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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:09 PM
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Donate an Ark full of animals
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 10:20 PM by Renew Deal
I am apparently on Heifer.org's mailing list. They are a pretty interesting charity. They provide animals and training to people in need. You can donate cows, chickens, goats, ducks, etc. One of the donation options is to donate an "Ark."



"Two cows bring milk and income to a Russian village. Two sheep help families in Arizona produce wool. Two camels help families in Tanzania earn income by transporting agricultural and industrial materials. Two oxen pull plows and carts in Uganda. Two water buffalo help Cambodian families increase rice production through animal draft power. And that's just the first five sets of animals ... your ark provides 15 pairs of animals to change lives."

This donation is $5,000. I think it's a great idea.

https://secure1.heifer.org/gift-catalog/ark.html
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:12 PM
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1. I think my husband and I are doing Heifer for Christmas...
not a one of his siblings needs anything. My sisters need a little help, as they're younger with young kids. But his oldest brother is nearly old enough to be my dad, so what can I possibly buy him? A donation makes me feel good (and it might irritate my teabagger sister-in-law).
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:15 PM
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2. I like Heifer and used to donate to them,
but I wish that they had a less obvious religious agenda.

I'd like to donate livestock to third world countries but not through an organisation that doesn't also promote birth control. It's fine to give someone a few cows but if that means they turn around and have three more kids and then they all starve, you haven't really helped anyone in the end, have you?

And what's the benefit of donating animals to regions suffering from drought and erosion from overgrazing?

I prefer charities that look at the bigger picture. We can't ultimately help the third world without addressing climate change impacts, the carrying capacity of certain regions and overpopulation.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:16 PM
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10. I get where you are coming from
The religious aspect of this group is almost invisible to recipients.

Also - your overgrazing issue is pertinent. The animals - pigs, sheep, chickens, goats... Are all analyzed as regionally acceptable.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:20 PM
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3. I also just heard from them, junk mail in one of my inboxes, I think...
And I just skimmed through it and thought nothing about it until the ark picture, then tossed it.

Sorry that I did now cuz it looks more interesting now that I don't have it to look at!

:hi:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:21 PM
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4. Was it one of the charities that DU donated to a couple years ago?
I was guessing that's how they found me.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:46 PM
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5. LOL...
It might a benefit limited to moderators, one of the perks, like the extra Miracle Whip on our bologna sandwiches (have you noticed)?

:P
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:18 AM
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17. You'd think Skinner would give you Hellman's, but I bet that's reserved for admin. nt
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:05 PM
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7. No, it was one of the charities that started a war on DU
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:08 PM
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8. lol, I knew I remembered it.
:evilgrin:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:03 PM
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6. I had a friend who worked for them. They're a great organization
and really do a lot to help people become self sufficient.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:02 AM
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11. I know a local farm couple who went to Central America
about ten years ago to be trainers. They came home with enormous love and respect for the people they worked with. They went back a couple of times, and have lifelong friends from the experience.

And yes, it is a religious organization. The people I know signed up to be trainers through their church. They did not do any missionary work. They simply taught people how to care for animals.

Heifer Project was begun by the Church of the Brethren. They are another Anabaptist church, a peace church that does not proselytize, but reaches people through example. Not all Christians are fundy wingnuts.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:19 PM
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20. Yep, Dan West and the seagoing cowboys after World War II
The Church of the Brethren believes in no coercion in religion. We don't do altar calls or door knocking, and as one of the historic peace churches, we believe all war is sin. We advocate for simple living and place a premium on interpersonal harmony ("insofar as it is up to you, live peaceably with all"). Unsurprisingly, along with the Mennonites and the Quakers, we're one of the smallest Christian sects.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 11:10 PM
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9. We've been doing Heifer for 3-4 years.
The recipients LOVE it (ie- family and friends)!
Try your kids teacher.

