I really hate to say this, but I've learned to hate the fucking cops

[Bozita]

ALL of them!

I'm a retired public school teacher and this is NOT the America we were teaching about.

Not by a long shot.

Fuck those cops. I hope they'll be the next ones to lose their pensions and have their unions neutered.

Fuck 'em all!

[grasswire]

1. you have been radicalized

...and there's no going back.

[The Magistrate]

2. Indeed, Sir

When the necessary retaliation comes, it will have been well deserved.

"There will be blood."

[ellisonz]

3. End the Drug War!

And I will reconsider ;)

[lbrtbell]

4. I agree

It's been my experience in life that they never help when they're needed, they make any situation worse, and they're among the worst bigots on the planet.

They should be our heroes. Instead, they're the villains. :(

[Dawson Leery]

5. Police need NO UNION. When you serve the "Powers That Be", you already have too much power.

I have always opposed, and WILL always OPPOSE union representation for state agents.

[coalition_unwilling]

6. Fuck the pigs. Class traitors and enemies of the people. - n/t

[backscatter712]

60. Damned fucking straight.

Like I said below, they're either openly vicious thugs or cowardly quislings (the "good" ones) that remain silent when horrific violent abuses happen right in front of them.

None of them are without dishonor. None of them.

I don't want to fucking hear it from the pig-lovers here. We're sick of your Stockholm syndrome.

[Dawson Leery]

7. No honor.

Consider a nation such as India where 300 million people, commoners took power back by sitting down. They literally crippled Imperial Britain. They broke the crown. India is free despite those uniformed state agents.

[Downwinder]

8. I learned when I got locked up for three days without medication

for having MS.

[EFerrari]

19. My friend with MS was arrested at Oakland and they mocked her.

She wasn't in three days but they pushed her around because she was slow and withheld her medication.

Fuck them.

[Downwinder]

32. I made them regret it and I'm not through yet.

Do I carry a grudge. Never before, but now YES.

Let me put it this way. If I saw an officer and a pit bull get into it. I would sit and watch. After they both got tired and lay down, I would check on the pit bull and get medical assistance for him. Then I would walk down to the PD and tell them about their officer. Be damned if I would spend $0.10 on a cell call to them.

[akbacchus_BC]

9. Who will you call if something serious happens, the cops. They are

not all bad!

[Downwinder]

10. How can you tell?

[akbacchus_BC]

15. You are so pessimistic, some are bad but most are good. I'd prefer

to deal with a cop in a heart beat, who else is there to call!

[Downwinder]

16. I made it 70 years without their assistance, I figure to make

it a few more.

[akbacchus_BC]

18. Well, I never had a reason to call them! So I differ to your age!

[holdencaufield]

31. The reason you never had to call them...

... is because they're already there. The mere presence of law enforcement in any society acts as a deterrent to all but the most determined criminals.

If law enforcement disappeared tomorrow -- it wouldn't be Woodstock, it would be Mad Max.

You might not agree with SOME of the laws they enforce, but I'm willing to bet you agree with the ones that keep you and yours personally safer and your property intact.

[msongs]

23. when good cops stop covering for the bad ones your statement may be credible nt

[LeftyMom]

12. Sometimes they even show up.

If you're really lucky, they might even pretend to give a shit about you.

[provis99]

25. assuming the don't find something to arrest you on

Cops have arrested people who have made the 911 call to report a crime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HXv3rA_cmY

[backscatter712]

65. They do that shit all the time.

The real fact is that police officers are professional liars, and they do not work for you.

When you call the cops, you've got a good chance of making things worse, not better.

[reggie the dog]

48. i will grab my own gun first

if no one heard or saw me shoot in self defense i would dispose of the body myself

[backscatter712]

56. You can't trust them when you call them - they'll look for ways to fuck you.

If you get burglarized and you call them to your house, they'll be hoping they can find a bag of weed so they can arrest YOU. They're not going to go after the thiefs - that requires actual work, and they don't do that kind of work for you, just for the 1%.

[Hanks]

61. they'd

be the LAST people I'd call. They're worthless. Years ago I recall something coming across the news briefly that was never shown again. It said that 90-95% of ALL crime goes unsolved! It just seems that they solve all crime because the news shows report on cases that are actually solved - cases in the 5-10% range. But most crime is never solved. So it begs the question - what are they really good for? One thing and only one thing - protecting the corporate interests and other power structures in this 3rd world country.

[Zax2me]

11. That's a lot of bigotry to be carrying around...and hate.

Could not be you.

