I'M SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tcaudilllg]

The entire damn media controlled by money! Just read this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45219962/ns/business-world_business/

It's so light on Berlusconi. He's done the exact same thing the Rethugs have done here. It's all the same in every developed country today... the conservative parties have all reached the same point: get rid of ever product and service offered by government. That's why no one in the NOTICEABLE media is reporting on the real rage against Berlusconi, because then they'd have to focus on how fed up America is with austerity!!!!!!!!!!!! And look at the bottom: the RW anime-villain rejects are slamming Obama and us AGAIN. MAKE IT STOP. SHUT THEM UP. AND IF THEY CAN'T SHUT UP, DON'T DAMN RESPOND TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cirque du So-What]

1. Jeez! Bust a margin, why dontcha?

j/k

You're preaching to the choir here. I've been wracking my brain over how to circumvent the corporate media, but every scenario I envision still gets stymied by lack of operating funds. Politics and media keep the price to play prohibitively high for most people and organizations.

[RKP5637]

2. It's the ultimate power of high-powered monied propaganda, the power held by

a few huge conglomerates. And the others too little money to play the game. It's disgusting and is taking this country down.

[tcaudilllg]

6. Real problem is lack of local online news sources

We cannot win this with the national media. It's just not possible to connect.

[RKP5637]

9. Excellent point!!! n/t

[tcaudilllg]

5. Alternative media

I remember in 2004 there was this kickass Flash game where you could be Hulk Hogan or something and fight the Bushes. However, I think we're too direct. It's a game of trust... we need to ask deeper questions about the media players themselves. Strangely, it seems that question probing thing actually works.

We need to create nightmare scenarios and beg the question, how do you know the people you trust aren't really like this? Another thing we're failing to capitalize on: distrust of religious dogma. A lot of center-right people feel they are in a kind of never ending battle with it, and they would sympathize with us more if we gave them a hand.

[sabrina 1]

3. The system they have set up which has destroyed the world

is crumbling. Berlusconi, Sarkozy, the new Greek PM (specially chosen, not by the people, but by the desperate gang that cannot fix the mess they created, the British PM, Cameron, and Blair before him, they were all chosen for their roles, because they were and are all willing to destroy Democracy, (see Greece last week, and Britain also eg and France last Summer) by totally excluding the people in these democracies from any decision making whatsoever.

We are under the same draconian system which is why OUR government ignores us too, eg, when a majority of the people opposed the bailouts. Did the politicians listen? They did, at first, then were forced to go back and vote for Wall Street against the wishes of the people.

The whole system is collapsing, Europe is on the brink of a total meltdown because of the corruption and crime that has never been dealt with.

They are lying when they claim that 'austerity' is the 'only way'. They are lying because what they are really doing is again, trying to squeeze what is left to the people after all the other failed 'austerity' programs and bailouts for the banks, in order to save the banks.

Until these monsters, all of them, every politician who has been a part of this, is removed and replaced with real people's representatives who will begin the process of prosecuting all of them things are only going to get worse. Because things are already at the breaking point now. There is not much further to go before even they, Merkel, Sarkozy, all the puppets still trying to save the Banks at the expense of the people, cannot pretend anymore. They cannot fix what they destroyed, no matter how they lie about it. Italy is next, and soon all of this will be coming here. People should take their money out of the big banks, even if it's not part of a protest, because they may all collapse anyhow.

[tcaudilllg]

7. It's time for a total transition from republic to democracy at national level

[RKP5637]

10. Very well said!!! n/t

[tsuki]

4. Husband just heard on local news that the scary black man was gonna

tax YOUR Christmas Tree. I had to explain that the tax was requested by the growers' association (15 cents to be paid by growers) to fund research into making the trees healthier, rather like the citrus box tax paid by growers in FL into the health and research fund.

He got angry and asked why the media always has to LIE about things. Good question.

[csziggy]

8. Even the politicians don't understand these things

That citrus box tax? Gov. pRick Scott wanted to stop it. I guess he thought that would get the citrus growers on his side. They hit the roof. Not only is it used for research, it is also the main fund used to advertise Florida citrus. Scott did not have a clue. He had no concept that this was a tax that the industry WANTED.

I wonder how many of those citrus growers voted for the pRick? I wonder how many will vote against him next time around?

[tsuki]

11. Scottdemorte saw the word tax, so he figured he divide it up between him and his cronies. nt

[csziggy]

13. Yep, besides the guy only lived in Florida six months

Before he ran for Gov, knows nothing about the state and has publicly said he was not going to learn anything about the state. I don't get why his approval rating is as high as it is - it should be less than zero!

Scottdemorte - I love it! I called him Voldemorte the other day and hubby thought that was an offense to the Rowling character, LOL!

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. "a man who came to symbolize scandal and empty promises"

Do you really think it's light on him? More quotes about Berlusconi from the article:

Berlusconi's promise to resign failed to raise optimism...

Italy's president moved swiftly to reassure anxious markets, promising that Berlusconi would soon be vacating the premier's office ...

Having lost his majority in a key parliamentary vote, Berlusconi confirmed he would resign after implementing urgent economic reforms demanded by the European Union, and said Italy must then hold an election in which he would not stand.

He opposed any form of transitional or unity government -- which the opposition and many in the markets favor -- and said polls were not likely until February, leaving a three-month policy vacuum in which markets could create havoc.

It seems to me pretty clear the writer thinks he was awful, and is still screwing Italy up.

[butterfly77]

14. kicked