Police: 'Pregnant' Occupy protestor tried to lure children (Jennifer Fox)

[alp227]

Occupy Seattle protestor Jennifer Fox has publicly levied a serious claim against the Seattle Police Department; that two officers are responsible for the death of her unborn child. But now, as her claim is called into question and new information about the 19-year-old surfaces, she may come out of the ordeal being perceived as much more than a troubled teen desperate for attention.

97.3 KIRO FM has learned that Fox was once suspected of trying to lure two young children away from their mother. In a police report dated August 3, 2011, a mother stated a young woman had approached her daughters at Seattle's Pritchard Beach Park during a swimming lesson. Police sources confirm that woman was Fox.

"(The mother) stated she observed (Fox) approach her children as they made their way from the lake to her car," read the report. "(The mother) stated she could tell that (Fox) was asking the children questions by the way they were acting."

When the mother confronted Fox, Fox stated she was a swimming coach in Bellevue and was offering the children lessons.

full: http://mynorthwest.com/11/582967/Police-Pregnant-Occupy-protestor-tried-to-lure-children

Undisputable: The police were unjustified in pepper-spraying and hitting Fox. HOWEVER, it seems that Fox is a shady person.

Disputable: Did Fox really miscarry?

[uppityperson]

1. Police were unjustified in pepper-spraying and hitting Fox. This just gets weirder

thanks for posting this.

When the mother confronted Fox, Fox stated she was a swimming coach in Bellevue and was offering the children lessons.

"Fox stated she had just returned from Greece where she had won every event she had entered in a swim meet," according to the report. The girls told their mother Fox had asked them to leave with her, and had offered them a ride if they came to Bellevue to swim with her.

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"(Fox) stated she had been trained as a swimming coach while on the 'Special Olympics team.' (Fox) stated she had 48 gold medals.""

[Dorian Gray]

2. The whole story is weird

I think that some people are out there trying to dig up all information on this girl. She seems disturbed, so they are going to find information to discredit her.

She should never have been hit or pepper sprayed. Ever. Her story read as melodramatic, but some people are dramatic, so I didn't think much of it. But as new information
is released about her, she seems to need some sort of psychological help. I hope she gets it. (If any of this information is true.)

[uppityperson]

5. If she lied about fetacide by cop, she needs help. If she didn't lie, she needs help

She got a huge amount of outrage going against the cops. Bad enough to get peppersprayed, but IF this wasn't true (cops caused a miscarriage), she's caused more outrage than there should be. Or about the wrong thing. Things are bad enough, don't need to make more up.

I hope she gets help.

[unionworks]

23. please be honest

And tellourdear DUershow many threads you have posted attempting to discredit Fox. I count 3...

[uppityperson]

26. Can't count well, can you? Why do you continue to stalk and insult and post falsehoods about me?

Odd obsession. Guess everyone needs a hobby.

[unionworks]

27. asking you a question

Is not stalking or insulting you. I am interested in this story, and simply wondered why destroying this womans credibility was important enough to post several pieces that, to me, were aimed at doing so. As for the rest, easily solved. Welcome to my ignore list.

[uppityperson]

37. However, you still can't count and you continue to post falsehoods about me.

I didn't post "several pieces" that were aimed at "destroying this womans credibility (sic)" and your continuing accusation I did is wrong. You post hit pieces on me, claiming things that aren't true, when I object you "welcome me to ignore". Huh.


I'm not destroying her credibility, she is.

[Life Long Dem]

3. I don't see the connection that she is a Occupy Seattle protester.

Maybe someone else can find it. Unless a vacant building where she was arrested on Sept. 22, qualifies for the movement, or the lake park where she wanted to give swimming instructions to the kids.

[uppityperson]

4. She got peppersprayed last wk in Seattle & is claiming miscarried because of it

and getting hit with a bike (by cop) and kicked by a cop. There was a large thread with many recs about it here a couple days ago. Lots of sympathy and outrage about the "first OWS death caused by cop".

[Life Long Dem]

6. Oh ok, I didn't see that.

[TorchTheWitch]

7. I've actually been questioning the pepper spraying as well now

I watched a video of her that was taken by someone right after the alleged pepper spraying incident and it doesn't appear that she was sprayed at all. Even the people that were talking to her and trying to help her seemed puzzled about what was going on. There was no evidence on her face that she had been sprayed, and they weren't doing anything to combat the effects (using water, etc.) though they had the means.