[Downwinder]

13. Distrust.

[Union Scribe]

41. Yep. And that distrust has been earned.

And like you said downthread, you don't know which kind you're dealing with when you run into one. They run our names but we can't do likewise, so distrust has to be the default in this environment.

[provis99]

26. bigotry is based on a characteristic a person isn't responsible for.

All cops are responsible for deciding to be cops; they made the choice.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. No, that is not what bigotry is.

[EFerrari]

27. Its not bigotry if it's true, is it.

And there are pension "reform" bills up all over the country. The more these people co-operate with these bad deployments, the faster they will all be standing in an unemployment line. It's not rocket science.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. Yes, it is.

I am surprised by the number of people here who don't know the meaning of the word "bigotry."

[EFerrari]

30. Oh, please. Save it.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. Yes, much better to allow people to wallow in ignorance.

[EFerrari]

38. You are mistaken.

In fact, if you are connected to objective reality and decide that hostility is the appropriate response to cops, which would be unsurprising since they seem to have no problem inflicting harm on the public, then no, that is not bigotry, because you are not dealing in prejudice but responding to an actual situation. No, it's not bigotry if it's true. That's sanity.

[Behind the Aegis]

39. You obviously don't know what bigotry is.

If you are talking about violent reactions from cops or their over-reaching, then yes, "Fuck them! (i.e. those responsible)" IF you condemn all cops for the actions of others, then yes, that is bigotry. The OP says "FUCK 'EM ALL!" When you extend your hate/bias to an entire group, it is bigotry.

[Selatius]

43. Well, the fuck 'em all attitude is short-hand for admitting not knowing good cops from bad.

They all wear the same uniform, and more than a small number would obey orders to crush protesters if given such a command. I don't expect any person to give the police the level of respect that they deserve beyond the level of respect they are showing for the Bill of Rights.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Doesn't change the fact it is bigoted to hate an entire group.

You and the others can try to rationalize it all you want, it doesn't change the fact it is what it is: bigotry. You and the others seemed to be confused, the OP is talking about all cops.

[Selatius]

47. I'm not justifying any bigotry.

I'm not sure what I did to get lumped in with the others.

[Behind the Aegis]

49. My apologies. Seems you were being specific.

Even EFerrari was, but her comment was to someone who was responding to the OP, who was referring to ALL cops. Listen, I live in OK. I am also suspicious of the police, especially highway patrol. However, I don't hate all cops of think they are all bad. This "hate all cops" BS that has been popping up here is no different than posts about "Fuck the Troops," or "Fuck Lawyers".

[JoeyT]

90. I don't hate them all,

but pretty much everyone that's being even remotely honest will admit the rest of them cover for the bad ones. And when someone covers for bad people, it makes them a bad person too.

Good cops don't stay cops for long. They get drummed out for not supporting the others.

[backscatter712]

62. They were given such commands, and virtually all of them obeyed.

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion there's no such thing as a good cop. Just a smiling quisling who will remain silent when their most thuggish brethren commit the violent abuses.

[stillwaiting]

88. It's a top down organization.

They have to comply and acquiese to orders even if they don't agree with them. Otherwise they'll lose their jobs and their livelihoods.

We are seemingly entering a period in our nation's history where the police departments throughout our nation will be called on repeatedly to assault and arrest peaceful protestors with very legitimate grievances. Those officers that continue to serve in these police departments with the continuing assault on our citizenry and Constitution will lose the respect of an ever growing percentage of Americans and rightfully so.

There is no justification for the intimidation and violence that has been on full display these past few months. They have become traitors to our Constitution and to America itself. Their lies and propaganda exacerbate the hostilities between those supportive of OWS and the PD's nationwide. The elite are actively dividing us from law enforcement and those police officers that have a sense of what it means to be an American and are of good conscience will be LEAVING law enforcement in the coming months if this continues. If they don't AND this continues they will deserve the scorn of ordinary Americans even more than they already do.

[reggie the dog]

50. you have to admit that most cops make fun of you every chance the get

they make fun of our cars for being too shitty, if we have a nice car they accuse us of being drug dealers, when they find no drugs they rub your balls and dick to look even closer and then make fun of you for supposedly having a small dick, if you get hard in their hand to fuck with them they make fun of you for being gay, they make fun of your hair, of your last name, of your religious roots... in the usa most interactions i had with the police involved them stopping me and searching me for no reason whatsoever and when they found out that i was obeying the law they got mad and sometimes beat me, once even planted crack in our car but later took it back when we got our millionaire grandfather on the phone. were i poor and black i would still be in jail for the crack that one cop dropped in our car for the other one to find.

