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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:31 PM
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"Paid To Troll Social Media" (create messages, submit fake docs, cause concern)
Edited on Wed Feb-09-11 07:48 PM by kpete

To what extent is what we’re seeing just an extension of
what our own government is trying to combat Wikileaks?




The Disinformation Campaign Bank of America Considered
By: emptywheel Wednesday February 9, 2011 4:15 pm

Wikileaks has posted the presentation three security companies–Palantir, HBGary Federal, and Berico Technologies–made to Bank of America, proposing to help it respond to Wikileaks.
http://wikileaks.ch/IMG/pdf/WikiLeaks_Response_v6.pdf


In addition to the degree to which the proposal emphasizes the national security ties and military background of the employees of the company (particularly Berico), the presentation fleshes out what the companies proposed. Under potential proactive tactics, it lists:


* Feed the fuel between the feuding groups. Disinformation. Create messages around actions to sabotage or discredit the opposing organization. Submit fake documents and then call out the error.
* Create concern over the security of the infrastructure. Create exposure stories. If the process is believed to not be secure they are done.

* Cyber attacks against the infrastructure to get data on document submitters. This would will the project. Since the servers are now in Sweden and France putting a team together to get access is more straightforward.
* Media campaign to push the radical and reckless nature of wikileaks activities. Sustained pressure. Does nothing for the fanatics, but creates concern and doubt amongst moderates.
* Search for leaks. Use social media to profile and identify risky behavior of employees.


.................

Of particularly interest, they describe HBGary Federal’s abilities to conduct INFOOPS, including “influence operations” and “social media exploitation.”

In other words, in addition to proposing to conduct cyber attacks on Wikileaks’ European-based infrastructure (complete with a picture of WL’s bomb shelter-housed servers), the proposal appears to recommend that these companies be paid to troll social media, like Twitter, to not only “identify risky behavior of employees” but also, presumably, “push the radical and reckless nature of wikileaks activities.” You know–the kind of trolling we often see targeted at Glenn (and in recent days targeted against David House, who was also listed in this presentation).

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/02/09/the-disinformation-campaign-bank-of-america-considered/



"Submit fake documents and then call out the error."
This is the one that just jumped out at me. Who does that? Hmmmm. This is exactly what they did to Dan Rather.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:34 PM
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1. Is this right out of the play book for the Repugs? Looks familiar. nt
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:38 PM
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2. I was thinking the same exact thing...really!!!!
:hi:
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:20 PM
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26. me too
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:00 PM
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6. Same thing they tried with Michael Moore
Playing smart but not being clever.
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jimmy red Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:42 PM
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3. off topic
question from a new member: anybody know how jesse's case with the air transportation infringment aka: homeland suckcurity is going??
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:25 PM
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7. Welcome to DU
Just an observation, you picked an interesting thread to pose that question upon.

I haven't heard news about that either way, I imagine it is winding it's way into discovery.

-Hoot
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:46 PM
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4. And yet there are still people who come to DU and call us tinfoilhatters
I've yet to see liberals be wrong about all of the things we know are going on, and what the other side uses for tactics.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:57 PM
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:18 PM
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37. + My household. n/t
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 08:26 PM
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8. Right out of the Koch brothers playbook.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:01 PM
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9. Sounds like they have Karl Rove working for them. remember Dan Rather?
*Submit fake documents and then call out the error.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:25 PM
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10. it`s always nice to get confirmation on what one believes.....
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:28 PM
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11. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 09:36 PM
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12. ''...creates concern and doubt amongst moderates...''
Sounds like an all-in-one, turnkey solution, right out of the 9-11 box.
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vim876 Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:03 PM
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13. Oh man.
It would be so much easier if we could just be evil too, without being concerned by such petty things as conscience and truth. Curses.
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marybee Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:42 PM
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14. disinformation seems to be all the information we get anymore
na
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:19 AM
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17. Bingo. n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 10:51 PM
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15. I see people here and elsewhere who claim that they don't like Assange without once
reading or listening to any of his interviews or reading his position papers.

So, where do the get the information on his character?
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:48 AM
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22. I've notice a big campaign against Assange coming from Gawker
All of my friends who read Gawker post stories about what a sleazebag Assange is to women. 99% of the stories are from Gawker or one of their affiliates, in those cases.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:19 PM
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39. Exactly. n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:09 AM
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16. Kick.
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:49 AM
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18. K&R
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MaeScott Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 06:24 AM
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19. The rethuglican playbook, absolutely. nt
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:48 AM
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20. This is exactly what
"Big Brother" would do.
Freedom is Slavery
War is Peace

Corporations and the wealthy/elite/MIC, own and control America.
We desperately NEED a Peaceful Revolution to retake our government for the majority of people.
The one life that we are sure we have, should not be spent as pawns in the corporate sponsored game of life....
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:43 PM
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23. How do we retake government when we can't even retake our party? n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:51 AM
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21. K&R ! //nt
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:45 PM
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24. K&R-like some of US have consistently said, there are indeed real politicized conspiracies n/t
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 12:54 PM
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25. Machiavelli, Nazis, Republicans all did/do this trick.
In WWII it was rampant to forge documents. I strongly suspect after reading the Pentagon Propaganda Machine that there are many on the tax dime paid to write right wing crap in the media all the time, but like to be called "heroes".

