On the American FAR right

[nadinbrzezinski]

yeah, yeah, I spent more time than they deserve at their supper duper secret places (yes boys the web is quite open and UNLESS you encrypt a site... shh don't give them ideas)

So here is one thing I did notice though... after scanning the sites... yes I have taken a shower since.

The ELIMINATIONIST language has gotten worst, in the proto fascist line that is. These guys are PROTO-FASCISTS, and potentially foot soldiers if we ever got there. They are wanna be thugs who'se fantasy is to eliminate each one of you and me. That IS their fantasy and their true goal.

They use language such as PRIMITIVES, which goes all the way back to oh Nazi Germany... (Yes I just equated them with the Nazis) or for that matter, a few other places where we have had a genocide or two. They have removed all your humanity, and see you that way)

So while yes, they are mostly harmless RIGHT NOW, proper circumstances these are the brown shirts that will take it upon themselves to carry through the mission to cleanse the state from all those foreign and alien forces, including yes... LIBERALISM, either by reeducation, or right out killing. That is why they should not truly be fully ignored.

This is why we have seen a few of the foot soldiers at Jim Robinson site (and I suspect now from the gaggle of successor websites) actually go there and carry out attacks.

So they deserve watching, the same way you watch a snake... they ARE the snake.

Now I am using this as an allusion to an old movie, what came first, the snake or the egg. They are not sub-human. even if they see us as such. They are pretty much like you and me, with some crazy ideas about honor, glory and war... and of course of racial purity. Yes, there is a subtext of their use of language such as primitives, less evolved humans, sub-human,, as well as religious purity, lord that is in spades. Any student of Nazi Germany... knows this, and understands the subtext. I know these idiots would like to call NAZI's socialists, but no boys, they were just as far right wing as YOU are.

Oh and boys... I know you will do a lot of LOLZ o'ver there and high fives, since somebody is finally paying attention to the asylum. But then again, we must pay attention to you... since in the proper conditions you WILL be dangerous.

Oh and links will not be provided. They will get too many jollies out of that. Suffice it to say you too can find them...

[provis99]

1. I enjoy your righteous rage.

As for me, it's always a contest between believing they are merely profoundly stupid, or actually deviously malevolent. Maybe both?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. In a way both

they are though the base where you get thugs when the conditions are right... aka a strong leader takes over.

[DBoon]

5. or when some heavy duty corporate financing starts supporting them

German industry was darkly afraid of the German Communists and Social Democrats, and was willing to make a bargain with the Nazis as a result

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I fear that is already under way

Cough *KOCH*, cough

[walldude]

3. K&R... they remind me of the Nazi in Inglorious Basterds

when he is justifying his hatred for Jews with his hatred for rats.

The funny thing is who is the primitive here.. the person who thinks rationally or the person who thinks that the solution to all their problems is KILL.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well I will just go where the term comes from

straight from Der Sturmer.

[Buns_of_Fire]

7. There's too many @#$%^&*()_+!@ snakes in this @#$%^&*()_+!@ country!

Sorry. Today's my "Channel Samuel L. Jackson" Day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. That was funny

Thanks for the laugh... and appropriate.

[madinmaryland]

9. Well, the name "cave" represents them quite well in their mother's basement

typing out their filth.

BTW, I am the "rabid terrapin primitive"

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Among other places...

[madrchsod]

10. funny i was just at the biggest far right site on the internet....

i was doing some research on the EDL

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Remember to take a shower

:-)

[madrchsod]

49. eye wash....

[leftstreet]

12. Meh. 10 bucks says half the people at those sites are trolls

Bored provocateurs having a laugh, making them sound nutty enough to not be taken seriously

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Discount them at your peril

[leftstreet]

24. The trolls prevent true conservatives from being heard

The racist, sexist, bigoted nonsense drives fiscally conservative people away

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I will say it again, ignore then at your peril

They simply want you and me dead. As to them driving people away. they all agree on this. They ain't driving nobody away from those sites.

[leftstreet]

26. Fiscally conservative people worried about the economy want us dead?

My goodness

Well...so much for any of them signing up here to see what we all might have in common

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. They don't post at those sites

you really have no clue who I am talking about, do you?

[leftstreet]

28. Exactly!

That was my point

I suggested that the people you're talking about are largely provocateurs, or bored people with a sense of humor.

Truly scary reichwing bark-at-your-own-shit nutters are probably posting on forums none of us can access!

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. No they are not, they are as funny as these guys

At one time they were at the local bar drinking heavily, and talking smack. They were under estimated. Do I need to show you the result of being ignored?

If you chose to laugh, go ahead, I am not.

[leftstreet]

31. Well, uh, thank you for keeping us abreast of all these things

You seem really into it and most of us don't have the time or inclination to develop any sort of expertise

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. What a basic command of history?