who has held a gun to my head while i was handcuffed and threatened to pull the trigger to do the world a favor because "people like you are ruining the country" meaning liberal urban dweller (nothing against the pot the other cop at the station who "lost" all my info informed me that they both accepted bribes from the meth and weed producers to look the other way) COPS

who was the first person to ever point a gun in my face? for playing tag in a park lit by stadium lights at around 930 pm during summer vacation when i was 12??? UNDERCOVER COPS!

who questioned me in high school telling me that i beat a little girl with a skateboard and tried to light her on fire and that i was already convicted and that once the mom said so i was off to jail (even though i hand never had a trial)? A COP! who said i didnt have a right to an attourney because i was only 16? who said that if i remained silent they would "make me talk"????? (by the way i didnt do what they accused me of) when i got up to leave who slammed me against the wall and then told me i assaulted an officer when i pushed back??? (luckily the school consusler was there and saw the cop be violent first)


who left their gun belt, gun and bullets in the bathroom of my jr high then threatened to arrest me because i had the audacity to bring it to the principals office???? cops!!!!! (they threatened explustion so i said i would call channel 9 news because i was sure they would be interested to find out that a kid trained in firearms and who had a FOID card was being expelled for turning in a pistol they found in the bathroom!)



in all my life i can honestly say that cops have "helped" by filing the paperwork necessary for me to get paid for vandalism or theft by my insurance. in the usa most cops i have met, on duty at least, see my long hair and want to fuck with me. now off duty they can be regular,nice people, but on duty.....

and i know that these are just beat cops, not cops investigating major crime so perhaps the good cops are promoted out of being beat cops?

i know to fear the cops though, in the usa, in France the police, for the most part, are respectful (if you are white) and dont profile for long hair. (if you are not white they are dicks, hell they even told me that i was more or less french even though i have been naturalized and have a french national identity card like all french people why??? because of my accent!

now off duty i have partied, smoked weed with cops, gone to the gun range and all sorts of nice stuff (here in europe), i have met cops who dont arrest people for weed so long as the people agree to put the joint they are smoking out and who prefer to throw the weed in the gutter if the person is being busted for something else, i have met cops who only work on sex abuse cases and who have to put up with some crazy shit but are really nice to people.

in the usa the cops are rightfully scared of armed bandits so they are more gruff with us whereas in france, the uk, the cops generally dont deal with armed bandits and are acutally polite with the people for the most part and this changes relations a lot.

[countryjake]

51. Whaa? Are you honestly being serious?

So when the masses of Europeans (secretly, out of a necessity to survive) despised, condemned, and tried to organize against the Gestapo, or the SS, are you telling me that all of those people living under the iron hand of fascism were actually bigoted against those particular enforcers who were oppressing them?

Please, when it comes to racial profiling in our country, exactly who are the ones who are the most skilled at the art of such "bigotry"? When you hear of black and latino kids murdered right on our cities' streets, who are the ones who are seldom held accountable, claiming they're only trying to "serve and protect"? Why is it that our prisons are overwhelmingly full of people of color, with those scales of "Justice" tipped in a brutal balance against them, and the Law enforcers armed to the hilt, in order to maintain that repression?

So when people are peacefully standing up to just those types of injustice, uniting as a nationwide group to end inequality in this nation and are actually raising the consciousness and the voice of the 99% to finally recognize oppression as it exists for every single one of us except for that omnipotent ruling 1%, but (surprise) they are met with bullish cops who are protected with face masks, full riot gear, clubs, gases, lethal weaponry, throwing up barricades, bent on destroying that peaceful protest in a concerted move to preserve a corrupt power structure, you wish for us to somehow sort out the good from the bad?

Do you honestly think anyone who recognizes these mightily armed enforcers for what they are, should actually be labeled a "bigot"?


(on edit)

And please, stop trying to suggest that some here don't understand the meaning of bigotry. That term doesn't even apply in a struggle against the armed forces of an oppressive system.

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Are you serious?

Yet, one more who doesn't know a very simple definition. How unsurprising.

The OP said ALL cops. Is that so difficult for you to understand? Well, I guess it is.

[countryjake]

55. Can you answer my first paragraph's question or not? n/t

.

[Behind the Aegis]

58. I already did.

I can see that not only is not knowing the meaning of words, reading comprehension is also not a big forte for you either.

[countryjake]

66. Comprehending just fine...

and also quite aware of your weak attempt to somehow pretend that this wiping out of peaceful protests across our nation is NOT a determined effort by our government to stifle such dissent. Expressing disgust with the tools who are carrying out that mission is in no way bigoted.

[Behind the Aegis]

71. Apparently you aren't.

Otherwise, the post you responded to, with this as the very first fucking line, If you are talking about violent reactions from cops or their over-reaching, then yes, "Fuck them! (i.e. those responsible)", you would have realized your comment had been answered!

