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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:14 PM
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Fukushima: Pipe leading to REACTOR 1 filled 100% with FLAMMABLE GAS -- may be 100% hydrogen!!
Edited on Mon Sep-26-11 12:17 PM by FourScore
Nelle's Fukushima Meltdown Update: Sept. 24-25, 2011
by Nelle Maxey
From 1% to 4% to 100% Hydrogen

SNIP

...Prior to cutting the pipe to install a device to control radioactive gases, TEPCO measured the concentration of hydrogen in the pipe and reported it at over 1% (10,000 parts per million).

Now it appears the company has brought in proper testing equipment and found 100% flammable gas in the pipe, likely mostly hydrogen. Now we await the report from TEPCO on the reading from the instrument which measures only hydrogen, not all flammable gases.

SKF reports as follows:
TEPCO: It May Be 100% Hydrogen Gas Inside the Pipe Connecting to Reactor I Containment Vessel

First it was reported that "over 10,000 ppm" or over 1% of hydrogen gas was detected at 2 locations in the pipe that connects to the Containment Vessel of Reactor 1 at Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant. Then it was allegedly "over 40,000 ppm" or 4%.

According to Jiji Tsushin, TEPCO thinks the hydrogen gas concentration in the pipe may be 100%. 1,000,000 ppm.

Still, TEPCO says possibility of explosion is not necessarily high because there is no source nearby that could cause sparks. (Never mind that they were going to use blow torches to cut the pipes...)

SNIP

...I suppose they were hoping that one of these devices would suffice. But now, even they have admitted that the air inside the pipe may be 100% hydrogen.

http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/9797-nelles-fukushima-meltdown-update-sept-24-25-2011.html
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YellowCosmicSun Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:17 PM
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1. so, something's still producing hydrogen???
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:17 PM
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2. 100% hydrogen is not an explosive mixture
:shrug:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:36 PM
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5. methinks there is adequate Oxygen around the pipe
to cause something even more catastrophic.

Think a tank of propane. 100% filled. Some is gaseous, some is liquid. No (or very little) Oxygen.
Knock the head off and see what happens.
Some gases can even self ignite from the friction of escaping a pressurized container. (see generally acetylene - those videos are pretty fucking cool.)
Hydrogen is an extremely efficient and powerful oxidizer. When it goes, be someplace else.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:48 PM
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6. I disagree on one nit
Hydrogen is a reducing agent, not an oxidizer.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 01:08 PM
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9. Sorry I was unclear. the AIR WE BREATHE is the
oxidizer
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 01:03 PM
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8. Yeah you do need a some Oxygen around...
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Ben Gay Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:21 PM
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3. Why is this a big concern?
:shrug:
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:35 PM
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4. Good coverage straight from Japanese press here
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LaValle Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 12:51 PM
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7. Then it's safe
If it is 100% Hydrogen, then there is no problem.

it can not explode. for Hydrogen to explode it must be a mixture of hydrogen and Oxygen. without the oxygen hydrogen can do nothing.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 02:20 PM
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10. I have the same problem after eating sauerkraut
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 03:45 PM
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11. So if the next EQ breaks a connection...
..the hydrogen hits oxygen and goes boom?
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 05:27 PM
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12. Yep! n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 05:33 PM
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13. The question then becomes, where is the hydrogen coming from
Is it coming from the apparently still critical core stripping off hydrogen from the water that is still being foolishly sprayed on it, or has the core finally, fully dropped out of containment and is now stripping off hydrogen from the groundwater it has encountered?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 05:44 PM
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14. Zirconium alloy is used for cladding nuclear fuel rods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconium_alloy

Zirconium alloy

Zirconium alloys are solid solutions of zirconium or other metals, a common subgroup having the trade mark Zircaloy. Zirconium has very low absorption cross-section of thermal neutrons, high hardness, ductility and corrosion resistance. Therefore, one of the main uses of zirconium alloys is in nuclear technology, as cladding of fuel rods in nuclear reactors, especially water reactors. A typical composition of nuclear-grade zirconium alloys is more than 95 weight percent<1> zirconium and less than 2% of tin, niobium, iron, chromium, nickel and other metals, which are added to improve mechanical properties and corrosion resistance.

The water cooling of reactor zirconium alloys elevates requirement for their resistance to oxidation-related nodular corrosion. Furthermore, oxidative reaction of zirconium with water releases hydrogen gas, which partly diffuses into the alloy and forms zirconium hydrides. The hydrides are less dense and are weaker mechanically than the alloy; their formation results in blistering and cracking of the cladding – a phenomenon known as hydrogen embrittlement.

Oxidation of zirconium by steam

One disadvantage of metallic zirconium is that in the case of a loss of coolant accidents (LOCA) in a nuclear reactor, the Zr cladding rapidly reacts with water steam at high temperature. Oxidation of zirconium by water is accompanied by release of hydrogen gas. This oxidation is accelerated at high temperatures, e.g. inside a reactor core if the fuel assemblies are no longer completely covered by liquid water and insufficiently cooled. Metallic zirconium is then oxidized by the protons of water to form hydrogen gas according to the following redox reaction:

Zr + 2 H2O → ZrO2 + 2 H2

This reaction was responsible for a small hydrogen explosion accident first observed inside the reactor building of Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in 1979, but, the containment building was not damaged then. This same reaction occurred in the boiling water reactors 1, 2 and 3 of the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant (Japan) and in the spent fuel pool of reactor 4 after reactors cooling was interrupted by related earthquake and tsunami events in the disaster of March 11, 2011 leading to the Fukushima I nuclear accidents. After venting of hydrogen gas into the maintenance halls of these three reactors, Zr oxidation-water reduction related explosive mixture of hydrogen with air oxygen detonated, and resulting explosions severely damaged external installation buildings and at least one of associated containment building. To avoid explosion, many pressurized water reactor (PWR) containment buildings, have a catalyst-based recombinator installed to rapidly convert hydrogen and oxygen into water at room temperature before explosivity limit is reached.

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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:47 PM
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15. Thanks for that explanation.n/t
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-26-11 08:58 PM
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16. Wow. You're good! Thanks for finding that. n/t
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