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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 08:56 PM
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Is Porn changing men on a neurological level?
He’s Just Not That Into Anyone


I met the woman at a Broadway show, but the night’s best piece of acting, I’d say, came from me, back at her East Village apartment, after we’d been having sex for about 25 minutes, with Neil Young wailing the song “Comes a Time” from the laptop on her bedside table. The dried-out condom had a full-bodied choke hold on me, but I’d already stopped twice to put on a fresh one, and I knew, as I kept earnestly pumping away, that one more condom wouldn’t make the necessary difference. Had I just given up, things might have played out the way they often did, with shades of confused disappointment and inadequacy on the part of the woman and mumbled apologies and awkward shame from me. But that night, ingenuity struck—unable to actually get off, I found myself flying a fresh route: I faked it.


Why would I, a healthy guy in his thirties, need to fake an orgasm? It was mystifying. I wasn’t on antidepressants, which I’d heard could decrease sensation. I got plenty of exercise. It didn’t seem to matter which woman I was with, or what kind of condom we used, or whether I’d downed one glass of whiskey or ten, or if we listened to Neil Young or Al Green, as I learned through trial and error (mostly error). Over the course of months, I picked a dozen suspects out of the lineup and gradually cleared each one. Except, perhaps, the most obvious.

“Pornography? It’s a new synaptic pathway.” This is what John Mayer said in a candid interview with Playboy. “You wake up in the morning, open a thumbnail page, and it leads to a Pandora’s box of visuals,” he continued. “There have probably been days when I saw 300 vaginas before I got out of bed.”

Porn’s allure and ubiquity isn’t exactly titillating news. The question that still remains, however, is how this tsunami of porn is affecting the libido of the American male or, more selfishly, mine. First I came across a post on Sanjay Gupta’s blog by Ian Kerner, a sexuality counselor, who wrote that he noticed a distinct rise in the number of men approaching him with concerns about delayed ejaculation. Kerner went on to attribute much of the problem to a “rapid proliferation of Internet porn” which leads to “over-masturbation,” something I’m very familiar with. Then I read about a University of Kansas study that found that 25 percent of college-age men said they’d faked orgasms, which, I’ll admit, was oddly comforting to hear. But it wasn’t until I interviewed dozens of men with varying porn-watching habits (and a few very open-minded women) that some unexpected themes began to emerge. Porn is not only shaping men’s physical and emotional interest in sex on a very fundamental neurological level, but it’s also having a series of unexpected ripple effects—namely on women.

For decades, hand-wringers have warned of a porn epidemic that would tear the nation’s moral fabric asunder. But if online porn has spread a sickness, it’s one that’s less like Ebola and more like a midwinter cold. The initial symptom for a lot of guys who frequently find themselves bookmarking their favorite illicit clips appears to be a waning desire for their partners. Jonas*, a 34-year-old ad exec, told me, “I get on SpankWire or X Videos—you could carve ice sculptures with my dick. I take a girl home from the bar, though, and I’ll be up for a minute while she’s going down on me, but once I put a condom on and we start going at it, it’s like the Challenger exploded—all the flags are at half-mast.”

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http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:10 PM
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1. We live in a culture addicted to simulacra. Porn is simply one aspect of this. (nt)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:49 PM
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44. Interesting thought.
Our sex, politics, violence... it's theater, as if all of life was authentic as a pro-wrestling match.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:14 PM
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47. i so agree. this is right on. nt
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:54 AM
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80. i agree.. n/t.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:06 PM
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103. Tend to agree, but I don't exactly find it a bad thing
Simulacra is a good thing - I'd rather have that than a bunch of people trying to reconstruct their fantasies in real life.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:29 PM
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110. I had a whole page of RESPONSE planned in my head, but you said it all in 14 words.
DAMN, you're good!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:12 PM
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2. For a minute
fuddadump pshhh!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:13 PM
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3. Why is it surprising that men fake orgasms occasionally?
It is surprising to me that women think this behavior is the sole province of women.

Why would a man do it? How about for the same reason that women do it -of which there could be many.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:22 PM
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10. Exactly.
It's nice as a married guy now to occasionally say "it's just not going to happen tonight" without having to fake it.

I suspect there are many women who will say "none of my lovers has ever done that". :rofl: Ya, right.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:55 PM
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23. if a man (hubby) isnt wearing a condom, ya..... a woman can tell. nt
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:42 PM
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40. I've done it.
It wasn't porn or overmasturbation, it was the simple realization in the moment that it wasn't what I wanted...but I wanted to have "a conversation" about my sudden loss of interest in sex (specifically with her) in the middle of a casual hookup even less.

So...I took the course of least resistance and faked it. She couldn't tell, the pillowtalk made that obvious.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:16 PM
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4. I Thought Sex Threads Were Banned From The Lounge...
Oh... wait...

Nevermind.

:popcorn:

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:18 PM
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5. I dare say more men fake it than most people expect
I know I've done it. I wouldn't blame porn.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:21 PM
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9. Um...
Nevermind.

:yoiks:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:25 PM
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13. Ummm, nice passive aggression.
If you have a comment to make, make it.... or conversely don't.

What you are doing is being snarky without being brave enough to say anything.

Giving a nudge in the ribs and insinuating something, but without enough confidence to say what you are thinking.

Now that is embarrassing -not the admission by the person you responded to.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:01 PM
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24. Curiously... I'm Not Embarrassed
But I do appreciate the hours of lecturing and scolding that makes up your contribution to this site.

Just how heavy is your rock?



