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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 10:43 AM
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I thought Occupy Wall Street participants were all liberal. Well, they aren't!
In Wikipedia Encyclopedia's article on "Occupy Wall Street," about one-third
of the way down, there is this brief section on the participant make-up of the
Movement:

<< Participants

In late September, the Occupy Wall Street protest spread to Boston and other cities.
General breakdown:

The movement is leaderless,<38> centered upon the statement: "The one thing we all have in common is that We are the 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%."<39> The protests have brought together people of many political positions including liberals,<40> political independents,<41> socialists,<40> conservatives,<41> anarchists,<41> and libertarians.<40> Religious beliefs vary as well including, but not limited to, Christians, Jews, Muslims and atheists.<40> >>

This shows that there is a deep sense that our nation has been going down the wrong road, and this is being felt by a great majority of the American people
(outside of the Corporatists, NeoCons and TeaPartiers). Even Conservatives
and Libertarians have joined the movement -- the Real Conservatives, as opposed to the phony three mentioned above.

And looking at the way the Occupy Wall Street movement has spread - more
than 80 cities across the nation, the last I heard, and in only two short
weeks - one can't help but feel the breadth and depth of the anger and rage of a people who have been so completely and thoroughly wronged and abused by the
criminals on Wall Street.

Since the leaders of the Opposition Party (the Democratic Party) seem to be
incapable of dealing competently with the situation, the American people,
tired and frustrated with the endlessly repeated disappointments, have
decided to do something on their own.

It's clear to me that this movement is here to stay until satisfactory change has been brought about. I feel that I've had it, and so have the vast majority of the American people. This movement is for real!
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 10:58 AM
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1. It's Wiki.
Seriously, this is considered a 'real' information source?
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:04 AM
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4. About as accurate as most other sources, I'd say. I think I'll check up to see
if other sources say the same thing - just out of curiosity.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:21 AM
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6. I googled "Political affiliations of participants of OWS." The first page alone has enough info:
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 11:51 AM by Cal33
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:56 PM
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18. It is correct. Anyone watching this from the beginning realized that
this is not a partisan political movement. 99% includes all Americans. The people have been divided deliberately. That kept the broken system going. Nothing will strike more fear into the Economic Terrorists than to see the people united. So, we can stick to our 'party politics' doing the same old things, over and over again with the same results, or decide to change course. I think the huge and rapid growth of this movement demonstrates that since neither party has listened to them, the people have chosen to step up to the plate and do it themselves.

The extremist partisans on both sides will remain divided, but they are becoming more and more irrelevant. 'The old order changeth' and that's what will make this movement work, although it will take a lot of time and those involved realize that.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:37 AM
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19. "'The old order changeth', and that's what will make this movement work." Yes, I
feel the same way you do. The change advocated by the OWS movement
is attractive to a large majority of the people, and they will do their
best to help make this movement work. It's been a long, long wait,
but, FINALLY, something BIG is going to happen.
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CC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:02 AM
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2. Beyond it being Wikipedia
I don't doubt there are some conservatives there and know that Ron Paul supporters are there. So far I haven't seen anyone that was open minded try to tag the them with one label. It appears that they are trying hard to not be pigeonholed.


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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:48 PM
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17. Right. OWS does not reject anyone who wishes to join them.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:03 AM
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3. I can see the appeal to libertarians, true ones are anti-corporatist.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:15 AM
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5. Yeah, maybe there are a few conservatives there, but
they probably make up .01 percent of the people participating in the protest.

What are they there for?

Wall St. is the manifestation of the essence of their ideology.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:30 AM
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7. Maybe a few of the right-wingers aren't all that crazy, and then, of course, a few
of them might be there to do mischief. Anyway, OWS has a policy of
not rejecting anybody.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:49 AM
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8. A lot more than 80 cities
I don't know how many have had actual demonstrations so far -- but Occupy Together (http://www.occupytogether.org) currently lists a stunning 545 cities that are at least in the MeetUp stage.

(Actually, make that 558 -- I just reloaded their page.)

