Ha ha ha . . . that's cute, right wangers . . .

[HughBeaumont]

Elizabeth Hasselbreath was yapping up this graphic on The View today.

Soooooooooo . . . by your somehow awesome logic, because we're not all taking to the looms, the smithies, the mills, tilling the soil, using smoke signals, milkin' the cows, hatchin' the eggs, hunting/gathering, welding us some devices or building our own cars . . . this makes OWS "hypocritical"?

Here's the deal, slapass who made this idiotic graphic and trying to make a little "point" somehow: I can easily turn this around on your dumb ass and say "this is a picture perfect argument for WHY they're protesting"!! Buying local is getting harder and harder to do every day, especially if you don't live in a big city. Corporations can undercut the little guy in cost, distribution and profit/loss, making starting a business and succeeding at it damned near improbable. Everything you pointed to is made by slave labor to make the 1% rich. They still underemploy, overcharge and underpay us while being vastly undertaxed and pocketing fortunes. THAT is what's wrong and THAT's the point of the protests.

You know, it's kind of like when you TeaHadists use public-funded busses to attend your governmentally-permitted protests held in public parks to protest getting the government (really dog whistle for "LIB'RULS") out of your Medicare and Social Security. Or maybe you're using a GPS (DOD cartography) to get there. Then you go home using Hmmmm, THE HIGHWAY with your Support your Troops sticker on your bumper and cook your USDA-tested meat on an OSHA-approved grill and drink certified safe water from your taps. Before going to sleep, you'll probably surf the Internet or watch your Faux News or listen to Rush, who are (gasp) Union Members (AFTRA)!!. Come Monday, you'll attend your job that some buncha commie unions said should only be 8 hours at a fair living wage, with additional overtime pay if you work longer than 40 hours.

Walking that walk?

Same shit.

You ain't "walking the walk" your DAMNED selves. None of us do. Yet each and every ONE of us deserve to make our voice heard when it comes to injustice.

Really want to take US to task, 1%er wannabes?

[Betsy Ross]

1. Corporations don't make anything,

people do. Elizabeth Warren said it best when she said that no one got rich by themselves.

[bongbong]

44. Good point

Somebody with photoshop skills should re-do this graphic. Instead of company names, put "Anonymous low-paid employee made this", or even better, "made in overseas factory #10".

[sabrina 1]

57. Excellent idea. This is the latest Rightwing tactic, you know they

paid some 'genius' to try to come up with an attack on this movement when they are all saying the same things. Can't think for themselves, and their talking points are always so easily destroyed.

They are really frightened. At first they ignored the movement, hoping it would go away, now they are attempting to undermine it, but failing as the numbers grow and grow and spread across the globe.

It's kind of sad watching them use tactics that used to work when they had complete control of the media and the message. But now, they just look like what they are and always have been, whining, weak, helpless, corporate dependent wimps, struggling to keep their heads above water as the huge tidal wave of awakened citizens of countries around the world, is about to drown them out.

The are like fossils, interesting from a historical perspective, but way past the point of being useful.

[LeftinOH]

49. +1.

[Deep13]

62. Workers made all that stuff. nt

[Arctic Dave]

2. She must be stupid to see 90% of those are made over seas also.

You see, if we still made most of the stuff we consume instead of offshoring jobs, this would most likely not be happening. Looks like a few decades of "great quarterly profits" is coming home to roost.

[one_voice]

3. New one...

[flobee1]

41. apple earbuds-junk, threw them away

used, repaired ipod from craigslist
songs from bittorrent
self-refurb dell lattitude running ubuntu
backpack from thrift store
jacket from thrift store
ground my own fair trade coffee this morning and added honey from a local beekeeper(yummy)
no credit card-cash to local business only
thrift store jeans
vans-32 bucks off the discount clearance rack

thats how I roll :-)

[one_voice]

45. When Elizabeth dragged out the picture in the ....

OP on The View yesterday...I said the same thing. Most of what she was talking about was probably bought second hand. Either in thrift shops, craig's list/Ebay, yard sales etc...

Do they expect we'd walk around naked? Dipshits.

[HughBeaumont]

46. Maybe we should.

It'd be all but impossible for the M$M to ignore it then. :evilgrin:

Or else build us a couple of looms and somehow learn how to work that.

[NICO9000]

78. I expect nothing less from her

Her claim to fame was "Survivor," and now she's the stupidest person on morning TV which is truly a remarkable feat in and of itself. Another one-percenter getting a little nervous!

[AlbertCat]

47. Just more proof...

.... that corporations and Wall Street will do fine even if regulated. We need all this stuff in our civilization, so how is regulating, and prosecuting criminals in the Corporate world gonna "destroy" corporations? They will continue to make a load of cash after purging them of criminals and regulating them to stay fair. They will not be taxed into oblivion. They will do fine, just as they did when Glass-Steagal was up and running.

[Deep13]

63. Kind of an indictment of the big business take-over...

...of the consumer economy. If I could get clothes etc. from a small shop, I would.

[FarLeftFist]

4. The WORKERS are the producers. Besides, this is about WALL STREET, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT CORPORATIONS.

No one wants corporations to go down, we want them to play fair. Another reason the fright-wingers just don't get it. This message is TOO DEEP for their shallow brains to grapple.

[Honeycombe8]

9. Regarding corporations & Wall Street...it is not "down with" so much as the

fact that they are running the country....into the ground. In hand with the politicians they own, who do their bidding.

It's the UNFAIRNESS of it all. The facts speak for themselves. The rich have gotten much wealthier over the last decades, while millions have fallen into poverty. Something is very wrong.

But it's not anti-corporation. It's anti-"corporations are people."

[chervilant]

19. Shallow brain...

an apt description of poor wee Elizabeth.

[Tikki]

5. I believe in and practice recycle, repurposed and reuse....

Nearly all those items can be from recycling. The hair dye and makeup could be organic and homemade. I'll give on the razor blade...but hair can be waxed.




Tikki

[FarLeftFist]

6. BEWARE of the millionaire economist's propaganda.

[defendandprotect]

60. True -- but we need to stop buying stuff not made in USA ------

and we should be all be thinking of limiting bank profits by limiting our

use of credit cards -- !!!

[Enrique]

7. wow they nailed it

the straw man didnt stand a chance.

[villager]

8. Well let's see -- Weyerhauser gets its trees from public lands, the Gap shirt

...worn by the onlooking Wall Streeter is made in sweat shops, the makeup from Procter & Gamble and dye from Clairol is tested by the government for safety, the workers in Japan's offices at Sony and Nikon have national health care in their country, Alcoa has been involved in strip mining.... etc...

Hmm... I guess Hasselbarf left some of those additional annotations out?

[unblock]

10. people don't have a problem with corporations making products.

people have a problem with corporations refusing to fairly share the profits of selling those products.
people have a problem with corporations polluting in the process of making those products.
people have a problem with corporations deceiving consumers about the products they make.
people have a problem with corporations fighting against paying their fair share of taxes on those products.

people have a problem with corporations using the argument that they make products as cover for all the rotten things that they ALSO do.

[GoCubsGo]

11. Yup. Talk about not getting it.

Not that it surprises me that Hasseldreck and her ilk can't comprehend why those protesters are out there.

[unblock]

13. oh, i'm sure they do know why they're out there. which is why they claim not to.

they have to dismiss them as hippies and lazy marijuana bongo drumming freaks lest the movement be granted legitimacy.

anyone claiming not to understand why people might be pissed off about sustained official unemployment around 9% and a government that refuses to address the problem is lying, plain and simple.

whether they believe the government should do something or not is a political view.

but claiming that no one can have a legitimate grievance is complete crap and they know it.

[KurtNYC]

33. they get it and they are tasked with demonizing it

this is a pretty effective technique to use against the Left because we are a herd of cats and many of us are obsessed with answering to the Right. A discussion of this strawman attack replaces productive dialog.

[Hissyspit]

20. Not to mention buying our democratic process.

[mod mom]

51. unfortunately Elizabeth isn't smart enough to comprehend this.

She sure didn't get into her position by her intelligence.

[NewJeffCT]

69. + 1 million

or billion for corporate profits.

[Melinda]

12. After almost 11 years on DU, I just gotta say...

that you, HughBeaumont, have become one of my favorite posters. You've become outstanding this year, just completely superb. And like a fine wine, you continue to improve with age. Love this rebuttal, love your OP's, and Lord love ya for all you say and do.

:yourock: HughBeaumont :yourock:

Much appreciation,

Melinda

Oh - K&R too. ;)

[HughBeaumont]

25. Thank you. It's going to be a long thankless mission to get Reaganomics renounced.

:toast:

[Initech]

14. Hey right-wing assholes, I have one thing to say::

If no one has money, who's gonna be left to buy your crap?

[ehrnst]

39. The new middle classes in China and India. They don't need a middle class here anymore.

That's become pretty obvious.

[Kurovski]

15. "right wangers"

:rofl: I almost missed that. I think I'll start calling them "Right wankers" on the "Right Wank".

Hey, WHY does this only have 21 recc's? Step it up, DU. This is gold.

K&R

[formercia]

26. "Right-Wankers"

Beat me to it...:rofl:

[GeorgeGist]

16. I think you got EVEN with them ...

but no BETTER.