It may very well be that she is also lying about being abused by the police. In that photo of her being carried by protesters I wondered why her face didn't look like it had been either sprayed or that anything had been applied to combat the effects. In the video two of the people looking puzzled and trying to help her were the same two guys in the photo that carried her off for help. I'll try to find the video again, but at this point I honestly don't know if she was telling the truth about being pepper sprayed because in both the video and the photo she sure didn't look like she had been.

With so much coming out about this young woman now I just don't know what to believe about any of her allegations. The only thing I do believe at this point is that she really needs help... psychological help, financial help, all kinds of help.

[provis99]

8. so...Occupy made her do it?

See the meme they are working on already?

[uppityperson]

9. the meme that she has a history of lying about things? That perhaps what she says isn't

always truthful? That perhaps that outrage over cops causing her to miscarry might not be quite accurate? That meme?

I see no evidence of "Occupy made her do it". Maybe you would point it out for me, I do miss things sometimes, not being snarky.

[TorchTheWitch]

13. nobody is claiming that including the radio station

The woman is lying. Listen to the interview she did on the radio and the one the following day with her foster mother. There's a lot more to it than what appears in the article. She made all kinds of non-sensical claims. It's just ridiculous to try to make her out to be anything else but a very troubled woman that made up a lot of stuff and it has nothing to do with OWS other than it was her own fabricated story that unfortunately brought OWS into it. Frankly, it's doubtful she is a protester at all and is just camping out with them because she's homeless and needs somewhere to stay and food to eat which is perfectly understandable. After the interview with her foster family whom she lived with for 10 years she is homeless by choice as she left the home voluntarily and emancipated herself from the system.

This young woman made very serious allegations against the police and it turns out that there's really no question that she made it up. Even whether or not she was pepper sprayed or beaten by the police is in question at this point. But she made it up because she pretty clearly has psychological issues and needs help. It is just very unfortunate that it was SHE that made the connection to OWS and that her falsehoods can be seen to reflect badly on OWS (though they shouldn't), and it's very doubtful she is even a OWS protester at all.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Lemme see if I can connect some dots here

Media starts a smear...

There is no way, without breaking hippa laws that is, to confirm or deny if she was pregnant.

There might be a lawsuit in the works.

How best to pollute a jury pool.

Would a police friendly media do this?

Is there a chance nt all is like it looks...yup, but we have seen way too man of these cases to ahem...trust the authorities on the story line.

And sadly some fols fall for this and do not question the lovely media. By the way, where is the police investigation? I suspect like a certain hot dog cart here it's more he said she said with zero investigation.

[Robb]

18. HIPPA won't apply; law enforcement isn't bound by it. (nt)

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. But law enforcement can't release medical info either

[Robb]

29. Law enforcement can release whatever they have.

If they're made aware of a patient's medical condition, through whatever means, that information can be included in their investigation. And any reporter who asks can compell them to release that, the only restriction being a DA can keep that information confidential until there is a trial or they stop pursuing a criminal case. It's at the DA's discretion, however.

Law enforcement is not bound by HIPPA.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yes they are

Sorry

And if it is released to them is also a violation.

[Robb]

32. You are incorrect. HIPAA permits disclosure of lots of health information to law enforcement.

"As necessary to alert law enforcement to the commission and circumstances of a crime." If that sounds overbroad, you better believe it is. But that's HIPAA. The request doesn't even have to be in writing, and much info -- type of injury, times of treatment etc. -- health providers are required by law to turn over.

In addition, there are zero HIPAA restrictions on law enforcement's delivering any of its information to the press. Zero.

HIPAA is fundamentally a firewall between doctors and the press -- or other snoopy types, like divorce attorneys or angry family members. But if law enforcement is involved, it is a routine matter to go around it. Counting on HIPAA here is unwise.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. I see...

have a good day...

[Robb]

40. Will do! Thanks.

:hi:

[Obamanaut]

28. Looks more like conjecture here than dots being connected. nt

[ProdigalJunkMail]

39. indeed...

much conjecture...

sP

[unionworks]

12. also

....hope she sues the shit out of this news source for slander. And please name these police "sources"so they can be sued too.

