Why won't the Dems just let the Bush tax cuts go???

[Greybnk48]

Instead the Dems in the "super committee" are proposing this convoluted bullsh*t. Just LET THEM GO! WTF!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/super-committee-democrats-taxes_n_1088407.html

[Crazy Dave]

1. Because they know we'll continue to vote for them...

...instead of republicans who want to do the same damn thing.

[redqueen]

2. I can't remember... how many Dems in the senate are millionaires? (nt)

[PoliticAverse]

3. See...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php?type=W&year=2009&filter=S

[Greybnk48]

7. Do they not watch the news. We're on the verge of a full

scale revolt in this country and they're in bed with the Right. If a Howard Dean type true liberal candidate comes along as a third party candidate (not some whack job) both of these party's are history.

[gateley]

10. There are only 5 House Dems on the 2009 Richest list, 14 in the Senate.

And even some on the Richest are fighting to raise taxes on the 1%.

[Greybnk48]

15. Then there's some hope. But why this nonsense on the

super committee give the national climate. It's exasperating.

[gateley]

16. Agree! nt

[kentuck]

30. Exasperating, yes...

I feel like this has been their plan all along and they have only been trying to figure out a way to keep the taxcuts and keep the base at the same time. They are not honest brokers.

[MrDiaz]

4. they are

The Obama Tax Cuts, they have his signature on them.

[Autumn]

6. Very true.

:thumbsup:

[OhioChick]

11. Good point n/t

[Autumn]

5. The tax cuts benefit so many of them.

Why kill the goose who lays the golden egg.:shrug:

[Greybnk48]

8. We're relearning the value of the Kennedy family who

to a person were champions of the poor and middle class. That's who I grew up with.

[mother earth]

9. Why are they meeting behind closed doors? What happened

to transparency in gov't promised going forward by Obama? Why are the 99% marching in the friggin streets? Why? Why? Why? Corruption & self-interest, brought to us by an elite, behind closed doors, super committee that is questionably bypassing the normal route of change and procedure, for a so called "accountability in spending" that nobody gave a shit about during 8 BushCo years that brought us this fiasco, instead of focusing on the jobs that are direly needed. I believe it's part of the Shock Doctrine, react to a disaster by making laws that are self-serving for the 1%.

[Greybnk48]

14. Agree agree agree.

Ramming more down our throats before we can act/react.

[gateley]

12. Can they do that with the Republican House and the Filibuster Loving Senate?

Sincere question -- I'm not sure what it would take to NOT vote to extend it. Do you know?

But back to the point, I'm so disgusted by the Dems on the Super Committee. This is not a magic group where the Republicans will all of a sudden work to truly find compromise. :grr:

[annabanana]

17. Al the Democrats have to do is. . . nothing. . . . That's right. Nothing

The Bush tax cuts will expire unless they are extended. You can't filibuster nothin'.

They are so damned afraid that the media machine will call it a "tax hike" that they're pissing themselves.

[Greybnk48]

18. You said what I'm feeling--cowards! n/t

[gateley]

31. Not to beat this, but does someone have to actually introduce a bill

to extend it? (I get confused and always forget/misunderstand what must go through Congress and what doesn't have to).

Thanks. :hi:

[opihimoimoi]

13. The refreshened Obama will demand higher taxes from the mega wealthy and No

changes to the big 3

He and the DEMs will prevail...

[JuniperLea]

22. Yep

and yep!

[kentuck]

23. I wish I was as confident and sure as you...

They want these big taxcuts as much as the Republicans. They are just trying to figure out a way to get it by the Democratic voters. That is what it looks like to me.

[opihimoimoi]

27. Reality Santy and Clarity demand a Tax INCREASE to fund the Recovery Faster and MORE EFFECTIVE

The GOPers and their Rich Buddies can go phuck themselves

[JuniperLea]

32. More and more of the 1% are coming out to say they want to be...

On the "Buffet" list. Not all of them are as greedy as some of them clearly are.

[kentuck]

33. I think the problems are mostly with the Republican Party...

Primarily, the leadership of the Republican Party.

[JuniperLea]

39. My dear kentuck...

You have a delightful way of stating the obvious!

:hug:

Yes, that is the core of the vile greed of which we speak, no question. There are a few at the top of the 1% who want all the shiny marbles, even if that means babies have no milk and seniors have no heat in the winter or medicine, ever.

[kentuck]

19. Thats when I leave the Democratic Party...

IF we have to depend on the Republicans to trickle down revenues for us, we are finished as a Party. They are not worth a bucket of warm spit.

Without revenues, Democrats are nothing but Republicans. Revenues to help people, create programs, and make a better society is why the Democratic Party exists.

If they extend the Bush taxcuts or make them permanent, I will no longer be a member of this Democratic Party. Sorry.

[Greybnk48]

20. I don't know if I can either. And I've been a Dem all my 63

years. I fear I won't be able to weather this and it's making me angry and sad. There's no need for this to happen. None. They would not lose votes over this, if anything they'd look better in the eyes of the American people. Oh, well.

[kentuck]

21. If they were to do that...

I could only assume one thing.

[Greybnk48]

24. I hate to think that Bernie Sanders and a handful of

others are "voices in the wilderness" merely indulged because they can't do any "harm" to the real system that the rest are a part of. I hate to be this cynical, but...

[kentuck]

26. I think it has been like that for quite some time...

It was only coincidence that they could always find "just enough" Democratic votes to go along with the Republicans to pass the Republican agenda or to stop the Democratic agenda. Just a coincidence.

[sendero]

25. Because they are working for the same masters..

.. as the Republicans now. Could it BE any more obvious?

[opihimoimoi]

28. Really?

[karynnj]

29. The mandate of the committee is that the tax rates WILL expire

That is in the budget that they need to find the deficit reduction from. The Republicans are looking for super deep costs so they can both get the reduction they are tasked to get and have the cuts made permanent.

[tritsofme]

34. Because Democrats are not interested in raising taxes on the middle class?

Which happens if the entire tax cut package expires.

[kentuck]

35. I am trying to figure out why I have such a problem with your argument?

At what point does the "middle class" taxes go up? Why don't we just cut taxes even more? Why would we need taxes at all?

[tritsofme]

36. We all know how the Bush tax cuts work by now

Marginal rates will go up for everybody if the entire package expires. Allowing the package to expire without doing something to maintain lower rates for the middle class doesn't make any sense.

[kentuck]

38. How about cutting taxes when you take back the Congress...

Three weeks later? If you or anyone is dependent on Republican taxcuts, then you should change Parties.

[WVRICK13]

37. No Secret Here

The Dems and the GOP are owned by the 1%, it just comforts us to imagine it isn't true.