[lonestarnot]

17. K & R!

[Zax2me]

18. That pic is BS

you can't even tell what it is pointing out.
Specuation, 99% of it.
Which means 99% of it could be wrong.

[Hissyspit]

21. Graphic does NOT mention Banks, Brokerage Firms, Speculators

Bought Politicians.

Fucking idiots.

[Lorien]

22. They are simply obtuse. We have no problem with corporations who make products and employ

workers at a living wage. HERE'S the issue made simple for the simple minded:

We REJECT corporate fascism and demand true DEMOCRACY.

Our initial goals:

Overturn the Citizen's United ruling.

End Corporate "personhood".

Enact real Campaign Finance and election reform (if you can't run a campaign on a tight budget, you can't run a town or Nation on one either)

Reinstate Glass-Steagal and regulate Wall Street to ensure that they can't crash the economy again.

Force the rich and corporations to pay their fair share.

Remove conflicted corporate owned justices from our Supreme Court.


GOT IT FREEPERS???

[av8rdave]

31. Thanks for saying this. I was about to post that this graphic misses the entire point

Whoever made the graphic shown in the OP is distorting the issue. I don't think anyone has a problem with the corporations and what they make. The problem is what they don't pay in taxes, who they don't employ in the US, and their use of unlimited money to buy unlimited access to the legislative process.

[wizstars]

76. Sure, they're distorting the issue. Sophistry is the Repuglican way.

And they're scoring points (however wrong) by doing it. That's how they operate--take advantage of stupid. People don't realize the sophistry behind their lines/talking points.

[Norrin Radd]

23. There is no proof that that makeup and hair dye are by those corporations.

One can easily get organic, locally made cosmetics.

[joshcryer]

24. I didn't know these protestors were luddites against corporations and technology.

I haven't seen such poor false equivalence since the last time I clicked on an Obama bashing thread... :rofl:

[HughBeaumont]

77. I was pretty sure it would be only a matter of time before someone made something like this.

And did it so badly as to invite valid criticisms. As usual.

[Dogtown]

27. Cheap copycat

of the captioned photos noting the hypocrisy of the 'baggers protesting taxes whilst using tax-funded public facilities.

It's a false equivalency that will only resonate with fellow-'baggers.

Because they're too dumb to really get it.

:patriot:
:eyes:

[judesedit]

28. Excellent response. Don't let them badger you. They pay less % of their income than we do. Liz

is brainwashed like the rest of the right-wingers. Hopefully, you guys are waking them up one by one. Believe me, I'd be there with you if I could right now, like I've done many times. Fight on.

[Ganja Ninja]

29. Cameras - Made in China

Cell Phone - Made in Korea
Hat - Made in Indonesia
Shirt - Made in Pakistan
Bag - Made in Vietnam

[Octafish]

30. Kick and Rec and what Melinda said.

Know your BFEE: America’s Ruling Gangster Class

[KurtNYC]

32. Answering to this kind of thing implies that you accept this as valid criticism

Echoing this graphic just extends its reach which helps them distort our message.

[HughBeaumont]

34. No. It's meant to dissect it for the joke that it is.

If we're more than the "lazy, uneducated hippies" they say we are, we should be prepared to address every ONE of their criticisms. Lord knows they can't handle any of our questions about their TeaHadist gatherings.

[KurtNYC]

35. that post makes it sound like you are looking for their approval

Bill Clinton said "every time they attack you it gives you a chance to get YOUR message out"

and you do that by spending 10% of your answer debunking and 90% putting your own points on the board. So the answer for Haselbeck and this cartoonist is:

"Thanks for pointing out how many manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas but you seem to be missing the idea that Americans of average means have been marginalized by a government which is all but owned by big money. If one of your banker buddies forecloses on my home, steals my pension fund in a derivative swap scheme or tries to steal the funds we have paid into Social Security, if they give themselves a bonus for boosting corporate profits while not creating any jobs here my response will not include a conversion to Amish."

[HughBeaumont]

36. It's really not, because the reality is, the Right Wing STILL controls the message.

I mean, I see your point . . . don't give them the satisfaction of legitimizing their bullshit. But at the same time, just ask John Kerry how effective it was for him to ignore/not lend credence to right wing lies and/or strawmen.

The reality is, if it gets wide-spread enough, brain-dead UhMerica will look at this graphic and believe it, as they're so well-trained to do with any RW bumper-sticker-ready catchphrase/cliche.

[KurtNYC]

43. I agree which is why I am against spreading their sh..tuff

btw John Kerry won in spite of all the mistakes his campaign made, and then he refused to fight for it in Ohio.

