Young people worldwide having more unsafe sex

[seabeyond]

The "Clueless or Clued Up: Your Right to be informed about contraception" study prepared for World Contraception Day (WCD) reports that the number of young people having unsafe sex with a new partner increased by 111 percent in France, 39 percent in the USA and 19 percent in Britain in the last three years.

"No matter where you are in the world, barriers exist which prevent teenagers from receiving trustworthy information about sex and contraception, which is probably why myths and misconceptions remain so widespread even today," a member of the WCD task force, Denise Keller, said in a statement with the results of the study.

"When young people have access to contraceptive information and services, they can make choices that affect every aspect of their lives which is why it's so important that accurate and unbiased information is easily available for young people to obtain," Keller said.

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In Europe, only half of respondents receive sex education from school, compared to three quarters across Latin America, Asia Pacific and the USA.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44664040/ns/health-sexual_health/

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all the info out there, i have a tough time believing this. i am always weary of a pharmaceutical study, too.

[HopeHoops]

1. There are only two forms of safe sex - monogamy and sel-gratification.

Still, I've told the three girls since they were young - PUT A RUBBER ON IT!

[seabeyond]

2. true that. i say pill and rubber on it, lol, cause i am not gonna be the grandma raising

a grandchild.

[HopeHoops]

3. Accidents happen, but just wild bare back riding just 'cause you wanted to isn't an accident.

I got the big V 16 years ago after my third daughter was born - it's ALL bareback for me now baby! WOO HOOO!

[HappyMe]

4. I always, always told the boys

wear a rain coat!

[bullwinkle428]

5. "Abstinence-only" sex-ed comes home to roost.

[seabeyond]

6. my kids both had those programs and they discussed contraceptions, disease

and as HH says, no sex is the only sure way to prevent.

so even in the abstinence programs, they are still taught about contraceptions.

[EOTE]

10. Abstinence only education does not teach about contraceptive use.

Hence the "only" part.

[seabeyond]

12. yes.. it does. nt

[EOTE]

21. Then you don't know what "abstinence-only" is.

There's a reason that they don't call it "abstinence primarily". Abstinence only teaches only abstinence.

[seabeyond]

22. have you taken the course? do you have a child in that course that tells you

what is being taught to them?

otherwise, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

when you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, you might want to ask questions and i can explain to you how it is taught, what is taught.

or you can continue to act like you know what youa re talking about, yet still be wrong.

both my kids learned about condoms, the pill, other contraceptives adn disease. and yes, the learned about abstinence, too.

[EOTE]

25. Have I taken one? Hell no. Have I reviewed abstinence only course schedules? Yes.

I wouldn't abuse my child by allowing them to take such tripe. But the real question is are you capable of understanding the English language? Do you know what "only" means? That means that abstinence only education SOLELY teaches abstinence as a way of avoiding pregnancy and disease. Please don't blame me if you're incapable of understanding plain English. If your kids learned about condoms in class, they sure as fuck weren't in an abstinence only class. Really difficult to understand, huh? Oh yeah, of course it is.

[seabeyond]

27. ahhh... so now you are off the fact that they dont teach about condoms, the pill and other contras

but that they teach "abstinence as a way of avoiding pregnancy and disease."

that is a fact, you know.

the only way to totally aviod the possibility of preg or disease is to not have sex.

maybe you ought to do a refresher on english, cause you are failing.

and yes. kids were in an abstinence program and they did learn about condoms. again, you are wrong.

they were taught the only way to avoid disease and preg is not have sex. they were explained what condoms did. and what they did not.

[EOTE]

28. Abstinence ONLY? Did you miss that part?

Oh yeah, of course you did. That means they ONLY teach abstinence as a way of avoiding pregnancy and disease? Did you miss the ONLY again? Yeah, I'm sure you did. That means NO teaching of condoms and other forms of birth control? And you're the one who can't keep her damned language straight from one course to the next. Here, let me quote where you're once again getting confused: "and yes. kids were in an abstinence program and they did learn about condoms. again, you are wrong.and yes. kids were in an abstinence program and they did learn about condoms. again, you are wrong." Notice how you neglected to mention "ONLY" there? You see, your kids were most likely in an abstinence PLUS course, not abstinence ONLY. I need to mention that word again "ONLY" because silly, you seem to keep forgetting that. Once again, you haven't a freaking clue as to what "ABSTINENCE ONLY" is. Get yourself an education.

