The President is in serious trouble with the progressive left of his base.

[kentuck]

It serves no useful purpose to ignore it or to mock it.

The President has attacked the Republicans consistently for the last 2 or 3 weeks. He has called them out. The left should have been supportive of these comments. But unfortunately, many of them do not trust this President. It is as simple as that. And therein lies the problem for Barack Obama.

I can understand both sides. I consider myself a progressive of the left but I have been torn by the arguments from each side. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2012826&mesg_id=2013115

Personally, because of the very serious nature of the economy that he inherited, I am loathe to give up on him just yet. When we find ourselves lost in the wilderness, we must accept the very best guide available. We cannot argue about how we came to be so lost. We must deal with the future. At the present, the President is the best guide we have. Whether we like him or not, we don't have another choice. We may think we do, but we do not.

That is where I stand at the moment. I have been very critical of this President but so long as he is fighting back and calling out the Republicans, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. The other option is no option at all.

[polichick]

1. He campaigns one way and governs another - we can hope he means it now...

But all that hope didn't really pan out last time.

That said, he's still by far the lesser of evils so he'll get plenty of votes (including mine) - the question is, how many won't bother to go to the polls?

[Logical]

6. Great point......

I am almost madder at him now for getting back in "campaign mode". Does that mean he was faking it last time also?

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. It would seem so. I dont trust him.

:shrug:

[shanti]

52. once you lose trust

it's extremely difficult to regain it. that's the problem here.

[aquart]

23. Yes. It does.

It's just no longer relevant. We need a fully Democratic Congress to make him toe the line. WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY HAS TO GET OUT AND VOTE AND I DON'T GIVE A DAMN IF YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR NOSE.

[Logical]

34. I will 100% be voting all dems. And holding my nose for Obama.

[LooseWilly]

41. I'm afraid a fully Democratic Congress will just enable Obama to tack rightward more...

in some Quixotic pursuit of "bipartisanship" or "moderate voter support"... or some similar bullshit.

That's how little I trust this president at this point. I am afraid of what he would do with a Democratic Congress... privatize schools? Further cut public spending? "Reform" medicare and social security?...

I will happily vote for progressive dems... but I'm also happy to vote for Cthulu, Krusty the Clown, or my mom (who's dead) for any office that has no visibly Left candidate. That includes voting for the office of president.

If the Party doesn't like it... then they can produce a candidate worth my vote. I am no longer afraid enough to vote for the lesser evil.

[Jamastiene]

65. Oh, I'll be voting.

I have some great Dems in NC now to vote for. I'll be voting gladly for them. In the primaries, though, I'm thinking of voting for Robin Hood for president. It's not like it will hurt anything to vote differently in the primaries. In the general, I'll need several clothes pins for my nose.

[SavWriter]

99. We had one

We had a fully Democratic Congress for the first two years. We didn't need a single Repugnik. Yet we still spent a year and a half trying to get Repugnik support for the Heath-care Reform law. In the end, we finally passed it without them, which is what we should have done in the beginning. We gave them two years to frame the argument while we played into their hands.

[Exultant Democracy]

10. Campaigns one way and governs in another... and I for one wonder why

but unfortunately we have no better option so I will hold my nose and vote.

[ChiciB1]

38. I Agree With You... I See His Move As "Political" To Woo Us Again...

HOWEVER, what's on the other side is much to scary! And given where I live, he NEEDS all the votes he can get down here.

[Angry Dragon]

2. Could you please explain to me the difference between

a democrat and a progressive democrat .........
is a progressive the same as a liberal??

[KamaAina]

5. In a word, no.

Obama = Democrat.

Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Alan Grayson, Keith Ellison, Raul Grijalva, Lynn Woolsey, Maxine Waters = progressives.

One easy way to tell the two apart: Progressives generally support single-payer. Most mainstream Dems do not.

[leftstreet]

8. Was Obama a Progressive back when he supported single payer?

Then later became a Democrat when he was against it?