[leftstreet]

42. No, the study of neo-nazi movement / discussion forum synthesis

and its related uh whatevers

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. So we should ignore them? Until when?

When will they rise to the category of actually dangerous to you?

[Honeycombe8]

14. You speak wisdom and not paranoia, nadin.

I am not a conspiracy-paranoia type of person. But I'm getting pretty nervous about those far-right militia, rabid people. Crosshairs and "2nd Amendment rights" being used to get your way, when an election doesn't go your way. The shocking signs we've seen the last year or so at so-called rallies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I know right now they are mostly harmless

but in the right conditions they are the ground troops.

Foretaste was the stomping of head at the Rand Paul Rally, and of course this

[Honeycombe8]

17. I do believe you're right. I am concerned. nt

[madinmaryland]

18. That picture looks a lot like some of our gungeon members.

:scared:

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Well this is actually scarier

[madinmaryland]

30. Definitely, the gungeon!

[Capitalocracy]

48. Worse than 2nd amendment rights...

2nd amendment "remedies"

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. BINGO!

Why those who did not come armed THIS TIME, should be taken seriously.

[starroute]

20. These people have a weird obsessive-compulsive streak

They're totally hung up on notions of corruption and purity. That's where the eliminationist rhetoric comes from -- they see the world in terms of disease and decay that has to be purged. Just as the Nazis were.

So yes, they are dangerous. But their obsessions aren't merely political -- they're more of the wash-your-hands-20-times-a-day type. And that's not something that can be dealt with rationally.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Yes, yes they do

and why we should pay a little more attention to the puppet masters that can get the puppets going.

[JoePhilly]

22. Most of them are cowards who want to feel important ... and wish they had more power

over others. Particularly those who do not ascribe to their world view.

There is currently not a leader among them who could start the revolution they pray for. The best they can currently muster are the occasional Timothy McVea's.

What they want, and pray for, is for the state to tell them that they have that power you describe. So that they can act violently against an unarmed enemy of "primitives" with the blessing of the state.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Exactly, but they should not be ignored

why I posted, for the moment they are MOSTLY harmless.. Roeder, McVeigh come to mind.

[Capitalocracy]

33. It can happen here...

You can find plenty of references to these people basically saying they would support - or are planning - non-democratic power structures, basically military coups in the U.S. Some of them even claim to have "high-ranking military officials" on their side ready to take over when it becomes necessary.

It's all just a fantasy, I'm assuming, but the framework is there in case someone serious ever wanted this to happen. But right now the fascists are kind of in charge anyway, we pretty much have the illusion of a democracy instead of an actual one, and that's even better for them than a real dictatorship.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Absolutely, it is a fantasy right now

but the framework is there.

[Capitalocracy]

37. And it could lead to a lot more violence

and bad government before it turns into an outright dictatorship.

I actually think the academic question of whether or not we already live under a fascist state is very much up for debate. I think we live in a capitalocracy - government by whoever controls (not necessarily owns) the most money

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. There is a term for that: OLIGARCHY

and yes, we are there.

[pinboy3niner]

45. Apparently, there is an alternate spelling...

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Yep from one of our "teachers."

Thanks, I needed that

[Toon Me Out]

41. you're right on about their support for that kind of state!

They want to run this country with guns and bibles--not the Constitution--even though they're always citing the Constitution.

[Capitalocracy]

47. Apparently they tried it under FDR.

The guy they wanted to become the de facto military president turned them in. Oops.

[Toon Me Out]

35. A figurative "Illinois Nazi"...

...does indeed evolve.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Indeed... we may not get a Putch

but they are in the system now

[Toon Me Out]

39. that beer hall putsch...

...is occurring if you look at the blind fury and language of their li'l uprising.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. I am aware, but some are already in the highest

places of government *Rand Paul* and a few others... Bachmann... also comes to mind

So it is not quite repeating itself... though what is, is the very wealthy supporting these groups, whether it is the 1930s, or the Koch brothers... both in the 1950s and now.

[defendandprotect]

44. Too many Americans think Nazi/fascist surge is over ... Watergate is over ....

the coup on JFK and our people's government is over --

but it's not!

Agree with you -- imo, we're watching the rise of the Fourth Reich --

[janet118]

51. It's good to listen to what the fascists are saying and expose them . . .

but how do you get across to the general public that these people do indeed have the money, power and will to carry out the subversion of democracy?

And what exactly could the German people have done to stop fascism when the majority just wanted to live out their lives without paying attention to politics?

Finally, what can those who think this current strain of right-wing theofascism is frightening, dangerous and insane do when most people around them still believe that the mass media, which gives unwarranted credence and respectability to the likes of Bachmann, Beck and Palin, is a "free press"?

"The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway.

I do not speak of your 'little men', your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to.

Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about-we were decent people-and kept us so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machination of the 'national enemies', without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us."

- from They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer