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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:26 PM Original message |
"How did a cop...accidentally SHOOT someone in the head..? Simple. He was aiming at him." |
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dogknob (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oakland PD uses billboards to recruit n/t |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, if Scott Olsen didn't want to get shot in the head |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. Almost everything police do would be illegal in a war zone. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Thanks for the physics lesson. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I'm not sure I follow you. nt |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. That's gotta be a bummer. |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Cops surround courthouse to protest prosecution of police corruption. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
101. Should the security guards use tear gas & rubber bullets against them? |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
104. you know if those cops want to protest police corruption |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. They aren't supposed to fire at close range, they can lob by hand only |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Not the 40mm canisters, but I imagine they would have hand-thrown canisters available. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. I love them physics lessons |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. And I love knee-jerk snark when trying to inform people. nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I am talking about a procedure, probably written |
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digonswine (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. That's only true to a point- |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. The cop who shot him was less than 10 ft away. What he fired did NOT |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. My point was that it's not safe to fire over someone's heads as the OP mentions. nt |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. So you're basically saying there is NO safe way to fire a gas canister... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
60. Not at anything approaching those ranges, no. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Yes and no... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You're correct, air resistence means you'll never get quite as much energy back. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
80. Actually, the larger (and not very aerodynamic) projectile would suffer more air resistance |
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VWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. Not really. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Yes, but the speeds and ranges here are too small for BC to matter as much. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. Video footage contradicts that it just 'went up and sort of landed |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Just playing devil's advocate here. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. If you check the videos, he was standing peacefully alongside a sailor, both representing |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Okay. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Actually OPD has a history as a dept. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. None of his co-workers have turned him in, have they? They are just as guilty. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. The Blue Wall of Silence at work... n/t |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. Is it okay to use a paint roller? |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Yeah, they SHOULD start policing themselves. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. Thanks for your perspective and for focusing the discussion. |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Thanks for the thanks. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
82. Without a focused message? |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
88. Without a message. Are you kidding or living in a cave? |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
106. nah, been listening to the MSM |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 04:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
97. If ALL of the Oakland PD officers who know who fired that shot are conspiring to keep it secret... |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. If his visibilty was not good, he had no business shooting the damn thing. n/t |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Good point. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. The cop was less than 10 ft away. The air was not filled with smoke. He shot |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. I'd guess the cop that shot him, knew he was aiming at him |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
87. First rule of shooting. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. Agree. Totally. n/t |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
10. RIGHT!!!! They can aim avg waist high and get their point across |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Actually that's incredibly dangerous too at close range. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. And the cops probably antagonized the protesters to do something that would be their excuse |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
17. From what I've seen of various angles of the same time frame he was standing still |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
89. That a frightening thought. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
19. Same way Cheney did it. Inattention. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. You're far more charitable than I. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I do not know what happened, nor what whoever fired was |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. That's a noble and Olympian dedication to Truth |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Not all of them were Oakland PD. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. That's why I said "OPD and other riot police" |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. How did I not see that 'and other riot police'? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. There are specific policies they violated out of their own |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. "should have been trained to specifically avoid it" |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
108. I thought they were SF county sheriff deputies. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I've been in many demonstrations and have faced lines of police, |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. My badge of honour was a gassing and massive bruise from a CRS rifle butt. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. You don't understand. I keep an eye on them to see what is |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Add a bit of chaos to that... |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. To muddle things even further... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I simply do not know, and as far as I am aware, nobody but the |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. Not feeling bad enough to come forth and accept responsibility.. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
63. Watch. The. Video. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I'm not supporting anything. I'm offering possibilities. What part of |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. "Give me a link." |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. My error. I thought you were replying to me. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. Here's the problem with that |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
68. ROFLMFAO |
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RainbowSuperfund (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
84. When I feel like shit about a mistake I've made I go to the person I wronged and apologize. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
86. If you shot someone accidentally, |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
92. They obviously don't feel enough remorse to step up |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. So you haven't seen the video, then, or the slo-mo version, or the stills? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. No, I have not. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. You can find quite a few of them at DU. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I've seen several videos. None of them showed the Marine guy |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. And you haven't looked at the angles in the video? |
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randome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. A video shows only one point of view. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #74 |
96. What could happen off-screen to justify shooting him in the face? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I've looked at all the videos I can find, and cannot find one showing |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. "Clearly, the cops were firing at a low angle." |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I came to that conclusion by |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. By "low angle," I assume you mean anything less than a right angle. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. A lobbing shot would be something between 45 and 90 degrees. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-01-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Thanks for clarifying. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. Here. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
107. Yeah. I remember when Cheney threw the flash bang grenade to chase rescuers away from Whittington./t |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
39. THIS is how close Scott was standing to the police. |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Sickening. 80 - 100 feet |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. In Northern Ireland most serious injuries and deaths |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
77. Ugh. Oh, ugh...if we spent half the time using our brains to solve our problems |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
42. Photo of gas canisters used in the attack upon #Oakland. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
50. "Marine Says Oakland Used Crowd Control Methods That Are Prohibited In War Zones" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. CS gas is specifically forbidden under Geneva against enemy combatants |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
52. Thanks for this thread. I was afraid to start one. This question |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
83. Consider that TPTB have created their own enemies, and that all they do against us, strengthens us |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. It was not an accident, just like that flash bang grenade lobbed in as people rushed in to help the |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Don't forget the Boston police threw Veterans for Peace protesters to the ground and arrested them. |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Absolutely, with respect to what the "authorities" are doing against us, it is def Us vs Them. I |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
91. Sheriffs. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
93. K&R |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm guessing he'll lose 10 days of vacation |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. You've got it backwards. |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
100. kicking n/t |
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Homer Wells (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-30-11 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
105. A shame this is too old for a REC |
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