The linked cartoon above is aimed at us. For the RW the PTB message is: OWS = lazy hippie-wanna-bes but for Moderates and the Left the attack is: 'You are hypocrites'

Just like the Al Gore thing -- the RW doesn't believe in global warming so why do they care if Gore flies on airplanes but those who accept global warming as fact are vulnerable to this tactic. This tactic is designed to separate the base from the cause by labeling those participating as "phonies."

The PTB is worried right now about Tea Party people joining into the 99%. In other words they are worried that THEIR base may be separated from THEIR cause.

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. +1!

:applause:

[think4yourself]

38. This quote just popped in my head.

Sorry we had to wear corporate clothes and use corporate made writing implements, but

"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."

[tavalon]

72. Good memory!

Kudos. Unfortunately, the idiots who are supposed to get your retort wouldn't have a clue who you just lifted that asinine quote from. Donald ______,? Um, Duck.

But I liked it. Thank you for the laugh.

[ehrnst]

40. They aren't protesting the existence of corporations - just the robber baron behavior

That goes unregulated.

[otohara]

42. Many, Most Made in China

Yeah, that's our American corporations for ya....
Even some "make-up" products are now made in China

[TuxedoKat]

48. Yes

someone should take that graphic and add to it the countries where these products were made, such as in China, etc., but make the letters in red to make them stand out.

[nxylas]

50. Anyone want to turn that fourth paragraph into a graphic?

I'd do it if I had the design skills.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. Here is how I have responded to people who have posted this on Facebook:

"This lame "joke" is like telling people who are protesting air pollution, "Yes, but you breathe air anyway." The way our society is set up, you have to use corporate products unless you are living on a subsistence farm in the wilderness."

[HughBeaumont]

56. No, just protest naked. And not eat, travel, drink or communicate with anyone.

You mean you don't weave your own clothes or shoes??? HYPOCRITE!!

:rofl:

It's amazing how broad their leaps are when they try to make points. Mike Powell would be jealous.

[DaveJ]

53. Repukes are Losers

That graphics displays their losing approach. We are not like them. Democrats/Normal People FIX what's wrong. Although I've had to disagree with folks numerous times here on this.

They think that if something is wrong, destroy it. They are the ones who think destruction is the answer to all problems, not us.

[sulphurdunn]

54. Ingrates!

Truth is, there isn't much of anything in that picture we didn't once make ourselves, couldn't still make ourselves or couldn't live without. Maybe if the people in the photo were making all that stuff they wouldn't be so pissed at Wall Street.

[HughBeaumont]

65. +200.

The operative phrase being "couldn't still make ourselves"; that is, if our beloved corporocrats hadn't shifted all of the technology to make that stuff overseas, all because mere "profit" wasn't good enough anymore.

[ejbr]

55. Awesome reply! n/t

[lunatica]

58. They missed the point by about a million light years

[defendandprotect]

59. Is she saying that no fair profit can be made without complete exploitation of labor/nature -- ????

[Beavker]

61. That is one of the most inane, illogical, sophomoric, backward

graphics I've seen. Oh, her Hubby was a Union member too in the NFL. So's her rich brother in law. You think they'd make millions a year if they weren't? Ask the Iranian soccer team how much their annual salary is.

[ocd liberal]

64. Thank you so much!

I have bogarted this to my FB page to annoy and/or educate my conservative "friends."
Most of them cannot read anyway, so I don't know why I bother.....
XOXOXOX You post the best stuff!!!

[Cherchez la Femme]

66. Righteous rant!

:applause:

[southmost]

67. wtf

doesn't this prove the validity of OWS

[apnu]

68. This hit my inbox too. I replied "By your logic, anybody who bitches about taxes shouldn't use..."

... police services, fire services, roads, drink water, use electricity, own property or vote. Because all that is provided by the Government in most places."

Funny... the guy didn't reply. I wonder why.

[mother earth]

70. They need to follow up with the rip-offs that each one can

tell the tale of, the 99%ers...corporations are not evil per se, their products are those of the citizens they employ...it's when they invest monied interest in the gov't and have a hand in shaping law that serves their interest, & if Hasselhoff doesn't get it she needs an education.

[AsahinaKimi]

71. Elizabeth Hasselbreath! Whats in your wallet?

[muntrv]

73. How many of those products are made in America? ZERO!

[kestrel91316]

74. I am not against corporations per se. I am against corporate greed and the

inappropriate corporate influence on government policy to the detriment of human beings.

[WiffenPoof]

75. They Completely Miss The Point!

The funny thing is that they have no way to stop this...

[Quantess]

79. I guess people are supposed to wear potato sacks?

I'm sure the RWers think it's really clever. It's a response to the picture of the tea party protesters with arrows pointing out that taxes paid for the road they're standing on, ligt fixtures paid by taxes, etc.

Yes, admittedly, it IS difficult to get away from these damned huge businesses.