[TorchTheWitch]

14. frankly, it's her doing the slandering

Listen to the interview she had with the radio station. There is NO WAY this woman is the least bit believable. She made all kinds of outrageous claims in that one interview alone.

She's clearly got serious psychological issues and needs help.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

50. Yeah.

I'm sure she's just the type who'd love to file a frivolous unfounded suit.

[unionworks]

15. Brandi Kruse

...a reporterfor the station, is the one running a series of hit pieces against Ms. Fox.Ms. Fox's name is NOT on the police report, Kruse says her "police sources" say it was Fox in the report. If you dig deeper, you will see that Kruse has been running a crusade against the Occupy movement on a talk show she hosts. The 88 year old who was peppersprayed called her and told her off, and hung up on her. Nice try, most folks don't get as pissed as I do to dig into this b.s. and debunk. DUers aren't as STUPID as the people at Gateway or FFreeperland and question when their brothers or sisters are smeared. Happy "Turkey" day!

[TorchTheWitch]

25. Oh for crying out loud!

Listen to the interview with Fox herself! She ADMITS that it is her in the police report! Listen to all the other outrageous BS she spewed in that interview! The woman is simply not the least bit credible. It's STUPID to keep defending her when she is CLEARLY not credible and undoubtedly needs psychological help.

[Islandlife]

60. Fox became a martyr based on sensational reporting and a willingness to believe

We have seen this happen too many times. Might as well tone down the rhetoric and some how learn the truth. I wish I knew how.

[Islandlife]

62. Sorry about that

I meant to post on the original thread. Inspired by your sub.

[unionworks]

16. my guess

Brandi Kruse either has a cop in her family or is dating one.She seems to have such great secret "police sources" that will back up whatever fantasy her bubble brain comes upwith. We. Don't get the names of these "sources" of course. :evilgrin: :evilgrin: Hore Brandi's radio station has deep ockets, they are bucking for a suit too. They probably figure they can get away with this with a homeless teenager, bbut they don't realize it's a lot bigger than little Jessica Fox now and has provoked national outrage.

[Number23]

17. Good Lord...

"Officers determined Fox "may be suffering from a mental illness or drug addiction," and allowed her to leave"

ALLOWED HER TO LEAVE?? She was accused of trying to get two kids into her car and they just ALLOWED HER TO LEAVE?

[unionworks]

19. just one question

Where kis Fox's name on that report? :-)

[unionworks]

20. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Are you blind, or simply being disingenuous?

Every time "S/" appears in the redacted police report snapshot, it's followed by an "F" and two other letters.

C/ = complainant
S/ = suspect

See how that works?

Now go to the bottom of the police report snapshot, where the "person" portion is listed. Are you going to tell me that no matter how hard you try, you can't read "FOX" after the surname spot, and "JENNIFER" after the first spot?

Please. Next you'll tell me that the name is Jonathan Fin who was 19 at the time and the RO simply got the sex wrong when he typed the report, right?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

44. unionworks has an agenda too, like he/she claims others do

Clearly, Fox is a troubled young woman and an attention/media whore who's doing nothing to help the movement or maybe is an agent provocateur. She should be ignored.

[unionworks]

49. you are correct

I have an agenda. Putting a stop to police atrocities against peaceful demonstrators. The Mayor of Seattle has an agenda to. HE APOLOGIZED BOTH TO FOX AND THE 88 YEAR OLD WHO WAS MACED IN PUBLIC. FACE TO FACE.

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. I bet that made for a good photo op. I have less confidence in politicians than you do in police.

Have you found the word "Fox" on that police report yet?

[unionworks]

53. look up "kent state shootings"

Then look at the famous photo of a young homeless woman throwing her hands in the air in grief over the body of a slain peaceful protester. I attended Catholic school with the younger brother of the photographer. The event was seared into my soul like a branding iron. Please don't doubt me. I still grieve.

[unionworks]

57. I am guessing

...from your handle that you are Native American. I know little of that history, but enough to understand a complete distrust of politicians. Treaties not worth the paper they were written on. Jack abrhamoff leaps into my mind. To you I admit there is uncertainty in this story. But when I consider that all the cards are stacked in favor of the cops and the media, I will choose to err on the side of the one who none will ddefend, even if it means I end up with egg on my face. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. I do actually. n/t

[unionworks]

21. Santa Sez

HO HO HO, Brandi! No cop toys from tax dollars for. SPD this year! Been VERY NAUGHTY!!!