:shrug:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:11 PM
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28. Still no idea what your snarky comment met, but curiously uninterested now. nt
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:43 PM
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20. As a male, I do mot understand that. Never had to fake it in my life!
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 09:44 PM by demosincebirth
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:47 PM
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22. That's okay. Not everyone understands everything.
But that doesn't make it untrue.

But your use of an exclamation mark at the end of your sentence makes me wonder what is going on in your mind when you responded.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:05 PM
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25. That means that I really, really can't fathom, understand , comprehend! nt.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:08 PM
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26. see, i have been married 17 yrs and easy as pie for hubby. i mean.... really easy. lol
i want to hear from more men, cause he doesnt have a tough time.... even sometimes.

is tht what you are saying?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:13 PM
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29. Sounds a lot like men that say "My wife NEVER faked it". LOL. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:15 PM
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30. again, without condom, easy ways for woman to know. men cant fake that. nt
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 10:16 PM by seabeyond
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:19 PM
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33. further, i cant fake it either. i am a terrible liar. and hubby has been with me long enough
he knows.

so how are people doing all this fakin.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:22 PM
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34. 19 years married here and I agree with what you said completely.
And yet it seems there are many women who are happy enough to say that women fake it "half the time" or some such thing...

It just tickles me a little bit (ashamed to say) to hear that women are so taken aback by the fact that men also may fake it (albeit rarely) in order to satisfy their partners emotionally or for other reasons.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:50 AM
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64. I once faked NOT wanting sex
longest

5

minutes

ever
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:39 AM
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67. lol.
after all these years, we have learned regardless if we are even thinking about it, if one wants it, a moment of play and both are into it.... it is all good

when not playing games.

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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:24 PM
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36. My wife has never once faked it.
She's got absolutely NO problem letting me know that just because I'm finished, it doesn't mean she is.

She's also got a more active libido than I do, which is a part, and zero sexual hang-ups. Overall, our ability to communicate about the bedcroom is one of our strong suits as a couple; many of my friends are jealous at our level of honesty and openess.
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:06 PM
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82. You don't have to fake when your married.
Hubby's know that their wives are complicated and some nights it's just not gonna happen & it's not anyone's fault. And if you can talk about it that is GREAT.

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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:09 PM
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116. The posters here are overcomplicating one aspect
I think one issue is simple. Lots of porn + too much beating off = difficulty reaching climax, period. Especially as the man gets older and has come within a few hours or a day before. Call it a bad design if you will bit it's normal. Show me a guy who has a steady SO, and the SO likes lots of sex, like daily or more than once daily, adn I will show you a guy who is going to shoot blanks occassionally. There is nothing wrong with that, and what is happening to the guy's body is exactly the same as if he was watching porn and masturbating regularly. Again, no big deal. If he can't come he should just tell his partner "hey honey, I'm all dried up tonight." No reason to lie. I don't.

The other issue is more complicated. I do think porn watching can mess up a guy's relationship with real women--literally and figuratively. I have dated women who got divorced because their exes had basically become addicts. Some women have told me that the guy wanted to try all kids of crazy stuff that was not even on the horizon when they met but started happenin because of porn. Again, anything extreme is bad. I think that's all that needs to be said in closing.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:22 PM
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117. agree.
i dont have the issue in my personal life, but i have seen it with others i know and love. it has not been an innocent thing. the porn in those three occassions have been about belittling wife, control, power over. that is an aspect ignored. but i cannot believe i have been the only one to see this in relationships.

when women are leaving men because they are addicted (divorce lawyers state HUGE increase for reason of divorce) and the men say, dont want to lose family, but cant/wont stop, well.... that is a side issue to porn
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:32 PM
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126. well said
sometimes the well is dry. Doesn't mean anything more than that.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:10 PM
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27. Well here is a possible scenario.
A man is tired. His partner 'finishes' first. The man takes too long and wants his partner to think (because he is trying to be over-considerate) that she is doing a 'great job' and so fakes it to allow her to continue to feel that way... and not have to keep going... Is that a scenario that you could fathom? Even if it never happened to you yet?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:06 AM
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74. BTDT. Oh yes, I have.
It's not uncommon at all. I've had partners who were upset with themselves over my inability to orgasm. It's a bit of a double-bind when when one's main desire is to make their partner happy...
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:47 PM
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42. Really?
Okay, mentally role-play this:

You're hot and heavy, things are going super-well, you're almost there and she leans in, gently kisses you on the neck and breathily-whispers in your ear. Pretend I'm Ann Coulter.

This sick feeling in your bowels doesn't make you want to bail-out post-haste?
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:51 AM
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54. Most times when I post "LOL!" I'm actually faking - I don't really laugh out loud
This time, though? Genuine guffaw... :)
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:01 PM
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81. now this post is really funny. n/t.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:41 AM
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62. As a woman, this is surprising news that men sometimes fake it!
I had no idea.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:48 PM
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98. As an old lady I can safely tell you, it will probably happen at some point in your life,
and it's ok, and it's perfectly natural if it does happen. If it does not happen, that is actually exceptional, and you can go ahead and put it on your resume, if you like.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:19 PM
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6. I'm not so sure it is the porn that is affecting this issue...
Porn is wrong for, another reason, but I don't want to litigate this. However, I will wagger that our brothers, uncles, cousins, husbands, sons-our men have been worked to death..... How many men have any real down time to be relaxed long enough to enjoy their meals let alone their sex lives.... We are all on slave mode..... He may be into you... but the poor dear is needing a long vacation....
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:19 PM
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7. yes
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:20 PM
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8. Let me see if I understand...
Delayed male orgasm is a bad thing?

Last time I checked, the complaint was the opposite; Johny getting his rock off in 2 minutes and dozing off, while Sally is just getting into the mood.