I'm so confused

[KamaAina]

9. Ah, so he was for it before he was against it.

:eyes:

[PurityOfEssence]

76. No, no, no; you're thinking about Kerry. Obama was for it WHILE he was against it.

He's on your side, whatever it is.

[bvar22]

84. Sad, but I had to laugh.

Unfortunately, you NAILED IT!



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by the words they say in front of the TV Cameras.

Solidarity!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Exultant Democracy]

12. Obama ran for election as a progressive, after he was in office he was a DLC Rahm Democrat

Which is just right of center on the political spectrum. Real progressives and liberals are on the left not right of the middle.

[leftstreet]

15. When he briefly embraced a Public Option I guess he was a Progrecrat

or something

[Exultant Democracy]

35. Actually it was the white house that killed the public option he said he supported it when he didn't

in reality.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html

[emulatorloo]

37. Joe Liebermann, Ben Nelson killied the public option

[Exultant Democracy]

39. Nope the white house did the killing. When dem senators started to push it the white house said no.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-senate-pushes_n_332844.html

[emulatorloo]

40. So Liebermann and Nelson were ready to vote for the public option?

Are you sure about that?

[Exultant Democracy]

46. Them voting for it or not is not the same as the white house killing it.

Nelson Lieberman and Obama were on the same exact page when it came down to brass tacks and Obama lead the rest of the party to them.

[Angry Dragon]

21. Those are examples not definitions

so progressive democrats are single issue democrats??

If people can not define the words then why use them??

[KamaAina]

30. That was one example

another is that progressives support tighter regulations on the banksters, while mainstream Dems don't want to bitye the hand that feeds them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. I really like what he's been saying lately

but my liking of his speech is what got me to back him in the first place. It's his follow-thru that sucks.

[leftyohiolib]

11. i just heard his quit whining speech and i heard him say

he wanted us to march with him, to find our marching shoes. it reminded me of when he said he'd march with us(unions). that if we went on strike he'd would put on his comfortable shoes and march with us yet when the time came..... well he couldnt find them. he still has my vote but im disappointed about that.

[sad sally]

59. You mean this one?

Defend labor rights
"Understand this," Obama said during a campaign rally in 2007. "If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I will put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll will walk on that picket line with you as President of the United States of America."

The President has yet to appear at a single protest or picket line in Wisconsin, Tennessee, Michigan, Ohio, Maine, Florida or Indiana where Republicans have worked to curtail collective bargaining rights.

[RKP5637]

14. Yep! Same feelings here too! n/t

[MisterP]

4. The meaning of "All hat no cattle" is "He has no cattle," not "Look how big his hat is: he must have

100,000 head! Maybe he's hidden them somewhere."

[hlthe2b]

7. That's about where I am, too, kentuck

I think there is time to turn this around, but I fear members of the administration--his advisers--arrogantly discounted the need to address the very real sense on the left that Obama had abandoned many of his major campaign positions. Yes, he's had successes. Yes he has had incredible and nearly unmatched challenges. Yes he has had the most recalcitrant and obstructive opposition one could imagine. All very true.

Nonetheless, either he has not acknowledged or he has not felt the need to try to explain his reasoning for changing his positions-- or he has been so ineffective in doing so, it seems that way. :shrug:

And those who would attribute my concerns, my disappointment, my almost suffocating sense of concern as being based on some subtle "racism" as was put forth by the highly respected Melissa Harris-Perry-- are just WRONG. And not merely offensively wrong. But wrong in a way that is self-defeating to our efforts to help Obama retain office-something I DO plan to do.

[Firebrand Gary]

13. I think most of us will fire up, however he's going to have to really work for it.

I personally want to see more of this strategic campaigning, take the fight to them.

[Bandit]

16. November 2012 is a long way off

I will hold further judgement until this next year plays out.. I will not donate to his campaign this year like I did in 2008 though..That could change as well depending on if he backs up his words with action or continues to capitulate to the Republicans..

