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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:18 PM
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The Republicans are stunned! Stunned, I tell you!!!!
Edited on Thu Sep-29-11 01:19 PM by kpete
Winning on framing: How Barack Obama is shoving "class warfare" back down the GOP's throat
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XXH684UVUs4/ToOFSafvH9I/AAAAAAAACdQ/sXAXTP7rmn0/s1600/pew+poll+sept+2011+-+Obama+holds+confidence+advantage+on+deficit.png
.........

....faced with a choice, the American people side with the president that the role of government may be limited, but it should side with the poor and the middle class over the rich, and protect investments in our future. Barack Obama just nullified the Republican potent weapon of 'class warfare,' and all they can do is sit and watch, probably stunned.

And this is Barack Obama's success. He has not only gotten the American people to think about those choices and make the correct ones, but he has methodically exposed the Republican party as the enemy of the middle class and working people. He has exposed the Republicans for their real agenda: dismantling social responsibility, strengthening corporate welfare, and let the rest of us go to hell. If progressives want to learn how to win long term battles rather than short term bitching contests, look at Barack Obama.


The Republicans are stunned! Stunned, I tell you!!!!
More Plus Links/Charts:
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/winning-on-framing-how-barack-obama-is.html
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:25 PM
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1. Nice to see at least some of America waking up.
k/r
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:26 PM
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2. And that frame, bluntly, makes Governor Christie a problematic candidate, despite his tough talking
ways.

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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 11:35 AM
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31. This is an awful thing to say but
I don't think Americans will vote for an obese man like Christie. You know, like the hair thing? People vote for candidates with good hair more than not? Dumb but in this case, reassuring. Mr. Christie looks quite unhealthy.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:33 PM
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35. True, let's hope a lot of people are believers.
The man isn't pleasing to the eye unless they only show his face. It shouldn't...but looks do count. Remember the Kennedy vs. Nixon debate. I just can't imagine Christie standing on a stage with all the other world leaders and they will think the rest of America looks like him...because the world knows Americans are the most over weight people. I would not be proud to have him represent the USA.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:18 PM
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37. A few nights ago, Olberman did a real good job on
how Christie has pretty much damaged his own chances of running for president because he's on video saying "I'm not ready". There is no way for him to realistically do an end run around that or try to keep the rug pulled over it. Christie doesn't know when to shut his yap before hit foot flies into it and now he has laid the groundwork for his own trouncing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 11:18 PM
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39. Why is it awful to say, really? You can feel sorry for him for having an addiction, certainly,
but would we vote for him if he was an habitual drunk? A coke addict stealing quarters from his kids' piggy banks to get a fix? Those are addictions, too.

How about if he had some other health issue--and obesity at the level he's at IS a serious health issue. He's not a chubby Clinton, munching that burger and halfheartedly jogging, he's TAFTian!!

If we knew he had major heart disease, or prostate cancer (things that can be cured but are serious), or if he were bipolar (another illness that can be managed with medication) would we be leaping through our own buttholes to be political correct?

I think we need to be honest, and look at that guy and say he is a heart attack waiting to happen, rather than play the "fat acceptance" game. We don't need a President on the brink of death due to his unhealthy habits--the job is stressful enough as it is.

I have a few pounds I could stand to lose, myself. I'm no Christie, thank heavens, but I could do a few pushaways from the table and they'd do me good. Many of us are carrying around a bit of winter insulation all year round. There's certainly empathy on some level for his condition, but you don't make someone President because you feel sorry for him, certainly (I'm disregarding the fact that he is a mean asshole, to boot!).

I think someone who's addicted to the occasional Big Mac and fries, or those cigarettes that will kill you slowly, well, that's one thing, but when someone is, quite literally, two and a half men in terms of his weight, it's suggestive of being totally out of control--instead of having just a bit of a vice. And if he's that "out of control" in that area of his life, where else might he be out of control? This is the guy who would have his finger on the button--I think we'd prefer someone with a bit more self control!

So don't feel bad. It's not an awful thing to say. He is what he is, and we can't be playing that "Emperor's New Clothes" game (especially with him--gaaaah!) and try to pretend the guy doesn't have his own orbit.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:31 PM
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3. Wow that is great news!
Short of a windfall of cash or something similar, I can't think of better news to wake up to! :)

+1 for sure!
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:38 PM
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4. K&R n/t
Lou
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:48 PM
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5. Stunned or stunted?
Actually, both. ;-)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:52 PM
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6. Who knew?
A Democratic president advocating for Democratic principles would garner public support in a way that a Democratic president trying to advance Republican principles never would. It's a puzzler, that's for sure. Totally counterintuitive to think that policies endorsed by a majority of voters would result in higher favorability ratings!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 01:53 PM
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7. Between Obama and the bat-shit crazy GOP - Obama is the obvious winner
against say Bernie Sanders - Obama looks HORRIBLE.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:06 PM
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9. Agreed!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:09 PM
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10. Even Bernie Sanders gives praise where and when it's due
I'm glad he's fair. Because too many people are far from it.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:09 PM
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11. +1
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:06 AM
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26. Right.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 02:00 PM
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8. Encouraging.... and very welcome news...
:thumbsup: keep it up, Mr. President. Please.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 05:48 PM
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12. K&R
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 06:12 PM
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13. Interesting... the independents are within a few points of agreement with the Democrats...
and an ocean away from agreement with the Republicans.

So much for that mandate that the Republicans are always wearing like a coat of shit-proof armor.