:shrug:


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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:43 PM
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21. Exactly.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:52 PM
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45. Ever been with somebody, without orgasm, for two hours? Four?
Eventually, nobody's enjoying it anymore.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:27 AM
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60. I'm just saying, pick your poison nt
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:24 PM
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11. Porn Thread!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:24 PM
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12. yes. there is enough info today. and not just this country.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/index1.html


She was right about the warning, wrong about the outcome. As she foretold, pornography did breach the dike that separated a marginal, adult, private pursuit from the mainstream public arena. The whole world, post-Internet, did become pornographized. Young men and women are indeed being taught what sex is, how it looks, what its etiquette and expectations are, by pornographic training—and this is having a huge effect on how they interact.



But the effect is not making men into raving beasts. On the contrary: The onslaught of porn is responsible for deadening male libido in relation to real women, and leading men to see fewer and fewer women as “porn-worthy.” Far from having to fend off porn-crazed young men, young women are worrying that as mere flesh and blood, they can scarcely get, let alone hold, their attention.



Here is what young women tell me on college campuses when the subject comes up: They can’t compete, and they know it. For how can a real woman—with pores and her own breasts and even sexual needs of her own (let alone with speech that goes beyond “More, more, you big stud!”)—possibly compete with a cybervision of perfection, downloadable and extinguishable at will, who comes, so to speak, utterly submissive and tailored to the consumer’s least specification?

^

The young women who talk to me on campuses about the effect of pornography on their intimate lives speak of feeling that they can never measure up, that they can never ask for what they want; and that if they do not offer what porn offers, they cannot expect to hold a guy. The young men talk about what it is like to grow up learning about sex from porn, and how it is not helpful to them in trying to figure out how to be with a real woman. Mostly, when I ask about loneliness, a deep, sad silence descends on audiences of young men and young women alike. They know they are lonely together, even when conjoined, and that this imagery is a big part of that loneliness. What they don’t know is how to get out, how to find each other again erotically, face-to-face.

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:31 PM
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15. the fact that you're there and you're real trumps porn
i'm sorry but if you're worried about me in the pages of a magazine competing w. you in real life...it ain't abt porn, there's something else wrong
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:38 PM
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19. Sex will never "hold a guy" or fill a loneliness
Having a real relationship outside of sex does that.

Sex is a bonus. Anyone thinking sex is the core of the relationship is doomed regardless of porn.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:26 AM
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65. What exactly does “porn-worthy” mean??
Women of all ages, ethnicities and body styles are well represented...And the quantity (and many times quality) of the amateur girl-next-door or bf/gf filming themselves are FAR more than the glossy, high-production stuff starring the tanned, silicone-heavy 'professionals'... Unless they meant they issue of guys unrealistically expecting every girl as willing and capable of doing the more extreme things every night...
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:27 PM
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95. I've always felt sorry for women who are now dating guys who came of age
with porn at their fingertips. I suspect there are alot of men - especially those with little experience with "real" women - who are surprised when they find out that women really have lumps, bumps, blemishes, hair, odors, sags and jiggly areas.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:30 PM
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14. rolling my eyes for fucks sake i'm sry he can't get off but he;s the problem not porn
porn has existed a lot longer than "a few decades," and i suppose in the name of honesty i should admit i worked in this industry but this dude just has a low sex drive and he would have had the same w. or w/out porn

i'm tired of every evil in the world being blamed on the fact that some of us DARED to give you pleasure

and, yah, some men can't perform while wearing a condom, this isn't exactly late breaking news altho it's unfortunate for them in a world where HIV and other diseases abound...but it was ever thus...
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:33 PM
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16. Can't be doing anything that watching violence isn't doing worse
If movies affect people, and books affect people, and paintings affect people...

Why would porn be magically excluded from this?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:19 PM
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83. i was going to disagree, but you are right there are extremes in all
I've stopped watching a lot of horror movies because they've become s&m movies with the bad guy chasing some half/naked female through endless halls or woods. porn is the same with over reaching sex drives you can tell it's effecting people because they keep pushing more and more boundaries.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:37 PM
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17. I recced this...
because i believe it's worthy of discussion. But i don't think i accept the premise. As an aside, my wife has wondered about porn produced by women and directed by women... anybody have any suggestions?

:shrug:

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:16 PM
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31. There's a very nice site called Blowfish (you can find it
easily by adding a .com) that sells toys, video, etc. They have a nice selection of "Couples videos" that might be just what you're seeking.

It's a fun, sex-positive online store that's hip and stylish and very far away from the old guy in a raincoat type of site.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:52 PM
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51. "Couples porn": another name for "Female oriented porn".
Let's be honest.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 09:37 PM
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18. I'd blame the condom way before I'd blame porn.
Condoms can really be miserable for some people.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:03 AM
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52. +1
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:04 AM
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59. Yeah, you're not allowed to say that.
But it's the truth.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:34 AM
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66. Precisely why I got snipped.
HATE condoms. They smell like rotten eggs and it's like you're pumping at nothing.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:43 PM
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114. amen
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:19 PM
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32. A high brow headline but the article is not about any
kind of science or real study. Just anecdotal stuff about porn and people's sex lives.
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thesush Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:47 PM
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89. Yeah.
Also, in all studies I've seen about desensitization and habituation,
desensitization decays over time. Even if porn has that effect,
I would expect that stopping excessive porn...consumption(?)...
would eventually move someone back to their normal.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:24 PM
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35. I think the author is documenting a few different phenomenon that aren't actually linked.
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 10:29 PM by LostInAnomie
1. The over-watching of porn may have led to a rise in male masturbation (I don't actually think so, but who knows), but that doesn't mean that men are neurologically changed. If we see images that arouse us, it's just going to happen.

