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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:20 AM
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Borosage: The Reagan Ruins. Celebration of his 100th birthday begins in March.
Impressed by this article by Robert Borosage of Campaign for America's Future. It's quite true. It is almost automatic that Ronald Reagan is considered the president to which all other presidents are compared.

The Reagan Ruins

The celebration of Ronald Reagan's 100th birthday doesn't come until early March, but the devotions have been going on for years. For conservatives, Reagan is the lodestar, the genial demigod to whom all must avow fealty. In a Time cover story, Michael Scherer and Michael Duffy suggest that Obama considers Reagan "The Role Model." Richard Norton Smith, writing about the "Reagan Revelation," attributes Obama's uptick in the polls because he's been "acting positively Reaganesque," reaching out to the business community, scoring bipartisan victories on tax cuts, delivering a sermon in Tucson that Smith calls "worthy of the Great Communicator at his most consoling."


Borosage then proceeds to point out some of the harm Reagan did to this country.

Before we go too far down this road, it is worth a reality check. Reagan, no doubt, was a transformational president. His presidency marked the beginning of 30 years of conservative domination of our politics, although Rick Perlstein argues persuasively that Nixonland tilled the soil of racial and cultural division that Reagan cultivated. (Not by accident did Reagan open his campaign in the unreachable Philadelphia, Mississippi, previously known only as the site of the infamous murders of civil rights workers Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney, where he announced his belief in "state's rights").


Reagan advocated low taxes.

Low taxes turned into successive tax cuts for the rich. Reagan believed in the voodoo of the Laffer Curve, that cutting top-end taxes would generate more revenue. One thing it generated was inequality. The great leveling that marked the post-Cold War years came to an end under Reagan, as the wealthiest Americans began capturing ever greater portions of the nation's income. Today, the wealthiest 1 percent captures about 23 percent of the income, and control more wealth than the bottom 90 percent of Americans, and captured a staggering two-thirds of the rewards of growth in the last "recovery" form 2002-2007. This is the true Reagan legacy.


Reagan pushed for free trade, and our Democratic think tanks quickly took up the mantra.

Free trade was the label affixed to a trade policy defined by and for multinational companies and banks. Under Reagan, America began shipping jobs rather than goods abroad. When Reagan fired the PATCO strikers, he signaled to corporate America that it was open season on unions. The combination was lethal for America's manufacturing base -- and for the family wage that was the signature of America's broad middle class.


I remember that day clearly when he went on the air and fired the PATCO workers. It was like a chill went through me.

Deregulation and a strong military were two other things he pushed. They were as well taken up by the Democratic leaders. It's like we never looked back.

Reagan was his most hypocritical when he used the "family values" folks to get elected, and then pretty much ignored them.

Family values, the Republican reach to the evangelical right, were cynically used to divide Americans, not unite them, targeting blacks, women (or feminazis in Rush Limbaugh's lingo), and gays. Reagan, steeped in the ways of Hollywood, was the utter cynic. He was the only divorced man to occupy the White House, was at best a distant parent, and generally avoided going to church. While he pandered to the Christian right, he was never very serious about pursuing their agenda.


The greatest harm done by Ronald Reagan was to the field of education. I hate to keep repeating this, but his policies were continued by both parties. The dismantling of public education began under Reagan when he published his Nation at Risk report.

The demeaning of public education began under Reagan. It has worked well.

As CA governor:

He called protesting students "brats," "freaks," and "cowardly fascists." And when it came to "restoring order" on unruly campuses he observed, "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement!"

Several days later four Kent State students were shot to death.
In the aftermath of this tragedy Mr. Reagan declared his remark was only a "figure of speech." He added that anyone who was upset by it was "neurotic." One wonders if this reveals him as a demagogue or merely unfeeling. Governor Reagan not only slashed spending on higher education. Throughout his tenure as governor Mr. Reagan consistently and effectively opposed additional funding for basic education. This led to painful increases in local taxes and the deterioration of California's public schools.


More about his policies as president.

William Bennett, the President's demagogic Secretary of Education, took the lead in this. He toured the nation making unprecedented and unprincipled attacks on most aspects of public education including teacher certification, teacher's unions and the "multi-layered, self-perpetuating, bureaucracy of administrators that weighs down most school systems." "The Blob" was what Bennett dismissively called them.

