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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:29 PM
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John Kerry Pushes Supercommittee Alarmist Stance...Says We Must Cut a Deal
Pretty disappointing from Senator Kerry... thinks we should strike a deal with the GOP to avoid the trigger, which to Democrats is definitely the lesser of two evils since it spares the big 3 (SS, Medicare beneficiaries and Medicaid).

From the Boston Globe:

Senator John F. Kerry warned yesterday that the country could face an economic calamity with rising unemployment rates, escalating interest costs, and deep cuts to social programs if the so-called supercommittee cannot meet a Nov. 23 deadline to fashion a deficit-reduction deal.

The failure to reach an agreement would send a very dangerous signal to global markets that Congress is incapable of handling the nation’s financial problems, he said. In addition, he said, the automatically triggered cuts would gut programs for the poor.

LINK: http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2011/11/08/kerry-warns-liberals-that-deficit-committee-failure-will-cut-safety-net-programs/jvS4AAZPNPME6iivl30zmN/story.html


This trying to appease global and bond markets meme is ridiculous. They couldn't give a shit about this entitlement cutting commission a.k.a. the deficit "supercommittee."

From R.J. Eskow:

Economic Y2K

Every month it seems as if there's another "bipartisan" process designed to impose austerity on the American people. And every month we're told there will be terrible consequences in the world's markets if it doesn't succeed. These predictions are the economic equivalent of "Y2K" -- always apocalyptic, never true, and all too frequently believed.

Democratic officials and staffers are being bombarded by these predictions, delivered by think-tank operatives from their own party who have been steeped in the cult of austerity. It doesn't matter how many times they're refuted by impeccably constructed papers, or by the observations of Nobel Prize winners. And it doesn't matter how many times these predictions are proven wrong.

Some of the experts warning of doom if the "Super Committee" fails said the same thing about last year's Deficit Commission, too. What happened when that "bipartisan" body deadlocked, and the private plan put forward by its co-chairs went nowhere?

Nothing.

Now the same players are telling us the stock market will plummet without a Super Committee plan. They're saying there will be more downgrades of the US government by credit rating "agencies," and that this will bring disastrous consequences. And they're saying that international markets will lose confidence in Treasury bonds.

But recent history teaches us that the exact opposite is likely to happen. Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/a-super-committee-failure_b_1081095.html


Let's be clear, striking a "deal" with the GOP is going to require harmful cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid...the people who have already sacrificed all they have are being asked to sacrifice more and are admonished that they are being "obstructionist" and unreasonable and need to share in this debt burden.

It sucks, but the trigger is certainly less harmful across the board than any deal the supercommittee will come up with. Especially since this is not a serious group. You cannot fix our deficit without allowing Bush Tax cuts to expire and reining in the absurd skyrocketing health care costs. If you don't address these two major drivers, we're just going to end up with painful cuts from those who can afford it the least.

On Wednesday, a bunch of seniors and progressive groups are rallying in Boston against cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Hope some of you can stop by! http://bluemassgroup.com/2011/11/stop-the-cuts-to-social-security-medicare-and-medicaid-boston-event-expected-to-draw-thousands-wednesday/
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:32 PM
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1. Not one dime in cuts until the Bush tax cuts are rolled back. PERIOD.
What I wouldn't give for a bunch of Democrats with spines...
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:33 PM
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2. +1. We give things away for free n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:09 PM
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7. I'm with you, Truebrit71
Roll back the Bush tax cuts.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:17 PM
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8. Not one dime cut PERIOD. Time to draw the line and fight to the finish. We cant afford
cuts.

The system is rotten to the core
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:50 PM
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16. All of them?
Including the majority of which went to the middle and lower classes?

I am not on board for that, personally.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 01:51 PM
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33. All of them.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:51 PM
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17. +1000 n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:13 PM
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25. NO! NO CUTS to ANY of these programs...EVER!
They can cut the funding for the MIC first. They can stop spending our money on WARS.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:15 PM
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27. Not one dime cut to the Big 3 Period. They will reverse any defense cuts or
tax increases in the very near future even if attached to the social spending cuts. The Republicans will simply attach them to a bill that must be passed, and Obama will sign it.

