My dog...We Are going into a Civil War...

[Taverner]

Watch some documentaries about the Spanish Civil War....

We are almost there :scared:

[lib2DaBone]

1. The divide is so great... and Fox News is so successful....

Fox News and Rush Limbaugh hammer away day after day.

The American public is so dumbed-down.. I don't think there is a chance for democracy.

I heard a conversation on the bus today... 4 people arguing about how Iraq caused 911.

The majority of Americans STILL believe that Iraq did 911 and had WMD's. (Thanks to G.W. Bush and Fox News.)

[RKP5637]

8. I watched part of what I thought was an excellent documentary recently, have

yet to finish it ... some call these conspiracy theories, but damn, look at where we are. These theories start to make more and more sense. This one started with 911, but quickly moved onto Afghanistan and Iraq, and a number of incidents. When one starts to see this all glued together, it starts to be more than a little scary, and then on top of that we have what you were saying, the constant hammering day after day by Fox News, Limbaugh and the like. This country is being driven into a frenzy. What a shame.

Full Movie: The New American Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fk6qkHs0oM

[Initech]

23. Fux Propaganda and Limbaugh have divided this country more than we were in the civil war.

I'm honestly scared that another one is going to happen in my lifetime. I'm really looking to move to another, saner country in my lifetime.

[RKP5637]

39. If I could I would get out of here. I left a number of corps. when I sensed

major trouble brewing, and my hunches were right. They were highly successful corps. and they are now all gone. I feel the instability in this country growing and growing. Just looking at the line up of R presidential candidates is enough to scare the SH** out of any sane person. This used to be a country that even if people had differences, they would find common ground and work together. Those days are long gone. All I see anymore is increasing polarization in this country. It's saddening and frightening. I really think the US is getting pretty insane.

[ieoeja]

46. The original North-South divide predated the founding of the country.

Southern colonies were founded by people wanting to expand the Empire.

Northern colonies were founded by people wanting to escape the Empire. Just look at the names.


South

King Georg(ia)
North and South Caronlina (Latin Carolus for King Charles)
Queen Mary(land)
The Virgin(ia) Queen Elizabeth


North

New Hampshire (wonder where these guys came from)
New Amsterdam/York (presumably from a different place)
New Jersey
Massachusettes (native place name)
Connecticut (native place name)
Delaware (native place name)
William Penn(sylvania a populist, anti-royal politician!)


The South started the war with a much better cavalry because the southern aristrocrats were largely descended from Norman nobility and kept those dreams alive. Before the Civil War they conquered Texas. They conquered Baja California then lost it. They conquered Guatemala, lost it, invaded again and were killed. They invaded Cuba numerous times. They believed that manual labor was beneath the dignity of those from a military culture such as the Normans, Celts and even the American Indian. One southerner (politician or journalist; I don't recall which) even went so far as to suggest that following the Civil War the Confederacy should start raiding the North as the English would make even better slaves than the African.

Every northern state had public education with a literacy rate over 95%. No southern state had public education and a literacy rate around 45%. Some southern states even had state laws prohibiting municipalities or others (re: northerners) from establshing free education. Literacy tests and poll taxes were enacted pre-Civil War to prevent the average southern White man from voting.

The South opposed railroads because railroads helped commerce which provided an anvenue for upward mobility for the masses.

And for the one that everybody usually gets back asswards: the North believed slavery was a States Rights issue that should be decided by the voters in each state while the South believed slavery was a personal right protected by the Federal Constitution.

[RKP5637]

48. Interesting, very interesting. I had never seem this presented in this manner and

it certainly reflects what we've seen and the ingrained attitudes!

[RKP5637]

2. I saw a number of them listed on You Tube, was there any particular one

you liked? I have such a feeling of instability about the US, especially if we go into another recession or worse, and many have been living the Great Depression now for a few years. And the politicians have a deaf ear, and look at the R line up of presidential hopefuls.

I agree so much :scared:

[madrchsod]

3. the president of the steel workers basically called for a revolution.

that guy was really pissed off today on big eds radio show..he actually said he was pissed off on the radio.

[former9thward]

42. The President of the Steelworkers Union is a citizen of Canada.

Maybe he should worry about his own country first.

[Capitalocracy]

4. Their side would have the guns and the money...

I really hope it doesn't come to that.

[ZombieHorde]

7. Our side will have the Marines. We win. nt

[guitar man]

13. We've got plenty of guns too

We just don't sit around wagging our dicks about it like they do. There are a LOT of quietly armed liberals out there. ;)

[Kennah]

15. It would not be fought with trap shotguns and hunting rifles

[kestrel91316]

24. Our side has better infrastructure monkeywrenching skills.

They need us to do EVERYTHING for them. Effing queen termites.

[bvar22]

43. "Their" side will have Guns, Money,

...and support from the NAZIs!

It wouldn't be pretty,
but neither is the future if something BIG doesn't "change" very quickly.



Solidarity99!
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[PETRUS]

5. Who will get to play the role of Franco?

[Demonaut]

6. Que?

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Or read about the US in oh 1856 or so

or 1857 or for that matter 1859...

Been saying that for a few years.

[ArcticFox]

19. Are you related to Zbignew?

Or just a handle?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Nope, the name is my maiden name

common as smith in Poland, though I am from Mexico

[Selatius]

10. Not enough suffering yet to provoke such a scenario.

That war erupted in the middle of the Great Depression. People were literally starving to death, and people wanted change, so they elected the left-wingers into power and a new constitution that was reformist, liberal, and democratic and was opposed by wealthy landowners, the Catholic Church, industrialists, and army officers, and the far-right rebelled and a bunch of right-wing generals launched a military coup to topple the government. Our economy is in rough shape, but no such left-wing political organization exists that could wield the level of legislative power that would actually frighten the wealthiest into open rebellion.

