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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:17 PM
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Colin Powell Uses The Founding Fathers To Explain WHY The GOP WILL FAIL In 2012





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On This Week, Gen. Colin Powell used the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers to
illustrate why the tea party is destined to lead the Republican Party to failure in 2012.


Video from ABCNews:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/colin-powell-military-options-limited-iran/story?id=14944591#.TtKZTWArofQ




POWELL: The tone is not — is not good right now, and our political system here in Washington, particularly up on The Hill — Congress — has become very, very tense in that two sides, Republicans and Democrats, are focusing more and more on their extreme left and extreme right. And we have to come back toward the center in order to compromise.

A story I like to tell is our Founding Fathers were able to sit in Philadelphia and make some of the greatest compromises known to man — tough, tough issues. But they did it. Why? Because they were there to create a country, where we have a Congress now that can’t even pass an appropriation bill, and we’re running this country on a continuing resolution which is — what else are they here for but to pass appropriations bills?

And so we have got to find a way to start coming back together. And let me say this directly. The media has to help us. The media loves this game, where everybody is on the extreme. It makes for great television. It makes for great chatter. It makes for great talk shows all day long with commentators commenting on commentators about the latest little mini-flap up on Capitol Hill.

So what we have to do is sort of take some of the heat out of our political life in terms of the coverage of it, so these folks can get to work quietly.



AMANPOUR: I get your point about heat and light, but what about the fact that, in fact, it is one of the political parties, although — or rather the big political influence, which is the Tea Party, which quotes left and right the Founding Fathers? They say compromise is a dirty word, and they try to point to the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.



POWELL: They compromised — the Founding Fathers compromised on slavery. They had to in order to create a country. They compromised on the composition of the Senate, of the House, of the Supreme Court, of a president — what are the president’s powers? Can you imagine more difficult compromises today?

Compromise is how this country was founded, and unless two people in disagreement with each other don’t find a way to reach out to one another and make compromises, you don’t get a consensus that allows you to move forward.

But the Tea Party point of view of no compromise whatsoever is not a point of view that will eventually produce a presidential candidate who will win.



transcript:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-pat-toomey-colin-powell/story?id=15034808&page=4#.TtKY42ArofR






cont'

http://www.politicususa.com/en/colin-powell-tea-party-founders


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:20 PM
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1. sorry colin, i don't see any sign that democrats are supporting the extreme left
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 03:25 PM
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2. or moderately left, or slightly left of Wall St. They are making the bare minimum token
efforts that they think will appease the public without angering their Wall Street masters.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 04:26 PM
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3. In fact, Colin, ... the big problem is
that the Democrats haven't catered to the left at all!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:21 PM
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5. his assertion is correct, his application to both parties is laughable
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 08:22 PM by spanone
the democrats put their nuts on the table to try and get the fucking republicans to increase the debt limit

powell talks like a reasonable person, but his equivocation is wrong. 100%

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:06 PM
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4. extra points orf using "extreme left" and "they compromised...on slavery"
in the same paragraph

fkkin cReeps would LOVE for us to comp on slavery right about now.

COE-luhn. He's soooooooooooo 90's.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:26 PM
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6. The dems are supporting extreme left views?
Wow, not even close Colin.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:29 PM
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7. Two points ...
1) Powell lost almost all credibility when he let the Bush administration use him to start the Iraq war. Huge collapse.

2) In a sense he is correct about the founders. Many of the compromises they made were totally bizarre. And yet, as flawed as those compromises were, making them ensured that we broke away from English rule.

The phrase "Imperfect Union" comes to mind.

Anytime an agreement is reached in a compromise, it by definition means that it is IMPERFECT. Each side will have things to complain about, and things to cheer.

The idea of our government was to make such flawed compromises, see how they turn out, and then try to improve things over time.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:39 PM
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8. and this from a man that would lie to the UN and the American people
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:50 PM
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10. And never publicly apologizing for unconditionally carrying the war bucket of lies
on behalf of the Bush/Cheney crime syndicate.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:48 PM
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9. extreme left in congress? LOL. this is the bullshit way the issue is always framed
but the reality is that the extremists are in one party and they are right wingers.

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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:51 PM
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11. "They compromised — the Founding Fathers compromised on slavery. "
How did that compromise work for us?
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matmar Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:52 PM
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12. FAIL.
The Republican Party has certainly moved to satisfy the "extreme right" but in no way shape or form has the Democratic Party moved to satisfy the "extreme left", whatever that is.

"Compromise" in our time means adopting the right-wing position of corporate health insurance for everyone or the far right-wing position of corporate health insurance only for those that have a job. But in either case you're still going to lose your house if you get seriously ill.

Colin Powell, the General who loved his troops soo much he sent them to die for a lie that he knew was a lie at the time.

Go away, traitor.
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