[slay]

14. How can one not after seeing how they treat #OWS protesters?

ever see a teabagger get treated that way? hell no - they even got to bring GUNS to their little get togethers with virtually NO police presence!

Guns at New Mexico teabaggers tea party - http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-las-vegas/guns-at-new-mexico-teabaggers-tea-party

[akbacchus_BC]

17. As if all the OWS protestors are angels! BTW, the cops superiors

give them the marching orders. So your ire is misplaced, blame the higher authorities!

Not all cops are bad, few misfits but most are good people!

[backscatter712]

63. "Ve vere just followink orders!"

That defense didn't work in Nuremburg...

[holdencaufield]

36. Tea Party Protesters

... assembled legally, and applied for permits
... didn't destroy property - public or private
... complied with police and fire dept rules for public safety
... didn't pose a threat to public order


You might revile the message of the Tea Party, but, they were model protesters AND they managed to turn their protests into votes. Which, at the end of the day, is what it should be all about.

Don't hate them -- emulate and out-do them

[Fumesucker]

40. The whole reason for OWS is because voting has become meaningless..

If the Democrats had done what they were elected to do then OWS would not be necessary.

[holdencaufield]

45. Voting isn't the problem...

...voting for some self-aggrandizing, petty-criminal who is looking to feather his nest with a book-deal and a congressional pension JUST because he calls himself a Democrat IS wrong.

Again, take a nod from the Tea Party playbook. Their movement vetted the candidates, canvased for them and got most of their candidates elected and they WEREN'T insider Republicans -- they were (for better or ill) people who represented the values the Tea Party espoused.

Do the same thing -- get OWS out of the parks and onto the web... choose your OWN candidates based on OWS values, canvas for them and get them elected. Then, do the same thing election, after election, after election, AND do it better than the other guys, until you have the government you want.

OWS, for all the noise -- changed nothing -- accomplished nothing -- and it still wouldn't accomplish anything if they stayed in the park for 50 years.

[Fumesucker]

52. OWS is just starting...

And if you think they blindly support Democrats then you have been listening to the wrong people, a distinct majority here on DU think the Democrats are only slightly less bad than the Republicans.

There is a hunger in the nation for honest leadership, we're not going to get it without a far larger social upheaval than we have seen in our lifetimes except for the very old (and I'm not quite there yet).

[randome]

67. 'A hunger for honest leadership'?

I thought OWS was supposed to amorphous and leaderless. So who is going to provide this leadership?

[Fumesucker]

74. You know that's a good point, you caught me using old style thinking..

Probably because I am old and we get in the habit of thinking a certain way, using certain phrases and it's really hard to completely change that mode of looking at the world.

Thanks for pointing out where I'm still unconsciously stuck in the old mode..

You might want to take a look at The Starfish and the Spider, it puts forth what I'm trying to say better than I can in just a quick blog post.

http://www.amazon.com/Starfish-Spider-Unstoppable-Leaderless-Organizations/dp/1591841437

We have a President, a Congress, a court system and a business culture that is riddled with corruption to the point it is threatening the stability of our society, it is a pattern as old as civilization really. We can either continue down the path we are or we can change paths. As a grandfather who cares about his grandkids I want us to get on a path that will lead to the best world possible for them, we are not on that path now.

[holdencaufield]

70. A few hundred...

... hipsters camping in $500 tents and going without XBox for a few weeks doesn't equal social upheaval.

[Downwinder]

73. How about a few million kicked out of their homes?

Or a few million kicked out of their jobs?

[holdencaufield]

79. Those people don't...

... identify with the hipsters in $300 Nikes tweeting their manifestos on iPhones... OWS isn't a movement, it's Spring Break in Fall

[Downwinder]

82. Those people used to wear $300 Nikes and had iPhones.

[Fumesucker]

76. The fact that you are here arguing about it makes it significant..

If OWS was having no effect you wouldn't be here.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you..

Predictably, you're trying the laughing part.

[holdencaufield]

77. People have spent....

...millions more words discussing whether Kirk or Picard was a better captain of the Enterprise... don't think because we gas about something on an Internet discussion board that it means anything significant to the rest of the world. Doing so would be the height of conceit.

[Fumesucker]

80. Right..

Have you looked at my other reply to you yet?

Oh, and for the record, Picard was a better captain even though I grew up with Kirk. ;)

[holdencaufield]

86. Kirk ... no contest

He never met an alien he could lay or blow up... what's the point in having a starship if you don't have game?

Picard was a beta male by comparison.