Thanks kpete for all you do!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:29 PM
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27. Deleted message
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:44 PM
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30. Why sofa king, whatever do you mean, "DOD peeps?" n/t
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 07:29 PM
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45. I mean everyone who called me crazy.
In this thread, for example:

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4609460#4609879

That story was shouted down, right here at DU. And the shouting continues. Look at this bullshit article here:

http://news.discovery.com/space/examining-official-explanation-of-the-mystery-missile.html

"None of the nearly 4 million people living in Los Angeles noticed the "missile" launch, and pilots flying in the area reported seeing nothing unusual -- and certainly not a missile being launched."

Except, of course, our own coalition_unwilling, who described his own account of seeing it from the beach:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x300622

And so on. The Department of Defense sat on us, right here, to get us to shut up about it. I've been studying rockets since my old man put one on the damned Moon. I know I am right, and I do not appreciate my observations being pooh-poohed as part of a fucking operation against the American people. You want me to shut up about it? Give me a damned job, and then you can tell me what to do.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 10:37 AM
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53. I imagine if everyone who called me crazy
I imagine if everyone who called me crazy were dark operatives for the DOD, the U.S. would probably be reduced to four or five civilians.

As for me, I try to perceive the difference between someone merely disagreeing with me actual disinformation campaign.

Not telling you to shut up, of course. I've simply learned that I often feel petulant when I blame disagreement on dark forces of the shadow governments.
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Krakowiak Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:33 PM
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28. HBGary is the same company that just got pwned by Anonymous
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:36 PM
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29. Here's a fun game to play.
Go peruse threads around the web and see how quickly you can identify which of these is being used.

* Feed the fuel between the feuding groups. Disinformation. Create messages around actions to sabotage or discredit the opposing organization. Submit fake documents and then call out the error.
* Create concern over the security of the infrastructure. Create exposure stories. If the process is believed to not be secure they are done.
* Cyber attacks against the infrastructure to get data on document submitters. This would will the project. Since the servers are now in Sweden and France putting a team together to get access is more straightforward.
* Media campaign to push the radical and reckless nature of wikileaks activities. Sustained pressure. Does nothing for the fanatics, but creates concern and doubt amongst moderates.
* Search for leaks. Use social media to profile and identify risky behavior of employees.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:37 PM
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35. Good game indeed
Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I have the distinct impression that DU on occasion becomes a target for corporate campaigners, lobbyists, domestic and foreign interests, spooks, etc. in implementing their "social media strategies."

I think that's to be expected, but I also think it's often not that hard to spot them.

I'm not sure, however, about the wisdom of outing them, or whether DU even allows that (I can see a rationale for not allowing that.) But I do try to keep my eye on them when they show up.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:47 PM
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31. I just read in the WSJ
That Wikileaks now sez it has nothing on B of A. You don't think the WSJ would be involved in spreading false info do you? I mean, the cat that owns it is one upright dude AFAIK
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:19 PM
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38. roflmfao
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 01:51 PM
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32. K/R -- back later
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:12 PM
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33. K&R.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 02:16 PM
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34. Thanks kpete. I did a big post on the same thing, analyzing eight slides from the HBGary document...
How to destroy Wikileaks and Glenn Greenwald - Spooks pitch plan to Bank of America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x386784
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:01 PM
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36. kpete, I'll assume that your query.....
"To what extent is what we’re seeing just an extension of what our own government is trying to combat Wikileaks?"


...was rhetorical. Because these are the same guys "our own government" just gave billions of dollars to and put us on the hook for it all. The fact is, there is virtually no separation between the two. In reality, it is the government which is an extension of the corpocracy, not the other way round.

- K&R

The reality is that institutional establishments, institutions of codified thought, and institutions of societal influence and power, meaning philosophies, dogmas on one hand and corporations and governments on the other, each have a high propensity to engage in denial, dishonesty, and corruption to maintain self-preservation and self-perpetuation. The result is a continuous culture lag where social progress by way of incorporating new socially-helpful scientific advancements is constantly inhibited. It is like walking through a brick wall as the established power orthodoxies continue to perpetuate themselves for their own interests and comforts.

