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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 09:41 AM
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Naomi Wolf comments about her arrest:
http://naomiwolf.org/2011/10/i-was-arrested-for-disorderly-conduct-although-my-conduct-was-peaceful-respectful-law-abiding-and-orderly/

:: Please note: Below are Naomi’s ongoing comments and reflections on her arrest the evening of October 18th. It is a compilation of posts from her Facebook page. We will update this page frequently. ::
UPDATE OCT. 19 9:55am – more notes from Naomi

- Please note that I will be on MSNBC at eleven thirty (eastern) today.

- Also: some press reports say that I was arrested because I ignored police warnings to get off the sidewalk or that I was arrested for using a megaphone without a permit. Both of these are untrue. I told the protesters that the NYC permit requirement that states that using a megaphone is illegal (though the officer who arrested me used a megaphone) is an unverifiable untransparent requirement because it is basically made up by the administration, permits can be denied with no recourse for any reason, and that we have the right to freedom of speech and assembly. I also did not ‘ignore’ police warnings to get off the street. I DISAGREED with them because I knew the law and I knew that they were misinterpreting or misrepresenting the permit in question. There is no requirement in the permit to ‘get off the street’ if you are not obstructing traffic.
In a real civil society you can’t get arrested if you are obeying the law. I was. My understanding of the permit in question was the legal and accurate one and the police’s interpretation of it was not legal and not accurate.

- So I gather from a note below at police are saying the event had a ‘street activities permit’ which allows the entity to ‘control’ the sidewalk for an number of hours. I have never heard of such a thing and if it exists it is a serious issue for a civil society. Can someone please call NYPD spokesperson’s office and ask them to send or scan a copy of that permit? It is a public document and citizens have the right to see it. 270 Hudson Street. Huffington Post Gamechangers event. At the very least we need a bill to ensure that the permits police claim are in force are transparent available documents, present and available to protesters and their lawyers to check at the site, and that they can’t just make parameters up on the spot.

VIDEO OF THE ARREST and more at link above
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 09:45 AM
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1. i LOVE me some Naomi Wolf!
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 11:53 PM
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4. Me too!
:)
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 09:45 AM
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2. These are subtle, but important, distinctions....
... media reports saying Ms. Wolf was arrested for this or that reason, while Ms. Wolf points out that the reasons cited are not valid.



More misbehavior by our bought-and-paid-for "free press".
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 10:26 AM
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3. Naomi Wolf is also scary smart.
I have no doubt they're going to dismiss any charges simply to avoid the embarrassment.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-11 11:54 PM
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5. I would have loved to have been with Gov Cuomo when he found out that she had been arrested
That would have been an interesting few minutes
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:29 PM
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13. The question is
do they have control over these police officers? The first thought is that yes they
do, but do they reeeally have control??
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:38 AM
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6. "They can’t just make parameters up on the spot."
But that is what they are doing.

The police are owned and controlled by the 1%. The 1% are annoyed with protesters. They send their police out to stop or disperse them and to make the protesters invisible to the 1% who are busy having parties.

The cops then make up laws in order to comply with the whims of 1%.

There are no laws. We are ruled by the whim of idle rich men. When they express their wants, needs or desires, the cops, their underlings, must act, any way possible, to fulfill the whims of the idle rich.

So they make up crap in order to appease the whims of fat little rich men. There are no real laws involved. It's all made up.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:54 PM
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10. Either make them up or just interpret then however they want.
She's a smart lady. I plan on following her posts on this as it continues.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:25 PM
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12. it's called MALFEASANCE
they make up shit on the spot as if it's the law, but it's not, once it's not
challenged it then becomes law because it is then seen as acceptable by the
public, it is a corrupt process that imo needs to be looked at, this is how
corrupt corporations gets away with corporate crime.

You could say most police department practice this act and have become masters
at it.
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:23 AM
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7. K&R. And a clear MUST READ for the legal standard presented.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 08:27 AM
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8. They either arrested the wrong person or the right person
depending on what side you're on.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 06:53 PM
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9. Absolutely.
I couldn't agree more. I've been fighting a cold and a toothache, and haven't had a chance to follow up on her website. I can't wait to see how this unfolds.
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-11 07:00 PM
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11. First Cornell West; now Naomi Wolf
I wonder what lefty smarty-pants will be next? Alec Baldwin? Susan Sarandon? Naomi Klein or Amy Goodman maybe?

I love how our side has people with actual functioning brains while the rethugs can always be counted on to be dumber than a bag of hammers.
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