[The Second Stone]

17. I'm going to vote for Obama

After much disgust and disappointment, I figure I have no choice but to give in and vote for him. The alternative is much worse. He appointed Kagan and Sotomayor, who are both much better than Republican appointees, and good jurists too boot. And he didn't get in the way of the repeal of DADT.

But I'm not going to donate any money or work for him. There are liberals that I can give to that need it in other races.

[yardwork]

18. One of the president's problems is the tone of his most vocal supporters. They're mean.

I noticed this almost four years ago during the primaries and it's never improved. They're just mean.

Every president creates a kind of brand that carries emotional feelings.

Reagan was "morning in America" and whoever created that brand was brilliant. Reagan's administration did terrible things but they created an aura of being friendly and even kind. I have no idea how Reagan's administration created an impression of kindness but he did and it was very successful, obviously.

George Herbert Walker Bush rode that "kindness" aura for a while - a million points of light - but it eventually disintegrated because people did not sense that G.H.W. Bush was kind. They sensed that there was something dark and troubling there. And there was.

Bill Clinton's administration seemed disorganized, impulsive, kind of goofy. Clinton was easy to mock. Many people despised him but slightly more found him to be somehow endearing, ethical problems and all.

The tone and "brand" of w's administration was very carefully orchestrated because it had to be. If people had been allowed to see what he was actually doing he probably would have been overthrown. An evil but brilliant public relations campaign by Karl Rove. Even in the age of the internet, w's followers were not allowed to taint his brand.

Obama has a problem. There is no sense of kindness or friendliness emanating from the Obama campaign. Obama's strongest, most vocal supporters come across as bullies, attempting to browbeat people into voting for him. This has been characteristic of his campaign since the 2007 primaries. I think that they think it will work again because it worked in 2008, but it might not.

[emulatorloo]

26. DU is a bubble. Separate the Obama campaign from anonymous DU'ers

Because they aren't the same thing.

BTW, I have seen extremists on both factions at DU post some really hateful vile stuff.

[yardwork]

43. I'm not talking about DUers. I'm talking about Tim Geithner, Rahm Emanuel, etc.

[woo me with science]

62. This analysis is spot on and extremely depressing.

You are absolutely right about the tone. From the offensive and bullying comments by Rahm Emanuel, to the frequent lecturing tone from the President himself ("eat your peas," "stop whining"), public jokes about TSA abuses, and the final straw of using the safety nets of our most vulnerable, Social Security and Medicare, as bargaining chips, this administration has made people extremely wary that there is a fundamental meanness at the heart of it. A lack of empathy.

You are right. People don't trust him. After nearly three years of more Republican policies delivered in this tone, they have reason not to trust him. That is why so many are frankly skeptical of the long-absent nods to liberalism we are hearing from him again, now that election season is here.

[yardwork]

68. Thanks. It worries me. Obama's tone is even less appealing than Carter's.

Carter came across as naggy and dour, but at least his spokespeople weren't mean.

[Union Scribe]

78. Spot on.

Outside of pop music, I've never seen people take criticism of a public figure so personally and respond so over the top.

[Faux pas]

19. The first time I laid ears on Barrack Obama, I thought to myself

"my God, this man's a mesmerizer. I hope he doesn't win on that alone."

Imagine my surprise when he got the nomination. I voted for him then b/c of that old lesser of two evils refrain. I believe we need more choices than just him this time around. Fool me once and all that jazz keeps rolling around with the marbles in my head.

[begin_within]

22. In serious trouble? He's already lost the left, if you ask me.

He really stands no chance of reeelection, in my opinion.

[Davis_X_Machina]

24. Fortunately the numbers involved aren't big enough to matter.

There just aren't that many 'progressives'.

[NNN0LHI]

25. I think you may be reading too many Newsmax headlines kentuck

Gallup poll released this week shows Obamas approval rating at 78% among Democrats. He is at 76% approval among those who consider themselves liberal Democrats. So just exactly where are you getting this information about Obama being in trouble with the progressive left of his base? Just curious about that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

[kentuck]

27. You do realize how many millions of votes 4%-5% difference can make?

Don't you? Each 2% is more than a million votes lost. Al Gore only won by 500,000 votes. :-)

By the way, I never read Newsmax? Do you?

