Isolation i s TORTURE

[Ichingcarpenter]

Imagine you can't get even talk to anyone
except your jailer?

BUT MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE IN A BLUE MOON.

DUers....... think about that

FREE MANING.......ISOLATION IS TORTURE.

[RandomThoughts]

1. It really isn't.

That assumes that it bothers you. And if you are due beer and travel money, you have the high ground, and the rest really does not matter as far as isolation goes.

However if I was told that I should not be isolated if I was to 'agree to something I do not agree with' then you laugh at it, and know they are the people isolated.


Although I agree he should be freed, based on the concept that he is held wrongly, without commenting on the individual.


For people that act in better conscious, including the Manning guy if it applies to him, there is a great scene from a movie.

The Shawshank Redemption (Mozart Opera Scene)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfZbzFuJv3o


Harrison Bergeron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSN0X1kDKlA


I am due beer and travel money, and many experiences.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. I have beer and travel money

to go to the store for us to get some more for us

Is that good enough?

Meanwhile you are able to tell me without being
in ISOLATION.

[RandomThoughts]

7. Depends what you call issolation.

What if you did not understand what I said.




An example of isolation, people think that movie clip is about something like taxes, what if the 'band' was 'blockers' in your mind that keep you from seeing things. Keep you from even knowing what is possible to feel or think.


If that was the case, you would not worry about 'taxes' and they would not even be needed. But because people do care about money above what makes sense, taxes are needed.

That is the irony of it.


And I am still due beer and travel money and many experiences.

Here is another one, some say you have to be 'clean' based on what they think clean is, and they can not defend that, because that is not what clean is. It was being clean that got me put in isolation, been clean for many years.

I was put in isolation for being more clean, not less.

[bemildred]

3. It really is, unless you can "opt out" when you feel like it. nt

[rhett o rick]

13. Funny but the medical community doesnt agree with you.

There is a lot of evidence that prolonged isolation is harmful mentally. No one "likes it". It isnt going to your study and locking yourself in for a couple of hours.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_gawande

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. It makes us Human

We need human connections
even on the internet.

[Jefferson23]

4. Of course it is, do you think Kucinich will get clearance to see Manning?

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Maybe ..... but only if the GOONS are present

Imagine if I wasn't able to post this

OR ON EGYPT
btw......... DU is a major outlet for my stuff

Maybe I can die getting held for nine years
without charges...........and die

Imagine........some of us have just this little outlet

[madokie]

5. Isolation will drive some over the edge so yes I think it would be considered torture.

[defendandprotect]

8. We all know this is torture -- and we all know we are being represented by

corrupt government carrying out this torture --

FREE BRADLEY MANNING -- !!

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. At least we are able to have this conversation

Imagine you couldn't even talk to even your dog?

Of course your dog is not allowed.....

The important revolutions on the planet right now are occurring

not on the media but the internet

Thank you DUers........ and I mean that.

I couldn't imagine being in a cell
where and who where my jailers
were my only input.

[defendandprotect]

12. And if you begin talking to yourself outloud ... next thing you know you're being given

drugs for depression and being force-fed!!

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[Cid_B]

18. The trick to avoid that...

... is not violate your security clearances or your oath or UCMJ...

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[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Now the words ... moving foreword

are censored on Du

Now I know we are alone. and are tortured
by ignorance.

[zaj]

17. Oh please...

[Desertrose]

19. Isolated by choice or isolated by force...BIG difference. nt

[ThomCat]

22. That was not issolation.

He may not have had people around, but he was surrounded by sensory stimulation.

He was not in a sensory deprivation environment.

He was not deprived of every possibility of exercise and movement, and he could move about and explore the area to his heart's content. He could write letters and communicate through letters to people all he wanted, which is communication, no matter how slow it might be.

And, having any pets as company does count as interactions. Anyone who has ever had pets and been close to their pets, knows that they can go a long way towards sustaining you emotionally in tough times. Even if the conversations are one-sided, you get a lot of unconditional support from them. They listen. They respond.

So, all in all, not a very apt analogy for real complete isolation.

[Dokkie]

20. so is detention

and prison food.

[SmileyRose]

21. So what do we do with criminals who are a danger to other prisoners and guards?

I agree that is torture. When we were smaller communities and juries actually knew the person in question people tended to favor hanging over long confinements for just that reason. These days we decided long confinements are preferable to death - but I've read quite a few comments that long confinements are torture. Makes me wonder if we aren't moving back toward death being the most humane alternative in the rare cases that a person just cannot be trusted to refrain from victimizing others.