[JVS]

11. I don't see a military coup happening.

[RKP5637]

12. How about a corporate coup. Some are more powerful than countries and appear to

be calling all of the shots.

[nebenaube]

14. That concept is so past tense at this point...

what the hell do you think happened?

[RKP5637]

16. It hasn't yet commandeered the physical resources and flown the corporate flag.

[ArcticFox]

18. The revolution will not be televised

Pretty sure we're no longer a democracy. I'm only 34; not sure if our democracy was gone before I was born, or died during my lifetime. My hypothesis is it died with JFK. I don't think anything's been the same since.

[alittlelark]

22. I was born in '64 From Reagan on it has been collapsing

At least I was able to get a 'pre-Reagan' education.

[Art_from_Ark]

25. "Pre-Reagan education"

It does seem like there was a decided turn for the worse after the Actor got into the White House.

[MedleyMisty]

26. I was born in December of 1980

At least I got a pre No Child Left Behind education.

[RKP5637]

31. I don't this this is a democracy anymore. Also, congress has a 9% approval

rating now, and we continue paying their absurd salaries and benefits. Where else could one work with a 9% performance review. I'm a little older. I think similar, I watched democracy die in this country when they started murdering off the good guys.

[hifiguy]

54. Your surmise is correct, Fox.

The first and most important American coup was on 11/23/63. If you haven't yet read it, you owe it to yourself to read James Douglass' "JFK and the Unspeakable." It is the one truly necessary book about the murder of Kennedy.

[Selatius]

29. It doesn't need to. It's already got a grip on most seats in the US Senate and House.

Why else is the US slitting its own throat with the free trade deals built to ship American jobs overseas?

[RKP5637]

30. Yep, thinking on this again, they're already flying the corporate flag, it's the

USA flag.

[geardaddy]

34. Yep, here it is

[RKP5637]

36. Yep, that's it ... ain't the USA great! We're winning the race to the bottom! Go USA! Go USA!

Go USA!

[geardaddy]

38. I would laugh if it weren't so sad.

[RKP5637]

41. I never even wildly thought we would see the US in the state it is now, and

anymore it gets more and more frightening as to what is around the corner.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. ...

:patriot::evilgrin:

[FarLeftFist]

20. Plus they could always pay half the people to kill the other half.

They have that much money.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. I wonder. . .

Does the White Houserealize just how bad it is out here? Does Bill Daley even have the capacity to care? And HE controls access and info flow to Obama.

[RKP5637]

37. They either live in an absolute bubble, are part of the plan, are shielded and

not given proper info, or possibly don't care. If we had a R administration right now, the D's would all be screaming their heads off.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. All of the above with, not given proper info bring the exception.

[RKP5637]

49. Yep, it's very strange to say the least. Agree! "not given proper info bring the exception." n/t

[OmahaBlueDog]

27. It's possible. It's also possible we'll see a seismic shift in the parties.

Right now, neither party can deliver what its constituents want. The economy is stuck in low gear. Traditionally, this is when parties tend to go toward their directional extremes (as we've seen with the T-Baggers, and as we may be seeing with OWS). We saw this in the Great Depression with the rise of politicians like Huey Long and interest in both the Nazi party and the Communist party. By 2014, we may have four parties in the US -- if we still have a functioning republic.

[Change has come]

28. bullshit!

Imminent civil war is a fox "meme".

Whatever!



stop being :scared:

[Rebubula]

32. No...

...no we are not.

Not even close.

[chrisa]

33. +1 People even freak out when they're out of power for one day.

Nobody here really knows what real hardship is like.

The "heading for a civil war..." talk also sounds like the gun nuts that keep claiming Obama is going to ban guns - hasn't happened yet, and it will never happen - trust me.

[krabigirl]

35. No, we aren't. Nt

[former9thward]

40. You have confused the SciFi channel with documentaries.

We are not close to Civil War and we have no relationship to 1930s Spain.

[Taverner]

51. OK, I'll bite...

1 - The gap between the Republicans and Democrats has never been greater

2 - Political violence is at an all time high

3 - The system is making it worse for more and more people

4 - The Spanish Republic sought to end feudalism, and it did, only to have all progress reversed by Franco

Yes, there are some key differences - there aren't a ton of parties in the US. However, The Democratic Party is much like the Spanish Republican Coalition, and the Republicans are very much like the Falange.

[former9thward]

52. I just don't see it.

The Spanish Republican Coalition was a coalition of socialists and anarchists. The Democratic party is nothing of the sort. It is and always has been a capitalist party. I don't believe the Republican party is a fascist party. It insults the victims of fascism to suggest so.

I don't see any political violence at all. I will give you #1 but that doesn't mean civil war. The gap isn't so much between Rs and Ds as it is between urban and suburban/rural. It is just that Ds dominate in urban areas and Rs in suburban/rural areas. I don't think the "system" is making it worse for more and more people. We are losing our position as the dominant economy in the world and our standard of living is going down with it. No system will change that.

[Taverner]

56. The Republicans were more than just Socialists and Anarchists

They were made up of all parties that wanted to keep a republican form of government. Social Democrats, Christian Democrats, etc.

[dionysus]

47. massive overreacting.

:hi:

[Codeine]

50. Oh good grief.

That's just silly.

[snooper2]

53. Not with a 90% employment rate

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