2. If someone is masturbating so much that they can't achieve orgasm when having sex, then they need to better time their masturbation if the possibility of sex is looming.

3. Condoms suck. That is just a fact. They greatly reduce sensitivity. They're uncomfortable. And, for many men they can cause the loss of erection. This is nothing new.

I guess if you combine all three separate phenomena you have a guy whacking it to porn so much that he can't get off because he's not sensitive enough achieve orgasm with a condom. But, I think this is more anecdotal than an actual trend.

edit: I'm not familiar with the term "dried out condom", but going from experience I would say that if a condom is drying out that soon neither one of them was that into it.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:40 PM
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39. Agreed, though sometimes the issue with condoms is that the typical
Edited on Thu Feb-03-11 10:45 PM by izzybeans
One is too small. When you find the right one the sensitivity issue goes away. My wife can't take the pill without bad side effects so we went through numerous sizes and brands before finding something. Vasectomy, the best condom yet. Too big equals unsafe same with too small. Some brands are better than others.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:16 PM
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48. snip snip the best... nt
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:33 PM
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85. you killed the little babies. n/t.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:47 PM
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97. My GF uses an IUD
I find Trojan work best for me.
While I was in Europe I tried Durex, but that had unpleasant effects on my skin (that is NOT the place to chafe)

Also... whatever happened to just using Toys?
My ex LOVED when I'd bring out the toys, "before and after".

If you can't get it up (as i've gotten older and fatter ><) i've noticed my equipment is not as cooperative as it used to be.

Ladies, sometimes it's just biology being an asshole.
Get the vibrator, and ask HIM to use it on YOU.

Most guys are going to need to be reassured that it's not as good as him (even if that's a little lie) and that it feels better when he's using it.

Once I got over MY minor inhibition to using toys I found I could give greater pleasure to my partner.
My Ex never complained (I even used that monster she had on her once.... OK little bit of intimidation when your wife uses something that could be called thor jr) when I reached for her toy drawer.

But in the end the sex (great as it mutually was) was not what was important. it was the rest of the time we spent together. the talking, having dinner, cuddling on the couch watching tv... that wasn't taken away by porn, it was too much time online.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:29 PM
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37. What is porn?
And why no pictures in this thread? What are yall hiding?

Imagination is a real tool. Guess some people just can't use both heads to get there from here?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:34 PM
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86. tv commercials n/t.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:32 PM
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118. I hate using that term as well
I personally partake in "erotica"
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:35 PM
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38. No.
n/t
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:42 PM
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41. The meme used to be "What happens when women don't need men anymore?"
It appears , in quite the ironic twist, that the tables may be turning, so I'll ask the question: What happens when men no longer need women?
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 10:47 PM
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43. The single largest growing audience for porn is women.
Stats show that 1/3 of all porn viewers are now women. So if is changing us it is changing both men and women.

Perhaps it is like everything else from facebook, to twitter, to everything else it is making us create our images of what we really want in our mind thus making it less likely we settle for "less that we want."

There is one thing super fascinating about porn worldwide however: without exception the more porn is accepted and available the higher the status of women in that country. The lower the acceptance of porn the lower the status of women. As far as I know there has never been a truly empirical study of this but this is one case where the anecdotal common sense evidence is overwheling. Just think about he countries you know and the status of their women. Then think about that countries acceptance of porn.


I have no clue what is going on here but it is truly a fascinating little tidbit.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:14 PM
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46. The assumption that only men watch porn is an odd one.
My current gf loves porn. I'm frankly bored by it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:43 AM
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76. You are saying in Japan women's status is high? LOL!
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:18 PM
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108. it certainly is
among the tentacle monsters. :shrug:

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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 08:38 PM
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131. What I would question is that Japan's acceptance of porn is truly that high
And I didn't say it is a perfect correlation just a strong correlation.

But if you were to quickly look (and I admit I have} at Japanese porn you would see that there is an underlying difference between Japanese porn and much of the other:

First: they actually pixalate a women's genitalia which is a way of saying that somehow that is a part that is not accepted.

Second: an amazing amount of their porn is truly porn with a violent underlying tone against women. That element exists everywhere of course but it seems to be a big element of Japanese porn. Much of the porn in the West shows women having pleasure with sex while a great deal in Japanese porn actually hints at pain for the woman and a domination of the women by a man. One of the biggest reasons I don't like Japanese porn is because I can rarely find any where the woman ever looks like she is enjoying herself or having pleasure.

Again, it is anecdotal and there has not been a study--but there is strong anecdotal evidence that there is something here overall.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:06 PM
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104. Maybe it's evolutionary.
We are evolving into a species that no longer have any use for EACH OTHER.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:34 PM
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49. Picture/movie on a computer v. actual human body.
If you have trouble being excited by another person, chances are it's not the porn. I've seen so many schlongs in my life, it must be way, way over 10,000 by now, and I never have trouble with reality. Reality feels about a 1000x better.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 11:46 PM
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50. For a small percentage of men, porn becomes addictive, and as a result messes them up sexually. nt
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Toon Me Out Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:13 AM
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53. ANOTHER nymag link >>>
For all ya Porny McPorningtons. (You know who you are.)

>>>> http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:23 AM
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55. It couldn't have anything to do with the ocean of chemicals we all marinade in all day?
Sperm motility has been dropping for decades, is that all about porn too?

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:40 AM
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56. One needs to develop an 'immunity' to porn.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 02:41 AM by The Doctor.
Not that one should be unaffected by it, but that it should be properly compartmentalized. Porn is 'indulgence', while sex, at least in my personal life, is 'performance'.

