I think OWS and the 99% should split. One part could bubble up

[applegrove]

with ideas on the internet and such. Kinda like an Amnesty International of inequality and abuse of economic power that would regularly report specific issues, what are people's truths, etc. This struggle between the 1% and the rest of us will be ongoing....we will need a multitude of creative memes over the years to identify & solve economic & economic power problems.

The other part could come up with a list of demands and be more an american political arm of OWS.

[pennylane100]

1. I am not sure the 99% would get the visibility they have now

without the OWS. These people have put themselves in danger and many of them have suffered harm inflicted by police brutality all over the country. I think that it is these kind of sacrifices that have given their movement so much daylight. I would love to see them continue and grow in numbers until they bring about change.
Oh well. a person can dream.

[applegrove]

2. You know. I think you are right. The sacrifice is commendable. I just want to see a way

for the 99% to go on and continue to highlight inequality in all its various forms. I'm worried to the other extent that if they come up with a list of demands they will be judged and then discarded or ignored. I want to see the organic & creative way ideas have bubbled up continue. I think the 1% are here to stay so I'd like the 99% continue too. There has to be a forum for all the people who have been wedged apart and manipulated by politics for the last 30 years to come together and be together. There needs to be a permanent place.

[liberaltrucker]

4. Dream on, my friend

I don't know how things work in Canada or the UK, but
here in the "good ole USA" the wedge has been driven
with so much propaganda that the 99%ers who claim to
be conservative will ALWAYS vote against their own
self interest.

IF progressives had the money to create a media blitz
over the next 30 years like the cons have over the last
30, then there may be hope. But it appears that wealthy
liberals don't put their money where their mouth is.

:banghead:

[pennylane100]

5. Well I am a US citizen now but the same thing happened in England when I was growing up.

We were a very working class family growing up and I was not politically knowledgeable but my parents would always vote conservative even though it was the labor party that fought for all the things that help us. Health care, decent working conditions etc. It amazes me that in both countries, the majority of the working class will vote against their economic interest. I still do not get it.

[applegrove]

7. Disrali came up with the idea that conservatives could get the working class to

vote against their economic self interest if they were just voting on issues like patriotism and such. Thus the advent of wedge issues.

[TorchTheWitch]

3. how does that happen when they're the same thing?

The whole point of the OWS protests is because they ARE the 99% getting shit on.

How the hell do you split that and why would you want to?

[applegrove]

6. I want the bubble up of information on economic inequality to continue. I want there

to be a place where people anywhere in the world can go with their ideas. I worry that OWS is coming up with a list of demands that will make them more static and less organic. And the ideas that ring true with people, what makes OWS rock is that they connect to so many and accept so many ideas, are ever evolving. Right now it is tax cuts for the rich but in a 8 months the inequality highlighted and amplified by OWS may be that it is hard for people who start small businesses to declare bankruptcy or something (small business need a way to manage this risk in a way big corporations likely do not...who do the bankruptcy laws protect currently?).

You are probably right. I just don't want to see OWS lose what it has: the truths of the 99%. The truths unmolested by the MSM, politicians, corporations, and other authorities of the 1%.

[2pooped2pop]

8. I know what you mean

but I think that they are determined and as long as we keep supporting them when we can, they will keep on the path that they are on. I know this is the closest thing we have had to success in a long long time and the thought of the 1% succeeding in making ows go away is scary. But these demonstrators are tenacious.

Just help em when you can, show up for protest to increase their visibility numbers, etc. and pray, if you do that sort of thing. I think the demands they will set out will be something that, to not get behind, would make one seem to be a real asshole. The demands should be very easy to defend.

[Bragi]

10. The 99% is an equality and justice movement, Occupy is just a tactic

I think what attracted public support wasn't so much the Occupy tactic, it was the fact that the movement was articulating something most people know and are enraged about-- that economic inequality and injustice are growing.

I think it was the message behind the tactic that caused it to succeed at least initially initially beyond the norm. It was not because people suddenly took a fancy to urban camping.

Which is why I agree with the notion that the movement needs to now move beyond the occupy tactic, which was never sustainable long-term, and has now run its course.

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