There's also the October 15 movement, which seems to be more international, and the Take the Square movement, which is primarily centered in Europe. And all of these are networking together and increasingly coordinating their actions.

This is really "think globally, act locally" coming home to roost.

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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 12:05 PM
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11. Wow! 500 plus! I am a bit behind the times. And I made no menion of Europe. A day
or two ago, I read that South Africa is also taking part. It
it truly international. I also didn't know that they are all
in contact with one another.

And in union there is strength, even when only ideas are being
shared, thus far. And some critics are saying that OWS is not
organized and has no leadership? It looks like OWS has a type
of leadership and organization that these critics know nothing
about.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 02:07 PM
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13. Two hours later and now it's up to 628
I don't know how many of these will actually come off -- it's getting down to the smaller cities and even suburbs -- but it seems like everybody want to get into the act.

The link for OCTOBER 15TH – UNITED FOR #GLOBALCHANGE is http://15october.net. Going by their listing of locations at http://15october.net/where, they are strongly centered in Europe and also have a very heavy Brazilian presence.

Take the Square is at http://takethesquare.net and the listing at http://takethesquare.net/squares-around-the-world suggests that it's centered in Spain.

Both sites also have cross-links with the OWS protests.

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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 02:18 PM
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22. Today, the worldwide cities having or will be having protests similar to OWS
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 02:21 PM by Cal33
have reached 853. It probably will be over a thousand by tomorrow or Sunday.
This is a worldwide movement. This could be the beginning of the end of the
period where corporations are telling governments what to do, and some
governments just slavishly obey!

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/676648/99_vs._1_--_the_latest_on_occupy_wall_st._movement%3A_853_cities,_occupy_philly_inspires,_media_coverage_improves
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HighContext Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:51 AM
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9. B-B-But, the talking heads tell me this is 'the LEFT's answer to the Tea Party'! [np]
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:10 PM
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14. Yes, it could be looked at that way. We don't know why some of them
would join the OWS movement though. :) Welcome to DU.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 11:52 AM
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10. Conservatives aren't the same as Neo-Cons
Edited on Thu Oct-06-11 11:52 AM by chrisa
There are good Conservatives with good ideas.

It's hard to tell now since our country has moved so far-right, but the sensible Conservatives are still there. They're also known as 'Liberals' by the far-right.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 12:17 PM
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12. You are correct. The NeoCons joined the Republican Party some 40 years ago,
gradually worked their way up, usurped the power of the
old-timer Repub. leadership, kicked them out, and were smart
enough to keep the Republican name, so as to keep on getting
the votes of the Republican members who don't even know of the
coup.

The NeoCons, Corporatists and Teapartyers are the phony
Republicans (conservatives). The real ones have had no say at
all since quite some time.

I think each time we refer to these people as "Republicans," we
are unknowingly helping them in their course of deceit.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:12 PM
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15. Nope... these are the 99%, that includes the MAJORITY of Americans
and it just illustrates how Americans are not being represented.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-11 06:17 PM
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16. I agree with you. Americans are not being represented in the way they should be.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 10:42 AM
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20. Anyone have proof that there are conservatives there?!
I've been down to Wall Street 3x already and I haven't seen any conservatives. FOX news already told them to HATE OWS so they received their orders already.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 11:16 AM
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21. I personally know of old-time Republicans who left the present so-called "Republican Party." These
latter are not "Republican" at all. They are the NeoCons who joined the
Rep. Party 40 years ago, worked their way up, usurped the power of the
former Repub. leaders, and threw them out. They were smart enough
to keep the Repub. name, so as to continue receiving the votes of the
old-time Repub. members, most of whom don't even know of the coup.
Corporatists and Teapartyers can be included in the same group as the
NeoCons.

Yes, the real conservatives have quit the Repub. Party long ago. There
are these who are pro OWS. I know of one.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 02:24 PM
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23. I have an old buddy who loves it. He is Libertarian who insists there is common ground...
..and he might have a point.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 02:41 PM
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25. So was it wiki that convinced you
or all the conservative declarations the OWS crowd has written about?

Sorry, but some Paulites do not mean conservatives and independents are a significant part of all this.
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