One is about the self, the other is about giving extravagantly.

The problem, unfortunately, is exactly as we've known for too long; people cannot create distinctions between things that feel the same.

Sex is a wonderful place for us to focus aggression, intimacy, and creativity into another person (or more), while porn and masturbation is much more 'release' and only the formers to a much lesser extent.
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Toon Me Out Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:09 AM
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57. Great Movie Moments with Travis Bickle (Porn Fan)
"The days go on and on… they don’t end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don’t believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people."--Travis Bickle

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:03 AM
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58. The most obscene thing here is treating John Mayer like he's an expert on the human brain.
Guy is an expert on nothing except musical suckitude. He's like a lukewarm Dave Matthews, and yes that is redundant.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:34 AM
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61. Looking at porn isn't the problem, but masturbating to it 5 times during the day....
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 08:10 AM by cbdo2007
and then having to perform at night, is going to give a lot of guys a problem of not being able to perform.

I could look at porn for a few hours and NOT masturbate and it actaully greatly enhances both erection and ejaculation during intimate times with my wife later.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 11:01 AM
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79. Yeah. I mean, if you're releasing several times during the day, you won't have anything left.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:43 AM
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63. This could explain the problems Japanese men are having
There was an article recently about large numbers of young Japanese men being disinterested in sex, and that being part of the problem with the falling birth rate. I know they read a lot of porn and presumably watch it as well.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:06 AM
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68. Isn't that Heather Carolin on the cover?
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 09:06 AM by FormerDittoHead
;-)



Guy has one bad night using a condom (what man would WANT to use a condom?) and suddenly we have a porn problem in our society.

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:24 AM
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69. There are a thousand reasons for men to be anorgasmic. Here's one we don't talk about.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 09:26 AM by GliderGuider
I have an interesting reason that has nothing whatever to do with porn, that I bet is shared by a lot of caring men out there.

When I was a boy going through puberty in the early 60s, I went through my parents' library as boys will do, looking for information and maybe a bit of unexpected titillation. They had a lot of books with interesting titles that I pulled down and devoured. Titles like "The Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir, “The Feminine Mystique” by Betty Friedan, then later on “The Female Eunuch” by Germaine Greer, articles by Gloria Steinem – a whole litany of publications by feminist writers.

I was horrified by what I discovered about my gender. Apparently men on the whole lacked empathy to such a degree that during sex all we cared about was achieving our own orgasm and then immediately going to sleep, leaving behind frustrated, miserable partners who were quietly going mad from our selfishness, lack of caring and respect. We were incapable of reaching out of our own self-absorbed bubbles to nurture the needs of the women we professed to love. Even our professions of love were suspect, since we mainly used them as a tool to get sex purely for our own gratification. Over and over I heard the complaint about men caring only about their own orgasm and then going to sleep immediately upon achieving it

This was too much for my young heart to bear. I made a vow to myself that I would not turn out like those hated patriarchal oppressors, and the way I would start would be by making sure my sex partners would always come before I did. Once I actually got around to having sex a number of years later, I put my vow into practice with a vengeance. My partners were always pleasantly surprised as I sublimated my own desire for orgasm into the more abstract pleasure of ensuring theirs. Even when I did come it was a perfunctory affair, and I made absolutely sure I didn’t go to sleep afterwards.

It came as a rude surprise later on when some women confided that my inability to orgasm left them feeling unattractive, incompetent and insecure. It has been a long road back, because I had de-trained myself so thoroughly that having a satifactory orgasm left me feeling anxious and disappointed in myself. Fortunately, all these years later, I finally have a partner who has helped me to reclaim my orgasmic birthright by helping me to accept myself as a full, vital human being with nothing left to prove. Just in time for my advancing age to take its inevitable toll :-(

So while it might be satisfying to blame porn, that is only one factor in what is, after all, a very complex set of human behaviours. There’s little to be gained, IMO, from focussing too closely on the impact of porn. Aside from the orgasmic sensation of moral opprobrium, of course.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:37 AM
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70. excellent post, which goes way beyond the porn issue.
conditioning, roles....

women nag and honey do lists... i refuse. because it demands that our females are this, i refuse to EVER do either, regardless of necessity, i dont want the label. hubby begs me for a honey do and i refuse. he even pretends i give him honey dos to his males, cause that is the cutsey role men play, yet still... i say NO>

i dropped those conditioned gender roles that we are all being fed in raising two boys. it is wonderfully freeing for them to see self and others as people, not gender by societal role playing....

interesting perspective. i agree. i have gotten this from men. but i tell ya, and them, when the time comes, NEVER put it off. take it and then if there is need to help partner along the way, yea.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:37 AM
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71. Hey, I just noticed that my reply above is #69 (inert puerile comment here) nt
:evilgrin:
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:46 AM
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72. Interesting point....I'm somewhat similar and I'll add that without porn I would have no idea how to
pleasure a woman and give her an orgasm.

Once I learned how to give a woman an orgasm, that is definitely my main focus during sex so it's true that many times I won't be aroused while focusing on my wife just because I'm so focused on giving her an orgasm. After she's finished, I'm ready and we go from there. Getting her off is part of getting me aroused.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:17 PM
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94. I'm not too proud to admit that "adult material" provided me
with a kind of "how-to" guide when it comes to giving pleasure as well, when I was considerably younger and more naive in the ways of the world! Of course, a lot this goes to the specific genre.