[ecstatic]

30. I think she is mentally ill, but that doesn't excuse what the cops did

to her or anyone else. I don't think she was pregnant. However, OWS protesters are getting a small taste of what some people have to deal with every day. Now that police misbehavior is getting constant media attention, maybe we'll finally be able to rein in their powers.

[octothorpe]

33. This is one of those difficult situations in which either case sucks...

I hope she's lying, because that would mean she didn't miscarriage a child she wanted because of her being manhandled by the cops. Then again, if she's lying, then that redirects attention away from the valid complaints against many police departments over the past few months. Although, each specific case should be analysed on its own and not based on other cases, aye?

I wonder if it's creepish of me to even think of things in those terms...

[uppityperson]

41. I agree. Not sure which to wish for and either case sucks.

[Lasher]

35. So if you speak to a child you are a shady person?

Guess that makes me a shady person.

[ecstatic]

38. Wow. Do you try to lure young children away from their parents?

And invite them to something without asking their parents?

[Lasher]

42. Wow, no.

Hyperbole much?

[uppityperson]

43. that is what she tried to do. Did you read the OP article?

[Lasher]

45. No, not until just now.

From the linked article: "The girls told their mother Fox had asked them to leave with her, and had offered them a ride if they came to Bellevue to swim with her."

That part makes a big difference. I was wrong to suggest the encounter was not sinister. Duh.

[uppityperson]

46. Reading the article, makes it even weirder. Something odd seems to be going on

with her. I hope whatever it is, she gets the help she needs. I checked out her facebook page and there is article after article on her getting peppersprayed/etc. I hope she gets the help she needs. It is sad all the way around.

[Lasher]

51. I agree.

My first priority is to protect innocents from unstable people. Then as a second priority, try to heal the sick.

[lynne]

36. Obviously mentally ill, her entire story is suspect now -

- Unless there is a photo showing it occurring, I'm not inclined to believe that she was kicked in the stomach or hit with a bike at the hands of police. I saw the photo of her being treated for supposed pepper spray but I'm doubtful on that as well as they wouldn't refuse treatment to anyone claiming to have been in any type contact with the stuff.

Looks like she's a really sick pup in need of some serious mental health care. Hope she gets it.

[unionworks]

47. police reports

Can be faked, especially if the names have been "redacted",because thenthe. Personsmeared can't sue for their name being in it. These cops sprayed an 88 year old, I would put nothing past them. The "news source" in this article has an extreme anti-occupy bias, if you take the time to read their "reporting". The cops have access to the hospital report, even if they can't release it, sowhy are they conducting an internal investigation if. There is no substance? I don't believe anything coming from this right leaning radio station, or this police force. We shall see what a court decides based on facts, not blacked out names and innuendos.

[uppityperson]

48. They are conducting and internal investigation to see if there is any substance.

I guess you object to that, would rather have them not check it out? You do realize that Jennifer talked about the previous police report in her interview, said it was her, don't you? So much for your "innuendos".

You want the names to not be redacted (oh darn, "forgot" the "quotes" that give what you "write" such "emphasis")? Then you'd complain about something else like, oh let me guess, privacy violations.

Maybe she was lying and it wasn't really her.

[unionworks]

54. Kent State

...was COINTELPRO's final answer to the antiwar movement. I pray it doesn't go that far with Occcupy. Richard Nixon exhumed.

[unionworks]

55. if they were willing

...to randomly shoot down college kids to stifle the antiwar protests, how far do you think they'd go to kill OWS? THINK ABOUT IT.

[unionworks]

56. strangely

The majority of the american public BLAMED THE STUDENTS for the Kent State shootings, "they brought it on themsselve". History repeats itself.

[SidDithers]

59. Any updates on this protester?..

Did she ever confirm her story of being pregnant and then miscarrying?

Sid

[joeglow3]

61. This chick is jacked in the head

Given that the pregnancy wheel starts at then end of your last cycle, there is essentially NO WAY she would know she was "one month pregnant." Yet, she is now making this claim.