Senate will vote on having people arrested in US imprisoned by US military

[Eric J in MN]

Urge your Senators to oppose with this email-form, via the ACLU:

https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA

[MilesColtrane]

1. Done & R

[Eric J in MN]

29. Thank you. NT

NT

[TheDebbieDee]

2. On a serious note: the US Military does a much better

job of establishing, managing and maintaining a humane facility for the detaining of prisoners.

This is something that the US prison industrial complex doesn't want you to consider..........

[Eric J in MN]

4. If the government accuses me of being a terrorist, I would rather have a jury

...of my peers decide if that's true than a military commission.

Also, the military kept Jose Padilla in isolation and drove him insane. His military detention wasn't humane.

[Karenina]

21. Is this not what some in Egypt

are putting their very lives on the line for? :shrug:

[Eric J in MN]

23. Yes, Egyptian protesters are trying to end military rule, while some Senators

...are trying to make the Justice Dept subservient to the Defense Dept.

[backscatter712]

7. Just ask the inmates at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo or Bagram! n/t

[TheDebbieDee]

11. Actually, I had the inmates at Ft. Leavenworth, KS in mind.........

[Eric J in MN]

30. It's not just pre-trial detention. It's also whether the trial

...is by a jury of your peers.

[waddirum]

22. that must be sarcasm

I recall some pretty horrifying photos from Abu Ghraib. Plus I know that there are a bunch of additional photos that have not been released, by executive order of the President.

[TheDebbieDee]

24. Did you not read Post #11? I said I had the treatment of

Ft. Leavenworth inmates in mind when I posted. Not all military police personnel involved in the detainment process are like the sick, sadistic slags that ran Abu Ghraib!

Stop painting the entire military with your sorry, broad brush!

[Capitalocracy]

28. But that doesn't mean they should have jurisdiction over civilians.

You are right, however, that conditions desperately need to be improved in our nation's prisons.

[waddirum]

33. until all of the photos from the U.S. army are released...

I will paint the entire U.S. armed forces prison system with that broad brush. The treatment of Padilla and Manning are disgusting and 100% against what this country stands for.

[glinda]

3. Kick to sign!

[Eric J in MN]

20. Thank you. NT

NT

[Chan790]

5. Isn't this a Posse Comitatus issue? n/t

[Eric J in MN]

8. The Posse Comitatus Act says the army can only be used in ways...

...authorized by Congress.

So Congress can authorize the army to do more without directly contradicting it, even if undermining the principle.

[meow2u3]

10. It may or may not be a Posse Comitatus issue

but it sure smacks of a Bill of Attainder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_attainder

[ThomWV]

6. Such a bill would have to get out of the Senate Judiciary Committee

and I can assure you that it would never make it out the door. We do still have a constitution you know.

[Eric J in MN]

9. The bill seems to be going from the Senate Armed Services Committee to the Senate floor.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1253

[shanti]

13. stranger things have happened n/t

[gratuitous]

17. Bwahahahahaha!

Good one! :rofl:

Whoo, that there is the best medicine!

[Eric J in MN]

32. Harry Reid plans to bring it to the floor on Wednesday.

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/homeland-and-coast-guard/195799-detainee-provision-moves-forward-with-defense-bill

[unapatriciated]

12. done k&r

[Eric J in MN]

14. Thank you. NT

NT

[Tx4obama]

15. A copy of sections 1031 and 1032 of the Defense Authorization bill referred to by the ACLU

Text here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2378124&mesg_id=2381909

[mrdmk]

16. Well, paint me ludicrous, but something is up if Congress feels the necessity to consider this!

I wonder who is more paranoid, me or them?

[Eric J in MN]

18. I guess the Senators behind this legislation are outraged that the Underwear Bomber

...was tried in a civilian court, even though he was convicted.

[2banon]

19. this needs more attention!

[woo me with science]

25. K&R

[Eric J in MN]

26. Thank you. NT

NT

[kenny blankenship]

27. See you all at OccupySoccerStadium!

[Eric J in MN]

31. Senate scheduled to vote on Wednesday

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/28/senate-faces-key-vote-on-indefinite-detention/

[Eric J in MN]

34. kick

kick