I know that the topic of "humiliation porn", in which the woman essentially becomes a "canvas", in a manner of speaking, for a variety of bodily functions on the part of the male performers, has been discussed here. That particular genre has never done anything for me, nor do I ever seek it out, so I can't really speak on the part of those who do enjoy that...
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:17 PM
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105. There is no music sweeter than that of my partner as I pleasure them
male or female (Tho I prefer the intoxicating tones my Exwife and my current girlfriend make.

Sometimes, it's also the woman you are trying to please as well...

My Ex took 1-2 hours to please. I figured i was simply doing something wrong.

My gf begs me to stop after 30 minutes and several orgasms.

The reality is some women are damned near impossible to please.
that can't be blamed on porn. that's simple biology.
My gf is multi orgasmic, my ex wasn't.

Some women have "it" more than others.

What turn(ed)s me on about my EX and my GF is WHO they are more than their bodies.
There are physical traits I like (on men and women), but it's the person more than the body for me most of the time.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:59 AM
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78. Thank you for posting that. This is one of the reasons why I still regularly read DU.
The things people share, and the insights they can give about a topic are just incredible. Thank you.

PB
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:50 AM
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73. Yes.
no doubt that it is...
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:27 AM
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75. I'm not buying this quote from "Jonas"...

“I get on SpankWire or X Videos—you could carve ice sculptures with my dick. I take a girl home from the bar, though, and I’ll be up for a minute while she’s going down on me, but once I put a condom on and we start going at it, it’s like the Challenger exploded—all the flags are at half-mast.”


Unless "Jonas" is a hack magazine writer this is just badly written fiction. :rofl:
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:56 AM
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77. I faked an orgasm once... I remember it vividly...
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 10:58 AM by OneTenthofOnePercent
Because it was about the 3rd time going at it in an hour. She was still going and faking it the third time seemed the path of least resistance rather than awkwardly stoping. I got NO idea how women can climax over and over and over... for guys it's like a hotdog after about 2 times.

edit:

There was this other time I was getting a BJ and the girl was terrible. I considered faking it but then decided to tell her straight up she was bad at it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:43 PM
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87. about ten posts i believe and men/boys follow peer think that rivals any girl peer think
not a gender thing. a character thing
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:47 PM
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90. not really sure if i am getting your post. but yes... both genders
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 12:48 PM by seabeyond
equally have loners. and both genders have those that are not into games. especially as we mature and age. you know, grow up
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 12:52 PM
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:52 PM
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99. i didnt know we were disagreeing. your posts are not clear stating, well.... anything.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 01:53 PM by seabeyond
waht are you suggesting? that people cannot be without playing games? or that a particular gender play games?

i dont know what your position is, to agree with or disagree.

perception of what?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:34 PM
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111. thanks for the clarification.
i guess it is all relative. men may be more egotistical when it comes to sex, but i am not sure about that from personal experience. there is the desire to please as a man stated above. i know it has always been a priority with hubby. i tell him not to worry, i will make sure i get mine. i have heard other men mention it on this thread. so my thought would suggest that they do feel a pressure to think beyond self.

i do agree that with the prolification of porn that girls are thinking/being conditioned they must accept or behave in ways they may not be comfortable with. i think that is a sad part of all this. so i agree there. but i also think the porn conditions the guys the same, to have unrealistic expectations.

the barbie comment is certainly offensive, if you see a whole gender as that

but the ego itself takes over of men behaving certain ways that are not specifically true to self. get a group of males together and watch how ego manifests where they are all in the same kinda mentality you suggest with women. they are awfully concerned what their fellow males think of them. and raising two boys, i assure you, i see no difference on their concern how girls view them....

hence, comment.... not gender specific.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:41 PM
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:24 PM
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124. gosh....
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 05:34 PM by seabeyond
i read the words. i know the definition. but sure is hard to know what you are talking about in your posts.

"diverse set of interests within them than you did for yourself at their age?" i am sure i find this really interesting, if i knew what you wanted.

i was calif 70's and 80's in my teens and young adult. reno, single, female. fun fun.

i am not sure what you are talking about here. on the other hand, the information world is opened up to kids today that we didnt have in the past. so diversity is huge compared to my day.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:00 PM
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92. Small Anecdotal Sample
but my observation has been that avid pornsters tend to leave something to be desired in the bedroom department and seem to enjoy it less themselves. Just sayin'...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:04 PM
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93. I read that issue, but what concerns me the most is this:
They Know What Boys Want

“I wouldn’t mind if they said ‘Send me a picture of you.’ But it’s like the way they ask for it. Naked?” An after-school conversation with girls about sex and the Internet.

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“Porn,” she adds, slumping down in her chair. “That really teaches kids a lot. A lot more than they should be knowing. And that goes through the mind, I guess. And it’s, like, that’s how some girls get raped or something crazy.”

That happened to a friend, Star says softly. Suddenly the table gets very, very quiet.

This is the paradoxical fear of many heterosexual 14-year-old girls: that the Internet is making boys more aggressive sexually—more accepting of graphic images or violence toward women, brasher, more demanding—but it is also making them less so, or at least less interested in the standard-issue, flesh-and-bone girls they encounter in real life who may not exactly have Penthouse proportions and porn-star inclinations. (“If you see something online, and the girls in your neighborhood are totally different, then it’s, um … different,” one 14-year-old boy tells me.) This puts young women in the sometimes uncomfortable position of trying to bridge the gap.

http://nymag.com/news/features/70977/

I found this article so depressing. These are kids who should be just starting to experiment with their sexuality, not be exposed to hardcore pornography. If they become so jaded before they even get to high school, what kind of relationships will they have as adults?

:(
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:33 PM
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96. Is Porn changing men on a neurological level?
Probably no more than vibrators change women.

