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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:35 AM
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How Mississippi's Vote Today Could Put Pregnant Women Under State Control

AlterNet / By Amanda Marcotte

How Mississippi's Vote Today Could Put Pregnant Women Under State Control
A personhood amendment is a backdoor to stripping away women’s rights -- their very right to be considered autonomous human beings.

November 7, 2011 |


Tuesday’s ballot initiative in Mississippi regarding a constitutional amendment that would grant fertilized eggs legal personhood is polling right down to the wire, with 45% of Mississippians favoring it and 44% opposed. Gender influences opinion on this initiative somewhat, with men favoring it by six percentage points and women opposing it by four percentage points. Race and party affiliation has even more influence, with Democrats and African-Americans registering around 60% opposition to the amendment. This suggests that the racial and class-based aspects to this amendment that have passed national attention aren’t passing the attention of Mississippi voters, and hopefully fear of this law will be enough to keep personhood for fertilized eggs from becoming law.

Most of the national attention to this ballot initiative has focused on the potential effects it could have on access to abortion and birth control, as supporters of the personhood amendment erroneously claim that hormonal birth control works by killing fertilized eggs. (All forms, including emergency contraception, work by preventing ovulation.) These are very real concerns, of course, but not out of the ordinary for an anti-choice movement that spends most of its time trying to restrict access to contraception and abortion. The personhood represents an even more disturbing shift rightwards, because if it’s passed into law it will turn women of reproductive age into a criminally suspicious class whose privacy will be invaded and basic rights ignored, all with the pretense of protecting this new class of “persons”. If this law passes in Mississippi, women who have miscarriages could be facing the handcuffs, and pregnant women could very well lose basic freedoms to a state that uses the fetus in their bodies as an excuse to control them.

And the women who will be most affected will be those who are already targeted routinely by law enforcement: poorer women, young women, and women of color.

The campaign for the personhood amendment fallaciously claims that they’re just trying to return Mississippi to a pre-Roe state, but this is simply and demonstrably untrue. Fertilized eggs didn’t have personhood status prior to 1973; bans on abortion and contraception were generally justified by the state arguing it had a right to control sexual morality, which is why the court decided Roe on the basis of sexual privacy rights. Under pre-Roe laws, doctors were mainly the ones prosecuted for providing abortion, but under personhood laws, a woman who procures an abortion has taken a hit out on a legal “person”, and can also be charged with a crime. At it’s foremost, this is about expanding the power of the state to throw women in jail for private medical choices. ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/153010/how_mississippi%27s_vote_today_could_put_pregnant_women_under_state_control/



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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:41 AM
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1. Under state control, but probably not under state care, right?
I thought so.


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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:47 AM
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2. Bringing "The Handmaid's Tale" to us, one state at a time
Isn't Mississippi like a vestigial organ by now?


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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:31 AM
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6. We are like 50 years behind everyone else
But there are people who voted NO. My mom and I went to the polls already this morning.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:58 AM
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22. aerows
do you think it will pass? i haven't seen any polls on it.

even if it does i doubt it will survive legal challenge.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:07 AM
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23. I don't know
Honestly.

It scares the crap out of me.

Haley Barbour, as much as I dislike him, said he might veto it.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:18 AM
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25. he can veto a vote?
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:20 AM
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26. I'm not the most enlightened on gubernatorial powers
He seems to think he can. I don't know. It's better to strike it down in a popular vote.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:50 AM
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29. With this Supreme Court,
Roe v. Wade will be OVER.

Young women better get up and fight!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:47 AM
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3. What really kills me is the fact that there are women, who will be victims of the State if this is
enacted, will either be voting in favor of this constitutional amendment or not voting at all.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:27 AM
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5. There are still women with sense in Mississippi
Two of us voted NO.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:22 AM
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4. Not on my watch
I've made sure that everyone I know is aware of this bill. Mom and I already went to vote this morning.
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backtoblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:32 AM
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8. Thank you for voting!
:hi:
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:34 AM
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10. WAY too important to NOT vote :D
But yes, I get out and vote. It's my voice, and I'm going to use it!
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:31 AM
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7. If this sucker passes ...
Protest via used tampons. Gross, I know. But what if a large contingency of women packaged them up once a month
(within the laws -- biohazardous material requiring strict mailing procedures), and had them all delivered to
the mailroom of capitol building in MS? A gazillion fertilized eggs flow out with menses all the time.
We are all murderers now!

Just an idea ... I guess I'll have to hope to gawds we wouldn't come to that.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:33 AM
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9. I can't even fathom the harm it would do if it passed
I'm livid that it's even on the ballot. I wouldn't exist had this be a law, because my mother would have died before she got the chance to have me.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:39 AM
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14. I hear you.
I'm beyond livid at this point. I would have died without an abortion. I was suicidal after my dad's suicide.
Found myself pregnant -- had a plan and everything. The OB-GYN doc all but INSISTED that I abort, and I was all too happy to agree.

Amazing how anti-choicers are unable to understand the complexity of women & their issues.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:42 AM
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17. My mother was going into sepsis
My grandmother was a nurse and DEMANDED that they do a D&C. She had to be transported to a different hospital due to a miscarriage. If it wasn't for my father and my grandmother making sure my mother got the right care, I would not be here.

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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:46 AM
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19. I read your story in an earlier post and it was jaw-dropping!
We absolutely MUST stick together on this. :fistbump:
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:49 AM
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20. We MUST :)
Thanks for reading my earlier post, even though it was long. This is an important issue for women's health.

I can't state the outrage I feel that this is even on the ballot at all. If there is a woman in Mississippi, she needs to get out and VOTE.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:35 AM
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11. Although disgusting, each soiled tampon and maxi-pad will be
a potential crime scene if this amendment passes.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:37 AM
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12. The ramifications of this bill are incredible
It's outrageous that it's even on the ballot.
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:40 AM
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16. Precisely.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:53 AM
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30. I like your idea.....
I pray this doesn't pass. How does this patriarchy brainwash women into condemning themselves? Well organized religions do a damn good job...hell, just look at the Middle East/Africa with all the burqas and genital mutilation.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:38 AM
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13. I can't even express the disgust I feel...
and the contempt I hold for those who would have any part at all in passing this law.

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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:40 AM
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15. You and me both!
It's frightening that it is even up for a vote.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:44 AM
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18. Yes but for the 45% who want to protect the fetus - when it's born they scorn the child
:grr:
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:52 AM
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21. ... and the mother, fwiw.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:18 AM
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24. Kicking this for the people in Mississippi
Edited on Tue Nov-08-11 10:19 AM by Aerows
It's important. Go VOTE, please. For yourself and your future. It's our healthcare we are discussing.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:25 AM
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27. Vote no on 26 n/t
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 10:29 AM
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28. It's amendment 26.
Please vote no. I did this morning.
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backtoblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 05:05 PM
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31. kick
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 05:07 PM
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32. k&r n/t
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