Three years into his first term Mr. Reagan's criticism of public education reached a crescendo when he hand picked a "blue ribbon" commission that wrote a remarkably critical and far-reaching denunciation of public education. Called "A Nation At Risk," this document charged that the US risked losing the economic competition among nations due to a "... rising tide of (educational) mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people." (The commissioners did not consider the possibility that US firms were uncompetitive because of corporate mismanagement, greed and short sightedness.)After "A Nation At Risk" the nation's public schools were fair game for every ambitious politician or self-important business boss in the country. Its publication prompted a flood of follow-up criticism of public education as "blue ribbon" and "high level" national commissions plus literally hundreds of state panels wrote a flood of reform reports. Most presupposed that the charges made by Mr. Reagan's handpicked panel were true. Oddly though, throughout this entire clamor, parental confidence in the school's their children attended remained remarkably high. Meanwhile Mr. Reagan was quietly halving federal aid to education.

That sums up Mr. Reagan's educational legacy. As governor and president he demagogically fanned discontent with public education, then made political hay of it. As governor and president he bashed educators and slashed education spending while professing to valued it. And as governor and president he left the nation's educators dispirited and demoralized.


Today the public schools continue to be defunded rapidly, teachers continue to be treated with contempt by both parties.

So in March his legacy will be celebrated.

I agree with Robert Borosage in his article posted above.

So let's celebrate Ronald Reagan's style. He was a great communicator, an aw shucks American original, a genial optimist. He was a transformational president who launched America on a misguided, 30-year experiment with market fundamentalism. But let's not forget the reality. His race bait politics of division were inherited from the dark side of Nixon. And his conservatism has cost this country dearly.


Our party never fought back against his particularly harmful brand of conservatism, and it has taken a deep hold on our country.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:45 AM
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1. To make it clear I am very impressed by his son, Ron.
I will probably buy his new book.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/books/2014119495_br04reagan.html


Michael, I am not impressed with at all.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:56 AM
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2. Reagan was a criminal and should have gone to jail along with Casper Weinberger.
Despite their many public lies about the matter, it was eventually proven that the Sales of weapons to Iran, followed by illegal financial support of the Central American Contras were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, and national security advisers Robert C. McFarlane and John M. Poindexter. Of these officials, only Weinberger and Shultz dissented from the policy decision. Weinberger eventually acquiesced and ordered the Department of Defense to provide the necessary arms. Large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials in an attempt to cover up the administration's extensive corruption.

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Reagan.html
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:07 PM
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21. hmm...
You forgot to mention Ollie North, that pathetic knuckle-dragging tartuffe who still carries water for the conservatives and Republicans.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:35 AM
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3. I'm always disgusted with the way Reagan is treated like
some sort of demigod. I think his administration ushered in an era that has done great damage to the working/middle class of this country. His legacy is a total idealization by those who continue to worship him. He was certainly conservative, but some of the things he did would make him an outcast in today's Republican Party. That's how far to the right they've moved.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:16 AM
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9. Yup !
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:53 AM
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4. K &R!
n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:00 AM
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5. I think the Democratic Party should start running against the tenets
of Reagan again. I'm planning to write about the Reagan deity this weekend.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:44 PM
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26. If they didn't start to revolt against Reaganism after the roof of the Reagandome fell in in 2008
they never will, in my opinion.

Reaganism: it's like your whole country has Alzheimer's. One of the consequences is that the Democratic Party has a total memory lapse about who it is, where it came from and who has kept it alive, while Ronnie's Kids were destroying the country.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:02 AM
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6. This thread deserves to be the top K&R thread of all time.
Trickle down doesn't work for the majority of Americans.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:15 AM
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7. "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement!"
Our party hasn't fought back since November 22, 1963.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:39 AM
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12. And then came Kent State.
I think you may be right, there is little fight left.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:24 AM
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8. Let's say the same thing with a toon...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:19 PM
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16. That's pretty devastating. (nt)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:54 PM
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39. The day he fired the PATCO workers I will never forget.
He was so arrogant. And union busting has continued.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:48 PM
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43. Really, once again has to be said: middle class workers voted too often
against their own self-interests.

They fell for the soothing, reassuring duplicity.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:39 AM
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10. Ozymandias
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:52 AM
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11. Reagan was a B-grade actor who played the greatest role of his life.
He has been glorified by the right wing for years, not because he was a great President, but because he gave the impression of being Presidential. It was all an act and a smoke screen for what was really going on. His admirers did not want to know the truth then and do not want to know the truth now. They are more than happy to live in la-la land with the personna that has been carefully cultivated over the years to make them feel good about being duped.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:34 PM
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13. Yep, a "carefully cultivated" personna...that was Reagan.
:hi:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:41 PM
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17. They are more than happy to live in la-la land
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 01:41 PM by AlbertCat
Especially since they were making 10 point something % on their CDs! They'll never forget that!

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:11 PM
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23. Yes...
Just think of the cognitive dissonance that would render catatonic all those poor deluded souls...