[BzaDem]

42. The people opposing Obama are the same ones that oppose every President, and will continue to oppose

every President.

If you plot Obama's support among Democrats versus every President since JFK, you will find that Obama beats them all. There will always be SOME who are dissatisfied, but it is a mistake to assume that this is somehow specific to Obama. In both parties, there is a small group who will simply never be satisfied with anyone their party elects.

[Whisp]

28. dun't tuch the but

maybe the stats are taken from there?

[Lasher]

66. Hee hee!

For the uninitiated: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7950254

[emulatorloo]

31. In the Real World, his lowest approval numbers come from CONSERVATIVE Democrats.

It is a mistake to confuse DU with the real world.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Liberal Dem 76%
Moderate Dem 74%
Conservative Dem 69%

[SidDithers]

106. +1...nt

Sid

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[blkmusclmachine]

32. Not suprising, given how Obama's prone to praising GOP "leaders," the Tea Party Economic Terrorists,

and mouthing Republican Talking Points alienated real Democrats and DEM-leaning Independents in 2010. Looks like Obama learned NOTHING from that fiasco, except to "go harder Right." Obama's ONLY saviour for 2012 is if the GOP nominee is mouth-foamingly, howling-at-the-moon, insane.

[auntpurl]

33. Luckily, so far they all are!

[emulatorloo]

36. Link to quote where Obama "praises" the Tea Party members of Congress?

[JuniperLea]

82. Thank GOD!

That one was already on ignore. My head would have surely exploded!

[Major Hogwash]

44. Where are all the threads about Senator Mitch McConnell?

Funny how no one ever talks about him at DU anymore.

[NNN0LHI]

45. The Democrats in his state appear to be spending more time trying to convince us we don't like Obama

Glad you noticed too.

Don

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

54. Very few threads going after the Republicans but every other one an ODS brigade.

Was MHP right?

[dionysus]

73. because a lot people are using DU solely to attack dems. republicans always get a free pass. what a

shame.

[Bandit]

81. I am not disappointed by McConnel.. I know exactly where he comes from

I NEVER trusted or liked McConnel, did you? I did trust and like Obama though and I feel very much let down....I know there are many here that don't mind all the Right Wing policies that Obama has signed off on... I do mind...

[AngkorWot]

47. If only there were a way to ignore it and mock it at the same time.

Decisions decisions.

[lindysalsagal]

48. I don't see how staying home or voting GOP can help one little bit.

Give the enemy all the power? That will show my guy how much he's abandoned me?

This isn't sibling rivalry. This isn't a game. This is real and you'll have to live with the results if Mit is president, their latest sock puppet.

[elocs]

49. It would be hard to ignore it when you are beating the drum every day about it. n/t

[lib2DaBone]

50. agree

[love0bama-4ever]

51. Well, then we will have a darn rightwinger nut as President

They don't want to cooperate with the President? then i hope they don't scream their heads off and
start getting suicidal when we get a nutjob rightwinger crazy president. No way around this. Either they
go with Obama or else.

[CakeGrrl]

83. Au Contraire. With the nutbag GOP in the WH, we can all come back together, oh joy!

Or so I've heard the theory go.

Craziness.

[lonestarnot]

53. Welp. I understand why, but I'm not one of 'em.

Mr. President is still the President, and I have recovered my hope. :7

[hulka38]

55. I will no longer enable the DLC

[bluestateguy]

56. I don't need to get a warm chill up my spine when I am in the voting booth

Once that vote is case, it counts for the same mathematically as a person for whom voting is some kind of spiritual experience.

[Motown_Johnny]

57. all the polls say 80%+ of Dems approve of his job. He has no serious trouble

with the progressive left of his base


the 1 out of 5 self identified Democrats who don't approve of his job as President either would not be happy with anything no matter what or are sensible enough to show up and vote to help re-elect him.


Until you can provide some evidence of this non-existent trouble your statements can only be ignored or mocked.

There is more evidence of particles moving faster than light than there is that the President has a serious problem with his base.

[ThomWV]

70. I don't know what Democrats they are polling, every one I talk to has abandoned him

We live just far enough out in the country that our friends from town find this a comfortable place to stop by because its so green and quiet here, and just near enough that lots of them come. We have at least a dozen visitors a week during the summer. Because we are retired its just fine; we spend a lot of time on the deck chatting. Virtually all of our friends are Democrats. The talk always includes politics.

So I'm listening to them and I can not undeerstand how polls can say 20% of Democrats have abandon him because every one of them I talk to have said that they made a mistake voting for him in the first place and would not be repeating it. Now if they will or not remains to be seen, but that's what they are saying - and me too by the way. I do not trust a word he says. Let me see some action and maybe I'll change my mind, maybe others will too, but his great ability behind the podium hasn't translated to constructive action yet and if it doesn't then what good is he anyway?

[kentuck]

71. Hands over my ears....

I can't hear you!

[xiamiam]

75. that is my experience as well..very few trust him or support him any longer

only here do i see the list and the polls being posted ...but they as hell aren't polling anyone from my neck of the woods. I'm still waiting for something to be done to stop the foreclosures..reign in the banks..and the wars and drones....my god..he should give the nobel peace prize back..what a joke..

[Major Hogwash]

77. More people have abandoned DU than have abandoned the President.

I think peeps like you know why.

[Shining Jack]

93. Lol! What a stupid thing to say.

From the main page: 175,686 user registrations... Since 2001. How many millions of people have "abandoned" DU? :rofl:

[Major Hogwash]

97. Sadly, not very many people from 2001 post here anymore, Jack.

Out of 175,686 registrations, I'd say there about 5000 people active at DU these days.
And you will notice, no proof of "millions" was ever given about all the white peeps that have abandoned the President.

[BzaDem]

85. Furthermore, around 17% of liberals didn't approve the day after the inauguration. Yet the

vast majority of them voted for Obama. So if you are looking for a number that indicates which liberals won't vote for him, you aren't going to find it. It is too small a sample to actually be measured in any poll of a typical sample size.

That should cause certain people to rethink their opposition to him -- maybe there is something they missed, which might explain why they are getting this so utterly wrong. But I doubt we'll see such rethinking here.

[Motown_Johnny]

100. maybe you start the conversation that way and they just play along

[Remember Me]

58. Serious trouble with his base? Ya THINK?

Sheesh. He couldn't win me back if he turned into Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean AND Alan Grayson all in one. Doesn't mean I won't vote for him when the time comes, but personally, I can no longer even stand the man.

[kentuck]

60. But you are only on DU....

Nobody in the real world thinks like you. Just ask all the experts...

[woo me with science]

69. Yeah, I remember when I used to be a real person,

before I came to DU.

Weird.

Skinner et al. really ought to look into that bug.

:wow:

[BzaDem]

86. When did DU suddenly become opposed to facts and experts and reality?

[BzaDem]

87. .

[treestar]

61. Du Post # 456,456,566,000 saying the exact same thing

The polls say differently.

Try trusting Republicans.

[kentuck]

63. Sorry.

That's the best I can do. I wish I could slobber and rave about how great everything is but it just wouldn't be sincere. I'm doing the best I can do to stay on the wagon. I apologize that my cheerleading is not up to the standards of the "real" Democrats here on DU. My enthusiasm level is near zero and some posters are offering little reason to stay on the same wagon. I will not vote for a Republican. Even if they have a "D" by their name. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. My vote must be earned. I don't have to vote for anyone.

[Union Scribe]

79. Then you must like reruns.

Because more often than not you're in these threads moaning about them.

[Jamastiene]

64. I'm not really torn as much, but

I do see where you are coming from.