Human beings are highly adaptable. Once you get used to one thing, it isn't that difficult to retrain your brain to something new.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 01:57 PM
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100. How does a man fake an orgasm?
When a man orgasms, semen is expelled. How can you fake that? And what's worse is that the women buy it.

And the reason they're not getting off during sex is because they're wearing condoms. :hide:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:01 PM
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101. It should be the final nail in the coffin of bs exuses from rapists
As in "oh oh oh she teased me and then said NO! what was I supposed to do???"

You were supposed to find a quiet place at home, whip out your member and a laptop and take care of things, asshole.
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Leithan Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:05 PM
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102. Retarded ejaculation
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 02:07 PM by Leithan
That's the medical term. I suffer from it. I can fuck a woman nonstop for an hour and simply cannot come.

Some guys might think this to be an advantage. It is not. Sure, after the first couple of orgasms, the woman is, "Wow! You've got stamina! You're a stud!" But, by the time it's "over," it becomes, "What? I'm not hot enough for you?" She ends up insulted, and I end up with no release.

I was greatly offended by The View's Sherri Sheppard dismissing the issue as some kind of a ploy used by men. I'm here to tell you that it is NOT FAKE, and it is NOT FUN.

Sorry about the gutteral language, but this is something that pisses me off!
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:46 PM
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106. Welcome to DU
You have my sincere sympathy.
I do wonder if articles like these are how women show their own insecurities.
That is I often get the impression that women project to men that they are infallible and perfect.
I think that this bullshit is taking it's toll.
IMHO if women were more honest with men and themselves, everyone would be happier.

My (now ex)wife has a much larger collection of porn than I do and it's MUCH kinkier than mine.

Women, by and large, don't seem to want to admit their own sexuality. Which confuses me.
But i'm juts a dumb, divorced man. what do I know?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:24 PM
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130. ...well, it's *kind of* fun...
...in the sense that, like ice cream, when it's bad, it's still pretty good. :) You get sore, she gets satisfied, not too bad. Okay, I never had a woman get insulted by it. I was always able to say it was my own problem (which it was).

I had the same problem with my first two lovers. I think deep down, I knew I didn't really *love* them. It's quite a personal thing, to surrender yourself fully to pleasure, to stop being some idealized macho stud and to be vulnerable and at risk of being ordinary. It's fine if you're with someone you love and trust completely, but if you're still trying to prove something or impress her, well, the pressure's still on.

I've found that once I suppress the initial desire to orgasm (which can come up early), I tend to desensitize, making it difficult to ever satisfy myself. All I can suggest is keep your ultimate fantasy handy for those times.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 02:48 PM
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107. In other news: hairy palm salons all the rage. nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:37 PM
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112. No, but drugs that keep your dick hard for 4 hours are.
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:42 PM
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113. It's hormonal, in my opinion
I'm a 55 y.o. woman who's been in and out of menopause for 6 years. I began to have trouble climaxing, so my gyno gave me a script for testosterone cream, which I apply directly to my clitoris. Problems solved! And I DO mean solved :)

There are so many hormones in our water, food and in plastics, it may be having an effect on testosterone in these men. I've read that men are being feminized because of these hormone disruptors.

I would challenge any man with this issue to ask for a script for testosterone cream and try it.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 03:43 PM
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115. Or women?
Or maybe it is romance novels or soap operas. Men can never live up to that kind of romance.

People just need to get real. And re-attach it all to some sort of relationship based on love. Make it a game, and of course there are off days.
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:37 PM
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119. "you could carve ice sculptures with my dick"...
LMAO... :rofl:
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 04:40 PM
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120. This is so very sad. Disconnected men who avoid REAL women
I see them as they'll be in their 40's and 50's, still addicted to online porn and unable to maintain relationships with women. Living alone. Staring at computer screens. Wondering why their lives are so screwed up.

It's a very, very good reason for women to avoid dating men who engage in any sort of online porn fix.

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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:00 PM
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122. Indeed
I'm a guy but if I was a lady the first thing I would want to know is how much of a role porn plays in the guy's life. A little or none? That's fine........ A lot? Then yes I would have a problem because of all the seconary issues that arise.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:13 PM
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 05:29 PM
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125. withered old hag? denied her perfect guy. shell of her sexy self. barbie. chip, much
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 05:30 PM by seabeyond
bah hahahahha

i think i get you .... now.

where you are coming from

o.... kay.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 06:05 PM
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127. What? back atcha
I'm referring to 50-year-old guys who are addicted to online porn and are lonely because their only companions are fantasy things on computers.

Where did the" withered old hag" come into this?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:07 PM
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128. Man has no obligation to change himself into something a woman can "love"..
just like woman has no obligation to love a man who is addicted to porn to such an extent that he'll be calling her a withered old hag when she's in her 40s.

Women should avoid these men like the plague.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 07:20 PM
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129. truth....
lol
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 09:58 PM
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132. If these imaginary men you envision really prefer porn to actual women, why would they mind?
I mean, if that's honestly, truly what they prefer, then that's what's going to make them happiest. Right? :shrug:

The truth is, lots of people like porn- men, women, and lots and lots of couples. Take it from a former video store worker.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-11 10:41 PM
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133. lots and lots of people like twinkies and ding dongs.... a nation of obesity.
Edited on Fri Feb-04-11 10:55 PM by seabeyond
:shrug:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 12:19 AM
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134. And lots and lots of people enjoy eating red herring while whizzing down slippery slopes.
what's your point? :shrug:
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 01:25 AM
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135. Try to keep in mind this victorian mindset is why we have such a backwards view of "porn"
Before the Victorians screwed with how we see the world, sex education was more explicit and complete than it has been for the last 200+ years.
Women were artificially lifted onto the pedestal they are on, part of why it's causing them to get full and equal acceptance in most societies.