The profit mechanism creates established orders which constitute the survival and wealth for a few groups of people. The fact is that no matter how socially beneficial new advents may be, they will be viewed in hostility if they threaten an established financially-driven institution. Meaning social progress can be a threat to the establishment. So to put this into a sentence: "Abundance, sustainability and efficiency are the enemies of profit."

Progressive advancement in science and technology which can solve problems of inefficiency and scarcity once and for all, are in effect making the prior establishment's servicing of those issues obsolete. Therefore in a monetary system corporations aren't just in competition with each other, they're in competition with progress itself. That is why social-change is so difficult within a monetary system. In other words, the established monetary system refuses to allow free-flowing change.

Today we use paper proclamations to denote a person's so-called 'rights.' And just like laws, they are culturally biased, artificial concoctions which attempt to solve recurring problems by simply declaring something with words on paper. Rights, in fact, have been invented to protect ourselves from the negative byproducts of the social system itself. And once again instead of seeking a true solution to a problem, we invent these patches by way of paper proclamations in an attempt to resolve them. This does not work. It has never worked. There is really no such thing as an inalienable right outside of the culture in which it is assumed. We are making this up. Therefore liberties need to be inherent in a social system by design not alluded to ambiguously on paper.

We have to understand that government as we know it today, is not in place for the well being of the public, but rather for the perpetuation of their establishment and their power. Just like every other institution within a monetary system. Government is a monetary invention for the sake of economic and social control and its methods are based upon self-preservation, first and foremost. All a government can really do is to create laws to compensate for an inherent lack of integrity within the social order. In society today the public is essentially kept distracted and uninformed. This is the way that governments maintain control. If you review history, power is maintained through ignorance. ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPmHaTirnCc">Peter Joseph
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:19 PM
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40. recommend
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:22 PM
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41. A video I saw on the Guardian site suggests to me that this strategy
against Wikileaks won't work. Reason: Wikileaks publishes via established reporting media when it publishes something highly controversial. Note that we have not heard anything more about Wikileaks publishing something from a major bank. It may be (and this is just a theory) that the information is being checked for authenticity. Wikileaks is not the ad hoc publisher that certain parts of the mainstream media (the parts controlled by governments, for example), would have you believe.

Mind you, I am just basing these comments on what I have seen on the video on the Guardian's website and other comments as well as my own very limited reading of the Wikileaks publications. I'm also basing this on Assange's videos, not just on what Assange says but on my judgment of his intelligence and careful thoughtfulness. Assange is not a cowboy.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 04:45 PM
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42. Dirty-tricks - standard procedure for Right-wing political groups for 100 years
It's become very systematic and the dirty-tricksters seem to consider themselves to be respectable "professionals". They're still just a bunch of thugs and scammers.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:36 PM
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43. This isn't just a strategy for a disinformation campaign...this is also BoA's business plan!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:49 PM
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44. This article documents how the Associated Press is all too eager to get into bed
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 05:50 PM by truedelphi
With the Big Money interests:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/22/540267/-The-TRUTH-Versus-the-Mainstream-Media

Sorry comment on what happens when the Media is Corporate controlled. And
whenever the Truth is not convenient, the Powers that Be simply create an "alternate truth!"
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:11 PM
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46. need a fund/reward for whistleblowers- paid talk radio callers, are
also a problem.

thom hartman likes to call them out when they call in, but they also prompt and idolize the righty talkers.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:46 PM
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47. Trolls


Yeah, Internet Trolls are pretty much like that..
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:31 PM
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48. Counterintelligence ops. Nothing new here. Just getting exposed in cyberspace.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:29 PM
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49. ^
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:06 PM
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50. Dude.


Creepy Corporate Gestapo Days.
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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:20 AM
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51. related links
EXPOSED: Attack on Wikileaks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x553074

How one man tracked down Anonymous—and paid a heavy price
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/how-one-security-firm-tracked-anonymousand-paid-a-heavy-price.ars

Executive Who Worked On ChamberLeaks Project Previously Complained About Personal Privacy Invasion
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/11/aaron-barr-privacy

Hacked Documents Show Chamber Engaged HBGary to Spy on Unions
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/02/10/will-the-chamber-continue-wits-hbgary-work-now-that-theyve-been-hacked
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:24 AM
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52. These are CIA tactics
And have been in use against the American public since Poppy Bush was first placed on the Reagan / Bush ticket. The mere fact these tactics are being ratcheted up again are the clearest indicator (to me at least) Jeb Bush is planning a run at the White House
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-11 09:12 PM
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54. In a world...
... where conspiracies are common in cinematic entertainment, it's a whole lot easier to pull one off in real life -- because most people simply think such things only happen "in the movies." And the real-life conspiracy wouldn't even have to be as complex as the fictional kind, for the same reason.

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