[Fumesucker]

87. The problem with Kirk was the gaping holes he left in the damn scenery..

They probably had to rebuild the bridge of the Enterprise after every scene..

Edited for Freudian slip..

[backscatter712]

83. Your concern is noted.

Isn't Free Republic expecting you?

[butterfly77]

85. The honest leadership will not..`

be found in the third party some are lookin for. The third party will be filled with the same CONS that are in both parties now.

[Lugnut]

20. Back in the 60s I never once referred to the police as pigs.

Today they have earned the designation. They're pigs and that's what I will be calling them from now on.

[No Joe]

21. My brother's a cop

And he's one of the good guys. But yes there are some assholes. He's told me that himself.

[Downwinder]

22. Is there a secret handshake or how do you tell a good one?

[akbacchus_BC]

24. Good on your brother, not all cops are dicks!

[No Joe]

35. Thank you

:-)

[Union Scribe]

42. Thank him for me.

I appreciate good cops because they have a hard job and their asshole co-workers only make it harder for them and the citizenry alike. The more good guys the better. But like Downwinder said, you never know which kind you get when you're stopped or approached or whatever. So I feel that distrust, and I hate that because I know there are guys like your brother out there, too.

[Leftist Agitator]

84. How long has he been working as a cop?

Because see, I have a brother who is a cop too. And when he started on the job, he was honest, forthright, and genuinely wanted to help people.

Now he's a racist asshole who thinks that anyone who isn't a cop must be doing SOMETHING criminal. Especially if the person in question is black or Hispanic. And it took him less than two years to develop these attitudes, almost as if through osmosis, from being surrounded by a bunch of asshole fucking pigs.

[tuckessee]

34. If this is about OWS then you've seen only 20% of what they are really capable of. n/t

[Dawson Leery]

37. BREAK THE POLICE UNIONS!

See my post above.

[Ed Suspicious]

44. It was very sad to me the other day when I was showing my

11 and 13 year old daughter video from the battle at Occupy Oakland and explaining to them that just because they are police officers doesn't mean they are good people. Felt like I was taking away a little piece of their innocence, but you know, you have to be on guard against everyone these days.

[Fire Walk With Me]

54. Don't forget those who give the cops their orders. Cops are just puppets.

[countryjake]

57. Actually, I prefer to refer to them as the armed enforcers...

this is a nationwide effort to end every Occupy protest, asap.

Gotta get them streets cleaned up for the Holidays, after all!

[Fire Walk With Me]

64. They're talking about a march in NY on the 17th. It could be HUGE.

I mean HUGE.

This is OUR country.

[backscatter712]

59. I've been there a long time. FUCK THOSE NAZI PIGS!!!

The Occupy movement bent over backwards to reach out to them, and they spit in our faces and subject us to horrific violence.

Like so many of us have been telling you, POLICE ARE THE ENEMY.

Fuck the pigs! Every single god-damned one of them.

Even the "Good ones." You don't see any of them lifting a finger when they see their coworkers abusing people. If you're a police officer, you're either a vicious thug, or a cowardly quisling. You can't be neither.

[Obamanaut]

68. If you have not met "all" cops, how can "all" cops be hateful? I've never had any

problems with the police, even when I was doing stuff I should not have been. Without exception they acted professionally and with courtesy.

Hating "all" of any group seems sorta bigoted, prejudiced, pick a term you like.

[backscatter712]

69. Try going to virtually any big-city Occupy event, and see how professional and courteous they are.nt

[rucky]

72. Do you hate the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Most folks came to the agreement not to blame the troops, and focus their anger on the decision-makers in the bogus war on terror.

Why is this scenario different? Because it's happening on our soil?

Hate who you want - just be consistent about it.

[Downwinder]

75. I'm not too happy with them when they come back and

try to treat me like an Iraqi.

[JoeyT]

91. Troops can't quit and go home when given shitty orders

and can be punished as criminals for not following them.

Cops can quit and don't have to worry about being accused of going AWOL or being punished as a criminal.

If the cops are busting heads, it's because they like their job more than they like leaving heads unbusted or because they like busting heads, not because they literally have to do it or be tried in a military court.

Bad analogy is bad.

[DCBob]

78. many have lost their jobs and there are more to come.

City and state budgets are cut to the bone and law enforcement will be cut along with everything else.

[backscatter712]

81. It'll serve them right. They're thugging themselves out of a job.

No sympathy from me.

[blueamy66]

89. Cops have never done anything good for me.

They couldn't even find my Dad when he took off and got lost in the desert.

Useless pieces of crap.

[Ahpook]

92. They need to understand their role in this society

Its sad!