SAT Test Impersonator Charged With Fraud

[SoDesuKa]

NEW YORK (AP) An Emory University student was charged Tuesday with standing in to take the SAT for six students at Long Island's Great Neck North High school. The six high school students face misdemeanor charges.

Sam Eshaghoff was allegedly paid between $1,500 and $2,000 dollars to take the SAT for other students. Prosecutors say he was using the funds to pay for his gym membership.

The SAT doesn't measure what it purports to measure, because it can be beaten by ad hoc courses and specialized preparation. Whatever it takes to get rid of the SAT is fine by me, even direct payment of a surrogate to take the exam for you. I hope Eshaghoff beats the rap. He provides a needed, and indeed socially useful service.



No Shame in Performing a Needed Service

[chelsea0011]

1. It's cheating. At least 20% of schools are test optional now.

Going to test optional schools is a choice that is available to anyone who wants to go that route. My sense is people who cheat on their SAT's are trying to get into schools that the institutions think would not qualify. Cheating on the exam has nothing to do with feeling the test does not show anything about a student's ability to do the work.

[JetJaguar]

2. 1) Sam Eshaghoff is to stupid as

A) Lazy is to stupid

B) Stupid is to rich

C) Rich is to lazy

D) Gym membership is to expensive


2) 6 > 1

A) True

B) False

C) Just pay Sam

D) All of the above

[Octafish]

4. I'm copying this.

Thank you!

Edit: Wish I'd read you sooner.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Good. Reminds me of two guys taking the bar exam in NY in '92.

Both not only attended and graduated from the same NYC law school, but they took many classes together. Which meant they took exams at the same time (obviously taking the same test). The law school broke the class into two parts but logistically made the mistake of having both sessions in the same building on the same floor.

What these guy did was take a bathroom break at say 11:11 a.m., they'd meet, exchange answers in the stalls, go back to their respective rooms, and finish the exam by noon. They did this successfully throughout their tenure.

They decided it worked so well in law school, it would be equally effective in the Jacob Javitz Center. When you take the NYS bar, it's two days with a morning and an afternoon session. So they met four times. And they weren't naive. They scoped out the bathroom, looking for holes in the tile, behind the mirror, etc. and felt secure.

So it's the last session on the last day. Pencils down. Everyone allowed to leave. But there are two burly guys standing behind each of these two guys, telling them to come with them. The guys are led into a small room with just two chairs and told to wait. They were then shown a videotaped synopsis of their four sessions, exchanging information for the bar exam. A disembodied voice then reassured them that they had just pissed away seven years of their parents' tuition (bachelors and law school) and they would NEVER have a hope of practicing law anywhere and that included the Aleutian Islands.

From my standpoint, I struggled independently through law school, commuting with 40 lbs of books between NJ and NYC, no study group, esoteric topics that challenged me (Corporations) and I at least earned my C's honestly. I was very proud of my cummulative grade when I heard this story. Too many of these guys go on to be terrible lawyers.

[AngryAmish]

15. Your story is too good to be true

I call shenanigans.

[exboyfil]

5. The question becomes how do you allocate a scarce resource

Is the SAT much different than the European system of deciding who can go along for further advanced education? That decision is actually made at a younger age (15). At that point some are set on the college track while others are set on the trade track. Further tests are taken later to determine the academic level of the college you can attend.

I am not familar with those systems. Does anyone on the board have experience with the GCSEs or the A2/AS tests? Can these tests be gamed as well through preparation?

As far as SAT preperation raising scores in one sense does that not mean that the student is still learning the material on which they are tested? They are effectively going back and reviewing what they studied in school with consideration of how the material will be tested. Of course test prep firms also teach test taking techniques that also improve performance unrelated to the knowledge gained.

The SAT serves as an independent assessment of an individual's education beyond the GPA. Two major problems exist with GPA. The first is the big fish in a small pond. If the academic standards for getting an A are low because your peers at your school are less able, then should an individuals higher GPA be used as an advantage over children from a more competitive environment? The second is the everybody is a winner and gets an A - what value does the GPA serve then.

I would be in favor of eliminating the SATs under a system like the one UC adopted with some modifications. They have a system in which a certain percentage of students are taken from each school district. I like this approach because it also reduces the inequity built in to school districts and has an affirmative action component. It is not raced based, but school based so it eliminates that criticism. The caveats I would put into the system would be weighting of individual classes (weighted GPA). The other thing would be an allocation of extra spots or some other method to allow the opportunity for individuals in highly competitive school districts to also have a chance. Those spots could be based on the prior performance of the students by their school district.

Another possibility is to develop a pool of candidates who achieve certain minimum qualification in grades and classes and put these students in a pool. At that point we have a draft lottery for UC spots. That would stop the insane pushing for a perfect SAT. The schools could set the bar at the point in which they think the candidate will have success. The children then can enjoy their High School experience. We could also eliminate a bunch of administration types and replace them with teachers and possibly have more students. A win-win for everyone.

I think college administrators who make admission decisions and decisions regarding scholarships have way too much power myself. Their work is done without accountability and without clarity.

[Owlet]

7. The big difference

is that obtaining a high score on the SAT equivalent in most European countries does, as you say, place the student on the college track. However, university education for those students is paid for by the State, unlike the system in this country which is largely financed by scrimping parents or debtor students.

[exboyfil]

10. Not entirely paid and how egalitarian compared to our system?

I am not saying we have a perfect system. In particluar the for profit colleges and student loan/Pell grant situation is an abomination. This represents scarce resources that should be used for better trade/vocational school access to quality education. Liberty University is particularly obnoxious.

In our state at least if your EFC is under $1,000 (A family of four can achieve a under $1,000 EFC with an income in the $30-$40K range), you get a full tuition ride irrespective of your grades . States like Georgia are in even better shape with need blind Hope scholarships that cover a good chunk of tuition for B and better students.
A criticism of the Hope scholarships is that it represents subsidization of the wealthy with scarce state resources.

We have nothing equivalent in our state to the Hope scholarship. Schools like Harvard are known for need blind admission and generous financial aid packages. At Harvard you have no tuition under $60K in income and 10% of your income for tuition beyond that. It turns out that it would cost the same in tuition to send my kids to Harvard than to send them to our state school.

A criticism I often see is that schools give out too much merit money to the most qualified candidates (ie University of Texas shutting down the National Merit Scholarships for example). What is being proposed is a system in which the decision to receive a very valuable education is based entirely on merit. Now we need to decide what merit or other criteria is used to decide who gets that education. You can have only so many UC Berkeleys.

Does the European system (in particular) the German system promote a lack of intergenerational mobility. That is a criticism that I heard regarding the German approach. Only so many slots available, tuition is nearly free, how do we allocate the slots? Do we do it based upon tests?

We have a mixed system now in which we ask middle class individuals to bare a good chunk of their educational expenses. The poor and underrepresented have more money available to them. Some very meritorious students (those who would receive a free education in Germany) get substantial assistance as well.

An interesting article (http://jimsheng.hubpages.com/hub/Comparison-of-cost-of-higher-education-around-the-world)

"France has 82 universities, teaching 1.5m students. All are public; none charges tuition fees; undergraduate enrolment charges are a tiny €165. All lecturers are civil servants. Universities cannot select students, who can apply only to ones near them. The results speak for themselves. Not a single French university makes it into the world's top 40 universities."

Perhaps the French model would be the best one for our country. Note the article says 1.5 million in college. The U.S. has 20.4 million (http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98). Our population is five times greater than France so we have a difference of 13 million. Some of that difference may be due to demographics (more college age by percentage in U.S.). Also how many of 20.4 million are in private colleges that do not have a French equivalent?

A further complication is that many private colleges receive state funds for in state students. In addition the tax code is designed to with a $2,500 tax credit per year for everyone in public and private college.

[SoDesuKa]

19. George Bush Has Two Ivy League Degrees

Prestige universities aren't as selective as the use of fraudulent measures like the SAT suggests they are. The whole thing is a con job so that the children of the elite can be tracked into prestige careers.

Case in point: George W. Bush. He's not only an ignoramus, he's an ignoramus by choice. What does a degree from Yale mean when assholes like Dubya can get them? And he's got an MBA from Harvard as well!

Whatever it takes to bring down the SAT fraud is fine with me. It's all good.



Ignorant, and PROUD of it.

[exboyfil]

21. An interesting book on your point

is Crazy U. A bunch of parents had a Harvard admissions author giving a presentation. They asked him the acceptance rate for legacies. The answer was 30 to 35% and this is what was admitted to. This is over four times the regular acceptance rate.

I am not sure what you replace the SAT with if it is not used as a selection criteria. As far as private universities, they obviously have more leeway in the selection process, but still, because of federal aid and grants, they are tied to some level of fairness.

I have made some suggestions at another post. One is to allow a certain number of slots by school districts (primarily for state schools). Another is to have a minimum criteria for acceptance and conduct a lottery to determine applicants. Do you have some suggestions?

I don't think about such lofty goals as entry into an Ivy League. My interest is having more merit money available to go to state schools. I think it would be good public policy. Right now a family of four making over $50,000 will get nothing in my state for aid

[SoDesuKa]

23. Lotteries Are Unfair But Not Fraudulent

The difference between SAT-handicapped admissions and lottery admissions is that lotteries aren't fraudulent. So-called "aptitude" tests that don't measure aptitude are fraudulent.

The SAT should be defeated. The verbal part is ridiculous, and the math part is worse. Power to the cheaters! They should be praised, not prosecuted.

[HappyMe]

6. Our children is learnin'.

To be liars and cheaters. Isn't that cute.

[Javaman]

8. I understand why the SAT exists but I have always thought the methodology of it was weird.

I don't know if these still exist, but does anyone remember the old "Iowa" tests?

While in elementary school, these tests were given every year to determine the educational growth of students.

I have always thought these types of tests would be a better indication of a students capability.

Not only that, cumulatively, they would show the students natural bent toward certain subjects and areas of study.

And if a student shows, in their last few years in high school, a sudden bent toward math, it will be reflected as such.

The proficiency of ability would be shown in the tests grade. Especially if it is concurrent over several years. And shows improvement as the tests become more expansive with more challenging questions.

Just my two cents.

[exboyfil]

11. The Iowa Test of Basic Skills

are pretty much unchanged I think for a very long time. I have reviewed the questions from an older test, and I honestly cannot say that the methodology is that different than the ACT/SAT. They and their sister tests, the Cognitive Aptitude Tests, can be gamed just like the ACT/SAT. Trust me I know being someone who ensured his daughter got a high enough Cogat to see her placed in PreAlgebra in 7th grade (a class in which she got a B+ by the way).

A lot of criticism on this board is applied to the ITBS and other standardized tests. While these tests cannot capture all aspects of a well rounded education, I would argue that they do assess knowledge and growth. No test is perfect, but without tests how do you have any sort of quality control on education? If you have students that test well go into a particular class and their performance drops, does that not indicate that we have a problem. It may be a function of the children's motivation and support structure or it might be a reflection of the teacher. You at least have a red flag to investigate further.

[Javaman]

12. Exactly, it can be used in a variety of ways.

Having a one all be all test at the end of ones public school life to me, isn't a fair assessment of a students ability.

Some kids test really well others awful.

I've had friends that were absolutely brilliant in math but did horrible on the math portion of the SAT.

Then their were the regent tests in NY state. That's a whole other discussion.

[exboyfil]

13. I am really surprised that someone who does well in math

in school would do poorly on the SAT. Other than filling out bubbles isn't the same material as was tested in Algebra, Trig, and Geometry in the classroom? I actually think my daughter's Honors Algebra II/Trig class is structured with the ACT in mind. They do very intensive timed tests (30 questions in 45 minutes), and the only way to improve performance for my daughter is to do bunches of problems and look for methods to slice some time off for the test. I was just with her for over five hours the last two nights prepping for her latest test. I expect to do another 2-3 hours tonight. After she is done with this course, she should do pretty well on the ACT.

[Javaman]

14. Once upon a time...

this is 20+ years ago, math classes weren't taught with the SAT in mind.

They taught the then curriculum.

I have several friends today that are teachers and their sole goal is to teach to the TAS test.

They say that type of curriculum does a lot more harm than good. It's very confining.

[exboyfil]

17. I am an engineer and I have been through

a great deal of math (4 semesters of Calculus/Differential Equations, Partial Differential Equations, numerous numerical modeling courses, and of course the engineering courses which are mostly applied differential equations).

I can assure you that learning to do Algebra/Trig problems quickly is the best training for preparation to survive engineering school. My 10th grade daughter is able to work faster with better understanding than I had when I was a 12th grader. Of course being an engineer involves alot more than doing math problems, but it is the core of survival in engineering.

The thing that amazes me is how well many kids do in these math classes. I spend numerous hours with my daughter pursuing the elusive A. Those kids that can pick this up without such assistance are true marvels.

Remembering back to 12th grade Algebra/Trig in 1981 I came out of the class without a firm understanding of the concepts, and I was almost destroyed in Calculus I in college. If anything my daughter's teacher this year is superior to the one I had in 1981, and I have no complaint about doing lots of problems - that is how you learn math.

I finally got Calculus about three weeks in, but it was a near thing to washing out. Of course I did not have my own personal tutor. My daughter may not have my raw aptitude for math, but she is going to be far more prepared for college.

[SoDesuKa]

22. The Luck of the Draw

I didn't learn math in high school, and when I learned it later on, the career damage was done. If I'd learned it sooner, I'd have been a lot better off. You don't have to be particularly unlucky to be badly taught math, because math is badly taught just about everywhere. You do have to be lucky to get a good teacher early enough so that you don't suffer from math-phobia until it's too late to reverse the career consequences of bad teaching.

SAT does not correct for bad luck as the name Scholastic Aptitude Test would imply - that's why they changed the name. The SAT test acts as a multiplier of bad luck. The existence of a phony aptitude test suggests an underlying fairness that simply isn't there. It's a fraud. More power to the cheaters! They should be praised, not prosecuted.



Roulette outcomes are fair, but SAT results are fraudulent.

[exboyfil]

25. At least for math does the SAT/ACT offer a predictive

tool for success in math classes? I had a 31 in math coming out of High School, and Purdue looked closely at my placement in math. The score tended towards placement in Calculus I while my High School transcript leaned towards something like Precalculus. Precalculus placement would have been a sharp blow to my course sequencing leaving me behind my peers in engineering and guaranteeing taking five years to graduate with lots of filler classes not directly related to my major. I got an A in Calculus I so the placement appears appropriate in hindsight at least for me.

Now universities have lots of placement tests to handle this situation, but in the early 1980s they only had the ACT/SAT. Is the SAT math section really that much different than math placement tests? I have a hard time seeing, when I look at the test questions, how they are not just math related problems. I have purchased PSAT prep materials for my older daughter, and it looks like math to me.

I see lots of criticism for the SAT/ACT but then how should placement be done? If it is strictly based upon GPA (or even class rank when you have a bunch of 4.0s), you have incredible pressure to inflate grades.

I guess you could resort to some correlation of college GPA from students from particular High Schools.

Another measure could be AP tests for admission. There again that is a lottery that benefits the better schools that can offer those classes.

We have an index for admission (since the admission bar is pretty low in our state - it really does not have much impact). The components of the index are unweighted GPA, class rank, ACT, and the number of courses taken in core subjects (Math, Science, English, Social Studies, and Foreign Languages). Taking a typical performing 30 ACT student (85% class rank, 3.6 GPA, and 24 core courses), the ACT component accounts for 18% of the total index (337 in this case), and the ACT is the only independent assessment of quality of the education. All the others rely on the quality of the high school and the student's peer group at the school. Our local university has $2,500/yr for two years available for an RAI of 320 - the only merit money my younger daughter could expect. One thing is for sure I will not have her take the most difficult Honors math classes and get a B. I will have her take the regular track. She has a real shot at this scholarship.

[Yavin4]

24. Test Taking Is Why We're Going To Lose Our Competitiveness In The World

We're learning to take tests instead of learning the material. Everything becomes being able to answer a set number of questions in a short time period.

Real life works just the opposite. In real life, nothing is set. You have to adapt to changing criteria all of the time. You have to think of different solutions at the drop of a hat. Testing does not prepare you for that.

[exboyfil]

26. So European countries don't use placement tests

for access to universities or availability of college prep classes? That is news to me. The same can be said for Asian countries.

I am willing to bet the same schools which have the higher ACT/SAT scores are the same schools in which the students can write essays, lab reports, and are involved in art, music, etc.

I agree with the flexibility argument, and I view that as our strength. As we are already running a very expensive entrance process into our public universitiess, what should be the criteria used for acceptance and scholarship decisions?

[Yavin4]

27. What's Makes A Person Successful In Life?

Creativity. Problem solving. Communicating ideas to others. Leading others. The ability to learn new skills. The ability to work with and motivate others. The ability to listen to others. The ability to challenge established thought.

These are the skills that are needed to be competitive in this world, and testing barely identifies only one of them.

Now, you cite Asian countries in your post. Take a look at Japan. They have a highly regimented educational system which is heavily dependent on performance on standardized tests. Yet, there economy is in the second decade of a literally dead economy.

[SoDesuKa]

28. The Cost of an Uneducated Population - Ignorant Voters

America's overall intelligence level has been declining for years. We now have ignoramuses like Rick Perry running for president. He gets away with saying things like evolution is only a theory.

We can't afford to allow the level of stupidity to rise any higher than it already is. Bush was bad enough!

[Selatius]

29. A poorly informed electorate is as much a function of corporate propaganda as it is failed schools.

They don't teach economics 101 at the junior high or high school levels. I only really learned economics when I went to college, and that's also the point where my politics started swinging left. The more research I did, the closer I swung towards socialism. Today, I'm further left than most people in the population, especially in my state.

Our schools are underfunded, understaffed, and overworked. Years of "fiscal conservatism" lead to this.

[exboyfil]

30. We do teach economics in our school system

Our school system teaches Economics to everyone in 8th grade as a semester course. We also require some sort of Economics course for graduation (something like Economics, Consumer Economics, or Math for Daily Living as examples). Most students take the Economics class which also satisfies a Social Studies requirement.

It is ironic that the name of one of the courses is "Consumer" Economics. The school system might want to think about changing the name.

[Selatius]

32. You're lucky, the school system around here teaches none of that. It's incredibly backward.

Then again, I do live in the state of Mississippi, so I guess it isn't a universal experience nationwide.

[exboyfil]

34. Went to High School in Mississippi

I had a marvelous Honors English teacher and a great Chemistry teacher. Some of my other teachers were pretty good as well (Shakespeare, World Lit, U.S. History). My worst teachers were in 10th grade Grammar (before I got into the Honors program), Physics (taught by an engineer in her first semester of teaching), and Biology (a football coach). Overall I would rate the High School equivalent to my High School in Southern California (2nd-9th grade).

Back in 1981 economics was not even considered for a High School subject. As a matter of fact I went through Purdue in Mechanical Engineering without taking an economics class. The first time I took it was when I started working on my MBA. I love the subject along with finance, and I might have majored in econ or finance if I had to do it all over again.

They have been teaching Economics since at least the late 1970s to 8th graders in my daughters' school district in Iowa. I know this because my wife took it at the same Junior High.

[Selatius]

36. The school district I went to in MS had good teachers in English and Lit.

Chemistry was also a strong suit; our chemistry teacher was called Dr. Mize for a reason, and our physics teacher used to be an investigator with the NTSB after he had gotten out of the Air Force. He showed us footage of real life examples and explained the physics involved behind a high G turn among other examples. He even showed archival footage of a training accident where two fighter planes accidentally collided during training exercises. We didn't have econ 101, but we did have US gov't, which was taught by a coach. Our French and German teacher was one guy, a man born in the ashes of Germany after the war but every bit as strong in French as his native German. He even showed us a piece of the Berlin Wall at one point.

Looking back, I guess my high school was better than a lot of other schools in the state, and I was in awe of some of the smarter students in my class. I ended up graduating 13th out of about 200 students in my graduating class before going on to college to major in bus. mgmt with minors in comp. sci. and French.

I dabbled a lot in economics though whenever I was in down time and concluded the US economy was in a bad way several months before Bear Stearns imploded and started offering financial tips to friends going into finance and especially real-estate. I had picked up rumblings about economists not being happy that high risk mortgages were being packaged in with others in the creation of MBSs (mortgage-backed securities) and that banks were taking out what amounted to insurance policies in the form of CDOs knowing they would default. My classroom was every bit as much watching the crash and burn in slow motion as it was studying and writing research reports.

I regretted a lot of things over my learning career including student debt, but I won't give up what I learned for the world. I used to be center-right on economics issues and was partial to the propaganda around here that Bush was the better choice over that godless Democrat called Al Gore. I voted Green though in the end.

Today, if I could build an economy from scratch, it'd be a mixed economy with robust safety nets, but the twist is that there would be a permanent jobs programs dividing the economy between the traditional private sector and the sector devoted to labor co-ops. The government would have a formal policy of financing and advising groups of workers who wish to establish employee-owned enterprises. In short, giving workers a choice between working for themselves to enjoy the fruits of their collective labor or selling their labor to a private employer. The hope is labor would win the contest at the end.

