Moore: Obama should be mad at himself

[kpete]

Moore: Obama should be mad at himself
Posted on 09.27.11
By Andrew Jones

Before heading down to the Occupy Wall Street protests, Michael Moore appeared on Piers Morgan Tonight and said President Barack Obama shouldn’t complain about anyone else for the country’s current political environment.

“He should be mad at himself first,” the filmmaker said. “This is like a quarterback who pisses away the first three quarters and then it’s like the fourth quarter decides to show up and play football.”

“I don’t know the game plan that was in his head. The first two years, they had both houses. Why they allowed that opportunity to go by? Now all of a sudden, you’re going to charge forward. I say ‘Great,’ you’re going to find most people to go onboard with you. Geesh, you took such a long time.”

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[LynneSin]

1. I've seen football games like that

And in the end if the team or Obama can pull out a great 4th quarter - who am I to complain?

[dkf]

2. Yet he did it too late to save our economy. Half assed insurance reform wasn't what we needed.

[dennis4868]

5. Question: By how many votes did the Affordable Care Act pass by

in the senate? Do you think it would have passed with a public option? Hell no, DINOs, including Baucus told Obama that was dead on arrival. Dems in congress killed it early on and Obama gets the blame. This is the pattern for the first 3 years...Dems are weak and Obama takes the blame....and I would not call the ACA half assed! The facts don't show that at all.

[dkf]

15. It doesn't solve anything or we wouldn't be talking about Medicare cuts.

The health care system is still broken. The only thing that bill solved is preexisting conditions. Other than that, it doesn't make enough of a difference to justify the opportunity cost.

[mdmc]

21. And the true enemy of the American people are therefore named

THE dlc AND gop.

[Drew Richards]

25. ANSWER

The PPACA passed the Senate on December 24, 2009, by a vote of 60–39 with all Democrats and two Independents voting for, and all Republicans except one voting against. Republican Sen. Jim Bunning of Kentucky was the lone senator to miss voting on the bill.


The PPACA passed the House of Representatives on March 21, 2010, by a vote of 219–212, with 178 Republicans and 34 Democrats voting against the bill.

[Bandit]

30. I notice that those DINO Democrats still hold their Chairmanships...

There were strings that could have been pulled to get the votes but they were not....

[Erose999]

33. Indeed, you don't see RINO's getting appointments for any boards or committees.

[bvar22]

44. How many times did Obama target the "Blue Dogs",

...and publicly attack them, and tell them to Stop whining and complaining, and help him get the job done? :shrug:

Whats That?
ZERO TIMES, you say?


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[Enthusiast]

55. Hey.

Great point.

[SkyDaddy7]

60. I applaud you for trying!

There is no use...Since Obama got elected I have figured out we are not a strong party willing to stick together. Obama tries to close GITMO & who backed him up? Hardly anyone as they were too scared of bringing a few more suspected terrorist into the US to be locked up with the hundreds that are already here...But who do our fellow "Liberals" blame? President Obama!

Folks on the left like Moore claim Obama had a super majority...BULLSHIT! On paper yes for a couple of months but in political reality he never had a super majority...Not to mention the Repugs were going to filibuster everything anyway.

I could go on & on stating fact after fact that many of our fellow "Liberals" choose to ignore.

You don't see the other side turning on each other as fast as we do...Matter of fact they know all to well that you stick together & take what you can little by little. Until we learn how to play ball we will be sitting on the sidelines watching the Republicans take this country back to the 18th Century a little at a time!

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Problem is, at the end of the second quarter the opposing team was allowed

to put extra men on the field while Obama's team was cut from football to basketball team size.

Sun Tzu he is not.

[dennis4868]

3. Moore is wrong again...

Dems had the House of Reps the first 2 years and only had a fillubuster proof senate for a few months since Kennedy got very sick and died in the summer of 2009. I wish Moore would use facts but that went out the window a long time ago with him.

[dkf]

4. Yet they got Obama's dog of a healthcare bill passed.

That tells you they could have gotten difficult legislation through and it was the priorities that were messed up.