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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:33 PM
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14. doubt Rick Perry figured that out
when he cut funding of volunteer fire depts and let Texas burn. Hey yall wanted smaller government. next time you loose your axle because of a pothole. Just look over on the conservatives...
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 05:55 AM
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21. You can't dump everthing on God,
looks like God is getting even.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-11 11:57 PM
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15. i doubt it would have any impact
Republicans only believe polls they like. And that psycho lot in Washington have another year left to do lots of damage.

But good on the President for getting the word out effectively. Too bad he has to negotiate with knuckleheads.



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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:21 AM
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16. Just remember, Obama is in campaign mode. All of his hollow platitudes will quickly disappear once
he's re-elected.
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blank space Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:19 AM
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17. More over this doesn't mean a damn thing
take a look at this graph - all it is saying is that voters have lost equal faith in all parties equally across the board.

Sorry this graph points out that Obama has lost, relatively, just as much as anyone / thing else.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:39 AM
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18. Damn, I love this President!
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 04:12 AM
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19. K&R
It's the marathon!

:kick:
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RickFromMN Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 05:11 AM
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20. Good. Let's hope Obama wins in 2012. Let's hope Obama governs like he is now campaigning.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:09 AM
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22. I tangled with some rabid Reich wingers yesterday and they are
acting like Glenn Beck put the rat poison in the kook-aid.

Funny to see them GOPers in a tizzy like they are in and spinning their ass off trying to splain how W didn't ruin the country. The sane people in America know who the culprits are. The only leg they have to stand on is what a great job W did protecting America from his Daddy's friends and campaign donors the Bin Ladens, in the middle east. We saw what a great job the AWOL did on 9/11...Junior did more rushing through airports than OJ Simpson, on 9/11. Protected America at a dead run on 9/11...
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GaltFreeDiet Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 06:42 AM
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23. I took part in that poll, they called my cell Monday evening
Edited on Fri Sep-30-11 06:42 AM by GaltFreeDiet
Of course, I gave thumbs up for the Dems and thumbs down for the Repubs.
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hue Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 08:27 AM
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24. great news! for the Repubs and wealthiest who think they own
everything! If the upper 1% owned everything Obama wouldn't be president today.
They most fear the masses! Hence their continued effort to repress voting access.

This is such good news!! Together we stand!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:04 AM
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25. Excellent post.
I would add that, while Obama may have meant to send this message all along, he most certainly did not. Now that he has finally said it (or did he, I'm not sure), he needs to stick with it.

He has to win on this. His supporters are still hoping he can do what is right. So far this is only rhetoric -- no action.

Geithner, Bernanke and the right-wingers including Daley have to go. If we are to trust Obama, he has to change his economic team. We have to have much more reform on Wall Street. Much more. If Obama can't fire the conservatives he has around him, then his "jobs" and "debt" plans are just so much empty talk.

By their works, ye shall know them. We shall know Obama when he acts on his talk. He hasn't done that.

Obama doesn't need much from Congress to simply fire Geithner and Bernanke. And if Congress does not want to approve Obama's replacements, then Obama can just operate with temporary appointees of his choosing until Congress agrees to his picks.
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SparkyOR Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:11 AM
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27. But who's angry enough
to show up at the polls? Are those who are suffering going to know enough to act in their own best interests? I have my doubts, and no amount of money I donate for TV ads could make enough difference. I'm depressed :^(
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:24 PM
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33. Yes!
There are a LOT of Seniors, who are suffering silently!
WE REMEMBER, the brief period of time in America when it was working the way it was supposed to and even improving on THAT. Women's right to vote, Unions protecting good jobs & retirement, Civil Rights movement, terrific new highway system. Sane & Humaine Republican President. ( Eisenhower, the last)
We were taught civics in PUBLIC SCHOOLS, and after 5 6 7 8 decades. it's habitual, a sacred duty.
I did GOTV at the last election & that is who I was calling, the elders............
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love0bama-4ever Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 09:37 AM
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28. Let's all stay on Obama's side! He needs us against the Hellish Gop!
No matter what I and a whole bunch of friends and family are rooting for Obama again,
we need to win this fight against the Gates of Hell (GOP) because that's exactly what
they are, if they would win, that is the one and only main entrance to HELL.

OBAMA RULES 2012!

Miami for Obama!
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 10:16 AM
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29. The class war is all from the Repuke towards everyone else as Obama has stated nt
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Dutchmaster Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 10:59 AM
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30. Sure, now that he's trying to get reelected
Where has he been up until now? Oh yeah, he's been on their side, delivering THEIR agenda. Give him a second term he will go straight back to fucking us and people will be crying saying, "i thought he was going to put on his sneakers and come march with us?" That's the problem with American politics. People never fucking learn.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 11:45 AM
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32.  but he has methodically exposed the Republican party
.... as the enemy of the middle class and working people.

**********

Oh please. They did 95% of that themselves. Teabaggers got themselves elected and since then things are so crappy and the laws they passed so clueless and oppressive, everyone noticed as it finally hit them at home.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 12:29 PM
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34. His popularity is at an all time high but the MSM won't let you
know.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 01:04 PM
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36. Here is another great graph from MoveOn
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IXOYCtheFISH Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-11 02:31 PM
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38. Graph Public Confidence
I am a supporter of Barak O'Bama (nice irish lad). However,
the above graph contains some distortions. Those distortions
undermine credibility. the gap between Democrat and Republican
leaders in congress was 2% in Dec 10 and 4% in May 11. In Sept
11 the gap is 8%. The position of the lines understates public
confidence in the Republicans in May 11. It overstates public
support for the Republican leaders in Sept 11. The distance
should be twice what it is in May11. 
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