[coalition_unwilling]

35. Isn't Mississpippi still trying to wrap its head around the whole

'Earth is round' thing? :)

[Selatius]

37. I can't speak to schools now, but it wasn't that big an issue back then.

Back then, the hot topic social issue was gay marriage and worrying about students snapping and coming to school with guns and homemade bombs. Creationism vs. Evolution was a bit further down the list of things to worry about. Incidentally, the state banned gay marriage and civil unions a couple years later. It was the same year John Kerry lost to Bush in '04.

[exboyfil]

31. I am convinced that it is an ideological blinders position

more than what would be considered ignorance (not to say Perry is the sharpest knife in the drawer). A coworker of mine is a Young Earth Creationist and one of the best engineers with which I ever worked. We knows the Constitution word for word. He is incredibly quick on technical problems. He has an idealogical position with which most people on this board would disagree (such as me), but he is not dumb or uneducated. He just refuses to let his spiritual world view be conflicted with by facts.

I am not sure how you classify such individuals. I spent a half a year going through "The Truth Project" in my church. I was the only dissenting voice in many engagements (evolution and being a "Christian" nation being the two most prominant examples). After that experience I realized that life is too short to continue this battle. I will worry about my childrens' education, but convincing that idealogical mindset is impossible.

Most kids in my daughters' school are sheep. Even the smart ones don't care a lick for Social Studies, and only a few care about English. As far as academic subjects their focus is Math and Science. When I try to dig deeper into things like the Battle of Britain, my daughter just shuts down. Don't know what to do about that. I remember being very excited by History in High School and being very disappointed when an AP type class in American History was not offerred because of lack of interest (this was in 1981).

[SoDesuKa]

39. Self-Inflicted Injury

We think of intelligence as God-given. People can do only as much as they're able to do, and more power to 'em. However, much stupidity is self-inflicted. Not everybody who listens to Rush Limbaugh does so because God shorted them on brains. But it's still true that Limbaugh's main appeal is to stupid people.

An acquaintance of mine let slip that he regularly watches Hannity. He had no way of knowing what that did to my estimation of his comprehension of the world. And of course I didn't tell him.



You Don't Have
to Be a Dumbass
to Watch Hannity

[dionysus]

9. first time i've seen outright cheating advocated on DU as being good. first time for everything i

guess.

:puke:

[SoDesuKa]

18. Defeating Operation Intercept

Operation Intercept was Nixon's attempt to stop marijuana from coming into the United States. It didn't last three weeks because of the ingenious way it was defeated.

Opponents of the program would rent a car that was completely clean, no marijuana anywhere. They'd drive into Mexico, and before their return, they'd take a small amount of well-dried marijuana and grind it into a fine powder. After they blew the powder into the interior, the car would reek of marijuana, and the dog at the border station would go nuts! The border agents would dismantle the car but find . . . nothing.

I am 100% in favor of defrauding a fraudulent system such as the SAT tests. It's not cheating at all, it's a response in kind. Even if the SAT's fairly measured what they purport to measure - and they don't - their use in tracking individuals into prestige careers is itself fraudulent.



Nixon, Big Time Scumbag

[dionysus]

33. "SAT is a fraud used by the elite to track their children into prestige careers." what about non

elite kids who score well on their SATs? are they part of some elitist conspiracy? what are you even trying to say here?

[SoDesuKa]

38. What the SAT Measures

The SAT measures the ability to score well on the SAT. It does not measure scholastic aptitude; that's why they dropped that from their name. SAT could just as easily be replaced by a test measuring the ability to recite 10-digit numbers backwards.

Non-elite kids who score well on their SAT's have demonstrated the ability to do just that, nothing more. Graduates of so-called "elite" colleges get better jobs not because there's anything special about them, but because that's how the system is rigged. If you happen to have a talent for the arbitrary skills that the SAT tests for, congratulations! You get to share your good fortune with the children of the elite. They don't deserve their good fortune either.



Elite College

[Yavin4]

16. This Is A Criminal Offense???

Sure. It's cheating. Sure. The guy can be sued, but arrested?? Come on.

[SoDesuKa]

20. SAT Is a Fraud

SAT used to stand for "scholastic aptitude test," but wanna know what it stands for now? Nothing!

SAT is a fraud used by the elite to track their children into prestige careers. The rest of us should oppose the notion that people who are selected into prestige universities somehow deserve to be there.

People with degrees from prestige universities aren't any more deserving of prestige careers than the rest of us. Would George Bush have become the Governor of Texas without a degree from Yale? It's a fraud!