has failed. Take home owner insurance. Business (private insurance) has a huge safety net in the federal government so that it doesn't go under with the big flood.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:48 PM
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9. It's an empty catch-phrase.
What specific practices of businesses are governments supposed to be emulating?

I've seen some businesses that make Soviet bloc government bureaucracies look like a model of efficiency.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:58 PM
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11. We may have worked at the same places. nt
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:56 PM
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10. no. nt
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david13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:58 PM
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12. It cannot be run like a business. It is not a business. Good point. dc
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:06 PM
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14. No. Absolutely not.
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 09:08 PM by bluestate10
Government is not a business. A business would raise garbage collection and postal rates to cover expenses and make a profit. Government should strive to be efficient in spending every cent of taxpayer money, but that is a wholly different goal from what a business does.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:25 PM
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21. Good point. Make you wonder how much driver's license would cost
if we had to make a profit on that. Ouch.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:07 PM
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15. No (nt)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:11 PM
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16. I hear this all the time.
Just tell them how well it's worked in states like mine, California, when the business guys come in as Governor, most recently Arnold Schwarzenegger and what a mess they leave behind because governing a state or a country is very different than a business. Businesses are monarchies with an owner or CEO as king. There is nothing Democratic about them and they have to provide a product or service for people to buy. Government does none of those things.

What I believe people really want is better accounting and I believe that could be possible.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:19 PM
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19. Better accounting is definitely possible, but only if
we have open government. But yes, that is what we all want. Gotta say that business is not usually all that transparent either.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:16 PM
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17. It amuses me how people who hate taxes want the government to be profitable. nt
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:18 PM
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18. You mean like when 40-50 of start-ups go bankrupt within the first year...
Or when the market tanks they go out of business.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:24 PM
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20. Government cannot be run like a business. GWB, uses that
one. Remember Harvard Business Degree and how
he delegated. Using Free Market Principles he
drove us right over the cliff.

Government can be made to be more effective
and efficient but not business like. Too many
have doomed us with this practice.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:27 PM
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22. And all these years later, we still hear this slogan. My new rep
got elected by using this exact idea. Go figure.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:06 PM
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23. Hell NO!!!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:42 PM
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24. It already is. Its here. It arrived a long time ago.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 11:05 PM
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25. Meaningless aphorism
"Run like a Business" is just whatever anyone wants it to be. It is just something politicians say because they don't have real ideas and the masses are too ignorant to understand them if they did.

Could be:
A business where the citizens are the customers and taxes are how we pay for services.

Or:
A business where the state doesn't do anything that isn't going to bring in more money than it costs. Nothing.

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