The social spending is trifling as it is. They can fix our health care costs by doing something like every other civilized country does.

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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:33 PM
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3. Wow! How shocking!
Democrats advocating caving on this thing? Who could have ever seen this coming?
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:47 PM
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6. I now believe that little boot's policies, as well, as
those policies since Reagan have culminated in wealth disparity and anti-labor for the purpose of allowing the top tier to hold the power in this country, while leaving the majority of americans begging at the whim of the top tier. I believe it is and was deliberate. Pushing a united europe, the meme told to the people was in order to compete globally, some of your social programs may suffer. And even on this board, we've had people argue that wages in industrialized countries must come down to meet incomes in other countries.

To me, these are global giant corporations and leaders of other countries coming together for their best interests, not the world's or any country's. Again, I believe that the goal of the NWO is where global corporations have more power over any country in the world and eventually there will be very little nationalism. It would be corporate fascism at a global level.

Who attempted a coup against FDR and why were they not tried for treason? It was some of the biggest industrialists in this country. They have no fealty to country or it's people, just to power and control.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:08 PM
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23. Surprising, innit?
:evilfrown:
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:40 PM
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4. We can take John Kerr's ass out in 2014 if we need to.
They better not cave by 1 cent on those Bush tax cuts.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:05 PM
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21. Then MA Will Have *2* Repiglickin Senators
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 12:43 PM
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5. I sure hope Elizabeth Warren wins
so Massachusetts will have one senator that's worth a shit, anyhow.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:24 PM
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9. We are in a Hopeless Bargaining Position
The Republicans have unlimited leverage over us, we have none over them.
That means the Democrats will have to cave sooner or later, and it's really gonna suck.

Kerry is just delivering the bad news. Don't shoot the messenger.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:25 PM
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10. How is it hopeless? We simply don't compromise. I'm holding Kerry and every other Democrat
who subscribes to deficit hysteria accountable.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:28 PM
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11. Also, public opinion is overwhelmingly popular against cuts. So we have the power n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:32 PM
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12. They are NOT in a "hopeless bargaining position" and they do have leverage.
They have the power of a Democratic president. It's called the veto.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:34 PM
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14. +1
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:15 PM
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26. +2! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:34 PM
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13. No
"We are in a Hopeless Bargaining Position"


...we're not.

It's time for Dems to start calling out the Republicans.

Now, the media is hyping Bloomberg, who called for raising the Social Security eligibility age.

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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 01:35 PM
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15. +1
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:06 PM
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22. If the Democrats Call Out the Repuglicans and Nobody Reports It, Does It Make a Sound?
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 01:30 PM
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32. Don't act as though this is some monumental struggle
between the Democrats and Republicans and that Dems are fighting the good fight against evil Republicans at impossible odds. You've been denying that the New Deal was on the table every step of the way. The reality is that just like health care and financial reform and tax cuts for the wealthy the fix is in again and was in a long time ago just as many here have warned. It's been shameless denial and kabuki theater ever since in an attempt to shield the top party leadership from the fallout from what is about to happen.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:01 PM
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18. What did the Senator do to people today?
to get hated on? Too much GOP? :shrug:


Will leave it at there cause somebody may think me is stabbing him in the back. Peace.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:01 PM
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19. mr i gt a fucking plan, not fight stealing ohio
CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF. NO FUCKING DEAL. the publikkklans MADE THIS MESS THEIR WAY. they don't get to say how WE FIX IT.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 03:07 PM
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20. Whose side is he on?

Whose side is the Democratic Party on? When so many of the 'big guns' line up on the side of 'austerity', I think the answer is clear.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:21 PM
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29. It's not even a question anymore whose side they're on, is it?
The Democrats are who ensured the inevitability of the OWS movement.

We knew the Republicans would never do anything to improve the direction our country was heading, and the Democrats have now proved that they wouldn't either. OWS thus was born.
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Fawke Em Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:09 PM
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24. Fawke Em Says We Must NOT Cut a Deal, Kerry.
So do about 99 percent of the American population.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 04:20 PM
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28. Austerity is the reality and problem, not the solution. nt.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 12:42 PM
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30. As a One Percenter ...
he's no We.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 01:01 PM
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31. The DLC is very, very reasonable
and pragmatic.
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