(I'm jelly that you're in Arkansas. Can't wait to get back there.)
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:54 PM
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27. As president of SAG, he used blacklisting for his own ends
To eliminate many more talented performers, who were making hacks like him look bad.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:59 PM
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31. I had not realized what a big role he played in the blacklisting. Found this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Actors_Guild

"The blacklist years

In October 1947, a list of suspected communists working in the Hollywood film industry were summoned to appear before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC), which was investigating Communist influence in the Hollywood labor unions. Ten of those summoned, dubbed the "Hollywood Ten", refused to cooperate and were charged with contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Several liberal members of SAG, led by Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Danny Kaye, and Gene Kelly formed the Committee for the First Amendment (CFA) and flew to Washington, DC, in late October 1947 to show support for the Hollywood Ten. (Several of the CFA's members, including Bogart, Edward G. Robinson, and John Garfield later recanted, saying they had been "duped", not realizing that some of the Ten were really communists.)

The pistol-packing president of SAG – future United States President Ronald Reagan – also known to the FBI as Confidential Informant "T-10", testified before the committee but never publicly named names. Instead, according to an FBI memorandum in 1947: "T-10 advised Special Agent (name deleted) that he has been made a member of a committee headed by Mayer, the purpose of which is allegedly is to 'purge' the motion-picture industry of Communist party members, which committee was an outgrowth of the Thomas committee hearings in Washington and subsequent meetings . . . He felt that lacking a definite stand on the part of the government, it would be very difficult for any committee of motion-picture people to conduct any type of cleansing of their own household".<4> Subsequently a climate of fear, enhanced by the threat of detention under the provisions of the McCarran Internal Security Act, permeated the film industry. On November 17, 1947, the Screen Actors Guild voted to force its officers to take a "non-communist" pledge. On November 25 (the day after the full House approved the ten citations for contempt) in what has become known as the Waldorf Statement, Eric Johnston, president of the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), issued a press release: "We will not knowingly employ a Communist or a member of any party or group which advocates the overthrow of the government of the United States by force or by any illegal or unconstitutional methods."

None of those blacklisted were proven to advocate overthrowing the government – most simply had Marxist or socialist views. The Waldorf Statement marked the beginning of the Hollywood blacklist that saw hundreds of people prevented from working in the film industry. During the height of what is now referred to as McCarthyism, the Screen Writers Guild gave the studios the right to omit from the screen the name of any individual who had failed to clear his name before Congress. At a 1997 ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the Blacklist, the Guild's president made this statement:

"Only our sister union, Actors Equity Association, had the courage to stand behind its members and help them continue their creative lives in the theater. ... Unfortunately, there are no credits to restore, nor any other belated recognition that we can offer our members who were blacklisted. They could not work under assumed names or employ surrogates to front for them. An actor's work and his or her identity are inseparable. Screen Actors Guild's participation in tonight's event must stand as our testament to all those who suffered that, in the future, we will strongly support our members and work with them to assure their rights as defined and guaranteed by the Bill of Rights."
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:50 PM
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14. What still amazes me though...
is how left leaning the country still is after 30 years of conservative demagoguery.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:52 PM
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15. That is the power of the media that keeps telling us we are right leaning.
You are so right. The country is overall left leaning in spite of all the propaganda.

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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:45 PM
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18. K&R -- RR was among our WORST presidents
The deification of him makes me want to :puke:
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:43 PM
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42. No, not the worst.How about 2nd worst after bush.
Coming soon to Mt. Rushmore: The second worst president, EVER!
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:06 PM
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44. I said AMONG the worst
We all know who is the
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Worst.
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President.
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Ever.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:58 PM
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19. Our party became particpants...actively. No need to reiterate
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 02:59 PM by Jefferson23
the Clinton contributions here, we know them all too well.

One thing we'll never never know that I think of when Reagan is celebrated is George H Bush and what
would have happened if he had won the primary. Possible he would have lost the WH but if he had won
I wonder if the insanity we know presently could have been averted.

Bush called out Reagan's economics as voodoo, he was pro choice, and his foreign policy
regarding the expansion of settlements in Israel he was willing to challenge b/c he knew
if he did not the US would have no credibility as an honest broker in the ME.

I am not presenting the aforementioned as a ringing endorsement for Bush, yet, there existed
significant differences during the primary run, what happened instead we are still paying
a heavy price for. There are no moderate Republicans left and Obama has gone to the right
as a Democrat.

Public funded elections one day is my hope, for us all.

on edit for spelling.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:00 PM
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28. Yes
"Public funded elections".
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:19 PM
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32. Yes, because it was the unholy union of the GOP and the Moral Majority that doomed us
Yes, we NEED public funded elections. "Campaign finance reform" just isn't going to cut it.

The born-again vote and corporate money gave us the Reagan Myth.