BEFORE the Victorian era, this "terrible obsession with porn" would have been laughed at.

In ancient roman and greek times, women were topless, sex was done to be enjoyed, and was easy enough to find.

You may skoff and say "well look what happened to them"... yes they lasted HUNDREDS if not a thousand years, and have been emulated by every western civilization since!!!

china doesn't have this problem, nor India, or japan. millenia old civilizations.

so why do we perceive it as a problem?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 06:05 AM
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136. "We" don't, actually. Most people don't really make a big deal out of it.
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 06:05 AM by Warren DeMontague
There is a small yet vocal, authoritarian section of both the "left" and "right" that have extremely puritanical attitudes about sex and see open expressions of human sexuality as a dangerous inferno that needs to be contained if not extinguished. Andrea Dworkin, meet James Dobson.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:44 AM
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139. you are wrong in authoritarian. i have yet to see ANYONE suggest we outlaw.
because people argue the worth of porn in a persons life, or the problems it causes has you in a tizzy with panties in a twist. puritanical about sex is another absurd argument. suggesting the problem with the proliferation of porn in our lives has nothing to do with ones attitude on sex and is just your way of insulting a person in a totally fact less way.

all of your post is hogwash
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:13 PM
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143. Whatever it is you're trying to say there, most people don't care.
Most people don't think it's a "problem" that consenting adults like to look at pictures of other consenting adults naked or having sex.

It bothers a few people, most people either like it, or just don't care either way.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:35 AM
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137. Japanese government: Young men losing interest in sex
The latest biennial survey found that 36.1 percent of Japanese males between the ages of 16-19 said they had no interest or even despised sex, a jump from 17.5 percent in the 2008 study

Compounding the issue was data that showed 59 percent of girls in the same age group felt the same way, up 12 percentage points from 2008

*

Collectively, the survey found all age categories showed a general lack of interest toward sex, except for men in their 30-34 years of age with just 5.8 percent of these respondents not interested, as opposed to 8.3 percent in 2008.

The survey also found that 40.8 percent of married people said they had not had sex in the past month, up from 36.5 percent in the 2008 survey and 31.9 percent in the 2004 survey

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/japanese-government-young-men-losing-interest-sex/
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i dont know about the other countries you talk, but suggesting all is fine in japan is simply wrong. once a woman has a baby, she is no longer sexual in her husband's eyes and he buys his sex leaving her to raise the kids

not a relationship i would prefer.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 02:10 PM
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141. There is a discussion in the men's group on Herbivore men
I think part of it is they see a relationship as not with the trouble.
they are happy to life "just so" lives, because in a way society tells us to live "just so".
They are simply taking sex, let alone a family, out of that equation.

That isn't my idea of a great relationship either. however there are two sides to that coin also...
Men are TOLD they MUST have a family...so they do, duty and honor.
They also are TOLD that they MUST give themselves to their job!
there is no way you can do both if you work 4 days away from home a week.

The man works his ass off, all his money goes "home" and in the end... what does he get from it?
That's how it is in Japan, and much of Asia.

WE are responsible for that, as WE (American/McCarthy) put Japan back together after WWII.

If I were a young man in japan, I might consider being a herbivore as well. a "just so" life . . . OK that's a lie, I love raising Cain, and I love being IN a relationship too much.

but that's me.
You are you

We grew up before so much corporate influence in ALL aspects of our lives.

I'm not saying it's right (or even wrong), just pointing out that it "is".
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:46 AM
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140. I'm fine with porn. But it's like salt. Too much and it has side effects
Or so the article implies.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 09:41 AM
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138. If they're happy without partners, then there's no problem
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 09:44 AM by mainer
But I suspect that most people would like to have a partner in their lives. And most studies show that men who rate themselves the happiest are those with partners.

The gist of this article is that the men interviewed WANT to be there for their girlfriends or wives, and are starting to question the detrimental effect porn has on real sex. So porn is causing problems for them.

There've been some really sad death scenes here lately in Maine of single or divorced men, found dead alone in their homes or trailers, surrounded by porn. Some of them weren't found for days. Maybe they were perfectly happy as they were. But I personally think it's sad to die alone, with no kids, no spouse, and no one who cares about you enough to check on you for days on end.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:26 PM
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144. I just don't think anyone can say that the porn made these people be alone.
Maybe the porn was a function of being alone, and not a cause. In that case, however embarrassing or sad the death scenes may have seemed, isn't it better that they were at least able to spend their last moments enjoying themselves? :shrug:
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starzdust Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:07 PM
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142. Most likely, no one will ever see this post but...
First I admit I am still living single so take what I say with a grain or more of salt. I think that faking by either partner is dishonest.

There have been a few times when I was having sexual relationships where I had the "not now honey, I have a headache" moments when I realized that I wasn't going to orgasm. Yes, I would try by starting over in a new position or something else. But when I knew I couldn't finish I always told my partner that I wasn't going to be able to continue. Sometimes I would try other things to satisfy her and other times we'd stop and do other things.

As far as watching adult movies go, I admit I've had enjoyment now and then even before web browsing became ubiquitous in our daily lives. But back before the rise if the Internet (actually Mosaic browser) if was either going to a theater or those cheesy 8mm film lopes and or magazines. Boy, that really dates me. LOL

StarzDust
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The Nexus Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:49 PM
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145. My only problem with porn is the depliction of lesbians and female bisexuals.
It glues in the mind of the viewers that only the good looking lesbians and bis are acceptable for society.
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