It is about as good a gift as you can give!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:07 AM
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12. Absolutely not.
http://www.compassionatecooks.com/blog/2006/12/dont-give-cow.html

"Don't Give a Cow

Over the years, I have experienced much frustration and sadness over the growth in popularity of nonprofit organizations that send live animals to impoverished countries all around the world. This growing phenomenon is headed by the high-profile Heifer Project International, which – I believe – is doing a great disservice to the people it wishes to help, to the environment, to the public who is persuaded and mislead by celebrity sponsors, to the children who are desensitized to animal suffering, and to the animals themselves. Heifer Project is so successful at making people think they’re actually helping animals that I know of several animal activists whose family members donated to Heifer on their behalf, thinking they were doing something for animals. They thought, because these activists “loved animals” they would appreciate having a goat bought in their name and sent to a needy family somewhere around the world. Luckily, that hasn’t happened to me, but for awhile I was receiving their “catalog” – this is actually a full-color, very well-produced “catalog” of animals and children. You choose an animal – a goat, a llama, a cow, a chicken - or what they call an entire “ark” of animals and your donation is translated into live animals being transported to a family to be used. This, in my opinion, essentially amounts to nothing more than a slave trade – an animal slave trade.



Now, let me just say that I’m often perplexed by the claim that animal advocates are anti-human. You’ve probably heard that before or maybe you’ve made that claim yourself. What perplexes me about that accusation is that it implies that compassion for one species means lack of compassion for another; as if our capacity for mercy and kindness is limited. When we deem certain human groups unequal, we call it racism, sexism, or anti-Semitism. When we make this claim about non-human animals, we justify it – their inequality, that is – on the grounds of tradition, science, or religion. But there is a name for this – it’s called speciesism. The claim – that animal advocates are anti-human – seems really odd to me because though we are reminded every day that humans steal, lie, cheat, kill, rape, and hurt each other, I’ve never heard any of these people called “anti-human.” It seems to me that the accusation would better suit someone who actually acts against humans, which is something we see and hear about every day in the news, on the street, and in our own homes. Ironically, those who commit the worst crimes against humans are derisively called “animals.”



This societal premise leaves animal advocates reluctant to publicly object to such groups as Heifer Project International, lest they be accused of caring more about humans than animals. Heifer’s mission is “to end hunger and poverty and to care for the earth.” Their mission statement does not say that they give animals to people around the globe to use, breed, sell, and consume their milk, eggs, flesh, hair, fur, feathers, and skin. Instead, Heifer, whose $75 million revenue increases every holiday season, dupes individuals and seemingly progressive celebrities, such as Susan Sarandon, Frances Moore Lappe, and Jimmy Carter, into supporting what is essentially an animal slave trade.



Aside from the obvious problems this model creates: such as environmental problems economic problems, (raising animals for human consumption is expensive and inefficient) health problems (globalizing our preventable diseases such as heart disease, cancer, and diabetes hardly seems charitable; and despite the fact that two-thirds of non-Caucasians on the planet are lactose intolerant and cannot digest dairy, Heifer is spending millions on dairy programs in countries like Zimbabwe. The last thing a hungry child in Africa needs is the milk of a cow. Aside from these problems, and I’m skimming over only a few, Heifer perpetuates a speciesist paradigm, viewing animals as mere commodities with no regard for their own inherent value." continued at link
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:31 AM
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15. THANK YOU for posting this
I've often thought this is not a good idea and I'm very glad to see it explained so well ... Thank you again for this. :thumbsup:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:45 AM
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18. I wonder if this person believes pet stores are part of the "animal slave trade."
That article is overzealous PETA style junk. They oppose Heifer because they basically believe animals should not be used for food and to serve human needs. The second paragraph is all about their guilt trip for arguing against helping poor people.

The fact is that these animals are provided to people with training on how to use them. It gives people a start. For some it's the beginning of a farm. For others it's a source of fresh eggs, meat, and dairy.

It's BS and the author knows it. That's why he spends half the article defending his "anti-human" ideas.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 03:11 AM
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13. Start spreading the gnus
:)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:45 AM
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19. lol
:rofl:
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:10 AM
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14. Heifer International does good work aiding impoverished people to become self sufficient
Edited on Tue Oct-25-11 04:16 AM by Matariki
They aren't setting up factory farms.

I'm always amazed that some people would prefer to slander this organization and see people go hungry before they'd allow someone a couple oxen to pull plows or a couple chickens to produce eggs.
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 08:00 AM
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16. True, but many of the accusations leveled at those critical of Heifer are absurd
It is, at least in my opinion, ridiculous to suggest those that oppose Heifer are anti-human if they propose alternatives such as in the OP's article. That being said, I support Heifer and find some of arguments in the above mentioned piece to be overly sentimental. Livestock is and will remain a vital source of nutrition for the developing world. As you mention, the family cow model is far more effective at promoting economic progress and good health than the factory farm.
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