TEAR DOWN THIS MYTH.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:26 PM
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34. I like that, Tear Down This Myth..very good! n/t
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 03:03 PM
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46. Thanks, but not mine. It's a book title.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 04:24 PM
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47. Thanks for passing that info on. This snip says a lot:
Thomas Kunkel, dean of the Phillip Merrill College of Journalism at the University of Maryland, wrote that “the initial burst of news coverage would have you believe that Reagan was a cross between Abe Lincoln and Mother Teresa, with an overlay of Mister Rogers.”

Even more troubling, he noted, was the way that right-leaning talk radio lashed out at the few who tried to offer a different perspective on a divisive president. Kunkel added: “Those who weren’t remembering Reagan in the politically approved way – who credited him for his gracious demeanor, say, or sense of humor – were derided as patronizing. And those who actually had the audacity to point out that as president, Reagan alienated millions of people at home and abroad, were blasted as unpatriotic.”

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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:02 PM
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20. Thanks for posting this
K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:16 PM
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24. I always think of Bedtime for Bonzo
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:51 PM
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30. For crying out loud, that turned out to be one horrendous president holding
a future nightmare president in 2000. Yikes, that is creepy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:27 PM
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35. Good point. Heh heh
:hi:
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:29 PM
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36. I couldn't help myself, lol.
:hi:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:36 PM
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38. It would have been better to elect his co-star, the monkey!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:07 PM
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22. Audio of Reagan blaming the protestors for the Kent State violence.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 03:14 PM by madfloridian
These are the students who knew increased involvement in Vietnam would end in more lives lost.

http://newstalgia.crooksandliars.com/gordonskene/kent-state-day-it-got-personal-may-4-1


Picture courtesy of Crooks and Liars

"The reason for the Kent State protest was simple - it was a reaction to our invasion of Cambodia which began on April 29, 1970 - signaling an escalation to our involvement in South East Asia, at a time when we were told by a campaigning Richard Nixon in 1968, that an end to the war in Vietnam was in our sights. As was previously the case, we were lied to and we could see the war stretching on for years more, if not decades more.

Protests were held at college campuses all over the country. It was at Kent State in Ohio where it got violent, with a detachment of National Guard troops firing live ammunition into a crowd of protesters. Prior to this point, police and most National Guard used primarily rubber bullets or blanks, or in the case of shotguns, salt pellets rather than buckshot. In 1970 that seemed to have changed (I hate to say I know from personal experience, but I do).

When the deaths of the students at Kent State reached the national media it sent waves of shock throughout the country prompting, at least in California, Governor Reagan to go on the air and declare all college and university campuses closed for the better part of a week. With an air that was a bit reminiscent of his handling of the PATCO strike years later, Reagan cast doubt that the students killed by the guard were actually students, but "outside agitators" as he eluded in this address. If anything, it helped polarize an already divided situation that much more. The end result being an inquiry into the causes that brought about the death of people innocently protesting something they didn't believe in."

Listen to the speech from 1970.

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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:37 PM
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25. No, thanks...
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 03:38 PM by chervilant
I just could not listen to all of his hateful, patriarchal rhetoric again. Knowing exactly how callous was Reagan during the Kent State tragedy, I couldn't ever wrap my mind around the fact that he was running for president. When he won, I was utterly shocked and dismayed.

Reagan spent more money during his two administrations than all the other presidents prior to him, combined. Our nation ran a trade deficit for the VERY FIRST TIME during Reagan's presidency. AND, one mustn't forget that Uncle Miltie (father of disaster capitalism) was Reagan's economic advisor.

Reagan was the perfect front man for the Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our nation's government and media. The Corporate Megalomaniacs have total control of our global economy, and now drive every significant GLOBAL economic decision. The Corporate Megalomaniacs are sitting in their insular and well-appointed mansions or boardrooms, rubbing their hands together and chuckling with glee. What is it they call us common folk? Bottom feeders? Useless eaters? That anyone respects these "captains of industy" is just beyond my comprehension...

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-11 12:31 PM
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45. I never listened to that whole speech before. It was pretty awful.
I had heard bits and pieces. Not a nice speech.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:25 PM
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29. He was like one big bad nightmare wrapped up in rah rah nationalism.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 04:25 PM by Jefferson23
What a schmuck.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:23 PM
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33. Ok, I see we have some Reagan supporters here.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 05:26 PM by madfloridian
Gone down at least 3 recs the last hour.

That's ok, he really was a good-looking actor type...:) I understand.

oops...make that 4 :)
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:29 PM
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40. Un-unrec'ing
Screw the Gipper!

:hi:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:34 PM
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37. I may have an Ex-Lax filled chocolate cupcake in his honor, just so
I can spend the day mourning his passing.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:31 PM
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41. I'll join ya
Make mine a double!
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