I wish he would stick to what he says when it comes time for action...at least a little more often. He says a lot, but when push comes to shove, he gives in to the Republicans' demands BEFORE they even officially start making their demands. That's the problem I have with him on a lot of things. I don't think anyone can say he drives a hard bargain. He just gives in too much.

He has done some good things, though. He has done some things that would never have gotten done under a Republican. I'm not sure what the problem is on the rest, but I CERTAINLY do NOT want to see a President Bachman or President Palin. :puke:

[Lasher]

67. Obama's approval rating just hit another all-time low in the RCP composite.

His approval was 42.8% on September 26.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

I'm going to guess that some of the 51.2% who disapproved are from the progressive left.

[dawg]

72. Personally, I applaud the President's change in tone.

I'm one of those who complained about the President surrendering to Republican frames. Now that he's acting differently, I'll be the last one to complain.

I don't know whether he is sincere or not, but I hope he keeps it up! He is now saying and doing the things that need to be said and done.

[Union Scribe]

80. Same here.

I've been contacting my reps about the jobs bill and I like much of what he's been putting out there. I wish his more ardent supporters would change with him.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

74. I may voice my objections on sites like this BUT...

when the NRA called last night to tell me Obama is in collusion with the UN via the Global Gun Ban Treaty
I make it clear I'm an Obama supporter. It may sound two faced but I'm not publically denouncing the President.

[Ikonoklast]

88. Naderites, Greens, and Socialists of varying types abandon a Democrat.

Not really news.

That's what they do, when their pet issues aren't immediately addressed by whatever Democrat is in the Oval Office.

They did it to every modern president with a 'D' after his name.

Fickle allies at best, Fifth Columnists within the party at worst.

[kentuck]

89. Do you really think average liberals and progressives, not on the DU...?

...are more likely to vote for Obama than liberals or progressives that post here daily?

[Ikonoklast]

90. I hate to break this to you, but

DU is not the real world.

The vast majority of people that cast a vote for Democrats have never even heard of DU, no matter how they self-identify politically.

[kentuck]

91. And the Democrats you speak with all support Obama?

That is really good news. I know several Democrats, that do not post on DU, that are terribly disappointed and probably will not vote at all.

[Ikonoklast]

92. Come to a union retiree meeting with me.

They're getting ready to gear up for 2012.

They see any outcome other than PBO getting re-elected as a disaster.

[BzaDem]

94. Fortunately, we have a way to measure that. It is called every single poll ever taken.

They all are unanimous: the vast majority of the Democratic party approves of Obama's job performance. Partisan polls on both sides, non-partisan polls, media polls, and non-media polls all show the exact same thing. Including polls that have been very accurate in predicting elections in the past.

In a normal world, people who oppose Obama would at the very least admit that they are in a tiny minority -- a minority smaller for Obama than any past President since JFK.

But apparently, some people instead decide that their personal anecdotes invalidate the undeniable and unanimous conclusion of all the data that exists. It is a real shame that some in our party have decided to jump onto the anti-data, anti-fact platform, at least in this instance.

[Major Hogwash]

98. Unfortunately, facts and figures do not sway him from his belief. An intervention may be necessary.

I've been warned that there were a lot like him here at the DU, but so far, I've only seen a handful.

:popcorn:

[Creideiki]

102. ...abandon a Democrat who governs from the Right

This surprises you? And you think "we're" fickle?

The Fifth Columnists are the Blanche Lincoln's, the Max Baucus', and, sadly, the Barack Obama's.

Of course, conservatives don't want the boat rocked. Condi's dad didn't approve of Martin Luther King, Jr., either. And the game hasn't changed and likely never will.

Truman told the conservatives in the party the truth: "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican they'll choose the real thing every time." All the conservatives in the party have to decide is this: How much fun is it to be out of power in all 3 branches of government? Because that's what they seem to want.