[dennis4868]

7. Ahhh so you seem to think the DINOs...

were really dems but acting and rejecting Obama just for fun? Gotcha!

And by the way, lots got passed while we had a congress that wanted change ---> www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

I know all of these achievements gets brused off as nothing but you guys are not in reality.

[dkf]

10. Jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs.

Nuff said.

[dennis4868]

11. okay....wth?

[dkf]

17. We spent all our political capital on health care when we should have been

Supporting entrepreneurship, start ups and small businesses who are the traditional job creators during recessions.

We didn't do crap for them. They needed direct loans and grants.

[dennis4868]

22. ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO THAT IS...

as reports are now coming out (i.e., facts) millions upon millions more people have health insurance thanks to the affordable care act. And by the way, the original stimulus was supposed to be much bigger but killed in the senate by the dems. I know I know, but Obama has to take the blame, he's a king and should be able to do whatever he wants to.

[dkf]

23. Is health insurance more important than a job? Really?

That is what the choice came down to. Also health insurance doesn't do much to move the economy which in the end determines everything.

When you see the bigger picture it should be apparent that the country is hurt more by the job situation. And the deeper the problem, the more it self perpetuates.

[chill_wind]

36. The ass-backwards priorities cost him a lot of Independent votes in 2010

who were were very driven and angry about the high rates of unemployment and what they felt were the wrong priorities. Spending another year after that since, on deficit reduction at the expense of a jobs agenda hasn't much improved their mood and a lot more of the country has joined them.

[dennis4868]

43. such bullshit....

he did the stimulus and then went onto health care like EVERYONE wanted him too....you all act like the affordable care act did nothing....I cannot debate people who have hate in their heart and facts in the garbage!

[dkf]

47. I am for single payer so to me it pretty much did nothing.

I don't believe a for profit insurance dependent model is sustainable. Why spend all that energy perpetuating a failing system?

[Marr]

26. Health insurance isn't what they need-- it's healthcare.

I remember when the wording suddenly changed, and we were all supposed to aiming at getting everyone health *insurance* instead of health CARE. Obama's legislation is nothing but an insurance industry bailout. Thanks to him, more people than ever will have insurance they can't afford to use, and continue with no health CARE. Hooray.

[sad sally]

51. How right you are - care vs insurance got lost along the way. n/t

[Enthusiast]

56. This is why I find

it so hard to support Obama. One of the reasons.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. At least 25 million still do NOT, not including those who have lost their

insurance with the disappearing jobs, and most of those millions who do are kids who remain on their parents' insurance - kids whose medical costs are the lowest of any demographic, which means a windfall for the insurance companies.

[Donnachaidh]

42. health insurance does NOT guarantee health CARE

All it does is fill the insurance company coffers faster.

Yeah, people have insurance, but with deductibles etc., they may not be able to afford to actually see a doctor on a regular basis.

All this cheerleading for a bill that only guarantees the INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS by people who *claim* to be democrats is obscene.

Period.

corporate whores abound! :sarcasm:

[bvar22]

45. "Millions upon Millions" ?

That is a bit of an exaggeration.

According to the stats,
*1 Million young Americans have been added to their parents policies per the reform.
While this is great, it is only a fraction of the Uninsured Youth,
and they are ALL from Upper Middle Class - Upper Class families that can afford the Buy In.

*Only 16% of those who have been denied Insurance because of a PEC (Pre-Existing Condition) have been able to afford
the Buy In price for the policies available due to the "reforms".
Guess what Economic Class THAT 16% are from.




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[Autumn]

54. dennis4868 if you don't have a job you can't pay for

health insurance.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. A good healthcare bill would have cost less political capital. n/t

[saras]

31. Yes, but small businesses are anticorporate. This health care plan funnels all the money to Wall St

[young but wise]

14. Did you forget about the Recovery Act?

Obama wanted a trillion and the senate cut it down.

[dkf]

18. Execution on spending it efficiently was horrible.

Even the states didn't spend it...they used it to pay down debt.