[BzaDem]

104. What makes you think Democratic politicians are particularly afraid about being out of power?

They will happily accept jobs making five times what they made before. In the case of house members, they might even have more influence as lobbyists than in their original position.

They aren't hurt by claimed-progressives electing the Republicans instead. Former politicians generally have plenty of money and would not be personally hurt if Medicare were vouchered or eliminated, or if its constitutional authority no longer existed for a generation. The ones that are hurt are the claimed progressives.

If these folks want to find a strategy to move the government to the left, they should probably make sure it doesn't multiply the income of precisely those they want to defeat, while only hurting themselves in the process.

Yes, in the imaginations of a few, Obama is governing from the right. For that matter, in their opinion, so has every single President since Truman. They are never going to be satisfied, and their opposition to everything at every turn should be expected. All parties in all systems have small factions that will never be satisfied. The important thing is that the size of this faction under Obama is smaller than it has been than under any President since JFK.

[Ikonoklast]

108. Yeah, that's the ticket, a Party Purge.

Gertting rid of the Blue Dogs worked SO WELL the last time, didn't it?

You got your wish, the Blue Dogs who reliably voted with the Democratic majority at least 80% of the time got replaced by the Tea Baggers WHO VOTE 0%, ALL THE TIME.

Funny how the self-described 'Left' has no problem calling for Party Purges for anyone voting to the right of them, but scream all bloody Hell when asked for voting solidarity themselves by party leadership.

It burns.

[Creideiki]

110. Funny how the self-described "liberals"

who are actually conservatives have no problem calling for Party Purges for anyone voting to the Left of them.

However, I did not actually make that call. I prophesied.

I'm anticipating 3 Supreme Court nominations in the next 4 years and anyone from the Clown Car would give us far worse than the milquetoast center-righties that we'll get from the milquetoast center-right Obama.

[Ikonoklast]

114. Give him a Senate majority.

You'll get a SC.

[Creideiki]

115. He has a Senate majority and my two useless Conservative Democratic Senators

won't back down from the wishes of a useless Conservative Democratic President.

[Ikonoklast]

116. Then primary them, get someone more Liberal into office.

Isn't that what I've been reading here about Obama?

Why isn't that valid anywhere else?


All change comes from the bottom up, yet all I see is people advocating for the exact opposite, then can't figure out when it doesn't work.

[Arkana]

95. If I had a nickel for every time I heard this and it turned out to be a pile

of steaming bullshit, I'd be rich enough to vote Republican.

[deaniac21]

96. His base is left.

[Ganja Ninja]

101. I just roll my eyes now when he comes on.

I have no faith in him what so ever.

Here's what it will take for me to vote for Obama. If it looks like the Democrats will retake Congress and gain seats in the Senate then I'll vote for him.

If it looks like the GOP will retake the Senate and hold on to their majority in Congress then I'll likely go out and vote Green or Socialist or Communist. The reason being that I don't want a Democratic president signing off on the Republican agenda and that's what Obama would do.

[eridani]

103. I don't think he has lost many of the left's votes

However, most will be putting more money and effort into local races.

[kentuck]

105. Why do you think Obama changed his strategy to a more left messge?

By directly attacking the Republicans, rather then compromising to their demands? You don't think he is concerned?

[HereSince1628]

107. Because he is in fund-raising mode.

I've received multiple requests from his campaign.

Requests to me have actually dropped down to $3.

He'd do better with blue buckets and bell ringers.

[L0oniX]

109. No shit! ...said from under the bus.

[Hoosier Daddy]

111. Blah blah blah, etc., etc.

:thumbsdown:

[opihimoimoi]

112. Them GOPers are in WORSE TWOUBLES....they got shit for ammo

Their field of 2012 Oval Runners are not even close...

pretty much looks hopeless....

Palin and Bachmann are now being conhsidered?? OMG

[kctim]

113. Beats being in serious trouble with the majority

Which would you choose?

Being in trouble with the minority where most will vote for you no matter what?
OR
Being in trouble with the majority where alot may give their votes to your opponent?