[Ship of Fools]

16. THANK you. I'm disillusioned with Moore myself.

[xchrom]

6. recommend

[dembotoz]

8. i agree with Moore--opportunity lost--too many lost

[closeupready]

9. Moore is right again...

K&R

[emulatorloo]

12. Moore is like an " armchair quarterback.". Piers Morgan is a tool

Why Moore would appear on that asshole's show mystifies me. I have a lot of respect for MM, zero respect for Morgan.

[RaleighNCDUer]

Seems obvious to me that Moore was reaching out to a demographic

that normally would never pay him any attention - just as I am in the demographic who would never pay Morgan any attention.

[polichick]

13. Moore's right - I find myself feeling sorry for the prez because he was given...

...such an unusual opportunity and just didn't run with the ball. I hope he gets another chance and goes for it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. And that is precisely why I do NOT feel sorry for him. nt

[polichick]

53. Even though he's too close to the corporate powers-that-be, I think he had good intentions...

He misjudged the situation - following his natural inclination to rise above partisanship, he failed to recognize the vicious enemies across the aisle and failed to see how his actions screwed over the ones who brought him to the dance.

'Course it's possible that he's just a corporate tool who had no intention of fighting for democratic principles and my empathy is misguided. :shrug:

[Enthusiast]

57. He continues to misjudge the situation.

I have little hope that this will change.

[Demeter]

19. We Reap What We Sow

and Obama has sown disrespect for the working class, the poor, the elderly, the Muslims, and the Rule of Law.

And now, even the wealthy Criminal Class are dissing him.

What goes around comes back to bite you.

[tridim]

20. "All of a sudden"?

What happened to you Michael?

I know you're not dumb and I know you know the real story in the 2008-2010 Senate. At the very least you should know your fans know what happened in the Senate.

I suggest paying attention next time.

[woo me with science]

24. He should, but he's not.

He is merely pivoting to Candidate Obama, right on schedule.

[Whisp]

27. I like Michael but he's wrong on this pissing away thing.

a bit loose with the facts it seems, - he's been accused of that in the past.

but that's okay, I don't have to agree with him all the time.

love you, Mike. just don't go over the 'Obama is evil' bend like some have done.

[OnyxCollie]

35. He's been accused of being loose with the facts by RWers.

What strange company you keep.

[Whisp]

39. I'm here, ain't I? strange indeed.

when Michael said to Piers last night, paraphrasing here to explain how it sounded to me when Michael said Obama had 2 years....


Obama had 2 whole years to fix the world and he was sitting on the bench picking his nose. Now that the game is almost over he's decided to jump in the game.

- that is pretty loose I'd say to what the reality is and how hard Obama has been working on so many things in his time in office.

So yeah, I'd calll Michael on that one and just because I can, calling me a RightWinger just makes you look pretty intolerant and not open to any ideas other than your own that are set in stone.

[Name removed]

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[mmonk]

28. Speaks to the frustration out there.

[dkf]

32. Yes. The fact is even the stuff that got passed is frustrating to see implemented.

[mmonk]

46. Yes, especially the tax cuts and budget cuts that are doing so much damage

to the economy and peoples' lives and of course, drill baby drill.

[Raine]

34. Moore is exactly on point. nt

:thumbsup:

[Vidar]

48. Moore is right, as usual.

[Safetykitten]

49. Yes, he is correct.

[RagAss]

50. One day we'll all agree.....Moore has never been wrong.

1. Offshoring of American jobs.
2. A fictional war.
3. The Health Care disgrace.
4. The NRA agenda.
5. The economic crimes against the people - the raping of the middle class.

Sometimes a prophet is just a prophet !

Ignore him at your own peril.

[dana_b]

52. exactly. and it seems that

some people (not anyone in particular in this thread) disparage him because of his views - just like he describes in his book - and then he turns out to be right.

[NNN0LHI]

58. Obama was 19 years old when this economic nightmare began for me Mr. Moore

And Moore was around during that time so he should know this. People with selective memories tend to really piss me off.

Don

[treestar]

59. Does he know how the system works?

What a tool. Makes me wonder if his criticism of Bush was legit even.