[seabeyond]

31. the only way to ensure no disease or preg is ABSTINENCE ONLY. which is a fact.

do you agree? do you get that? isnt that a truth?

of course it is. and being brilliant, you know this to be true. so why not embrace it.

then they go on to tell how condoms dont work 4 in 100 x's, ergo, to ensure no preg, no sex, not condems. and even with condems you can get disease. again, another fact. and the pill does not avoid disease and chance of preg with pill if the girl is taking it is 1 in a 1000 or whatever the fact is.

so though they are teaching abstinence, and teaching condom and other contraceptives, they are teaching it in accordance of telling kid to not have sex.

again, in your brilliance, i dont get why this is so tough for you to understand.

[Name removed]

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[EOTE]

46. Sure. But what the hell does that have to do with what is taught in "abstinence only" education.

I know you can get easily distracted.

[EOTE]

26. Here, perhaps you can educate yourself.

http://ari.ucsf.edu/science/reports/abstinence.pdf

But, I'm sure you're just continue to insist you're right. As opposed to those silly scientists and educators who just don't know what they're talking about.

[seabeyond]

29. btw... i am not an advocate of the abstinence program. it is a failure. i was correcting what was

said that ws wrong. that is all i was doing.

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[seabeyond]

33. you are saying then, you know for a fact they do not mention the word condom in any class? nt

[EOTE]

38. I am saying that I know for a fact, that abstinence only courses have NO mention of condoms

and other forms of birth control. Sure, a teacher in an abstinence only class might bring up the word "condom", but certainly not as part of the course. I can also tell you that I'm nearly 100% convinced that your kids did not have "abstinence only" sex-ed, but you're simply not aware of it.

[seabeyond]

39. worth the wait. absinence program. so you are wrong.

they have NO mention of condom...."teacher in an abstinence only class might bring up the word "condom""

contradiction. the person taht comes in and talks is with the program, so when they bring up the "word" it is part of the program. when they discuss its failure, they are being taught about it.

[EOTE]

40. You're wrong.

And there's nothing wrong with being wrong once in a while, but you bring it to an art. Did you read anything I posted for you? I provided a very nice PDF which explains exactly what abstinence only education is. What's really sad is that you're so incredibly daft that you don't even know the type of education your children receive. So incredibly sad.

[EOTE]

41. So you're telling me that biology courses teach god and religion?

Because my teacher certainly said "goddamn!" a few times in class. So obviously god and religion is part of the biology curriculum. You are utterly hilarious.

[valerief]

7. Yep, it's that Republican "die quickly" healthcare plan. nt

[Township75]

11. What was the abstinence-only sex ed program like in France?

?

[SpiralHawk]

8. "Just embrace Republicon Family Values, you wankers." - Bristol (R)

"...and whatever you do, don't get boozed up in a tent with a guy named Levi or nothin like that."

Bristol (R)

[seabeyond]

9. does that mean france is almost 3X's more republican value? nt

[SoCalDem]

13. I don't know what to make of the study, but I do know that many younger teens

(especially girls) have an overly-romanticized belief about sex/love...they sometimes feel that "being prepared" equates "wanting it/being slutty".

Movies/books seem to send the message that they should be "overcome with love/romance", and things just "happen". When it's spontaneous, it's more "romantic" and responsibility goes out the window. Of course that's also how disease "happens"..and babies too:(

The saddest thing is that very young girls often think that if they "give in", their boyfriend will love them and stay with them forever..

A male friend once told me that within a few minutes of seeing a girl, most guys are "planning", and many will say/do whatever it takes:(..most have NO plan for anything long-term....and too many girls are mentally planning a wedding & happily-ever-after.

[closeupready]

14. As a gay man, I honestly have no idea about this, but can you tell me, do girls want sex

as much as guys do? I asked a gay friend of mine about that years ago (who had sisters and had had girlfriends), and he looked at me like, he couldn't believe how naive or stupid I was being, that of course, they want sex as much as guys do.

So that's why I always feel a little unsure about claims that the girls are always thinking about home-making and monogamy, when in fact, sometimes (how often, I don't know?) girls also just want to have sex.

[SoCalDem]

15. They want romance & love

and sex goes along with it if they want to "keep" their boyfriend.

There's an old saying about how boys give love to get sex, and girls give sex to get love. There's some truth to that.

Most young girls probably do not "enjoy" the actual sex as much as they enjoy the boyfriend-girlfriend dynamic.

[seabeyond]

18. wow.... oh, noes

my 16 yr old is broken hearted and has been for two months. i cant figure how to get him beyond. i never was much into committment, love romance and have a tough time understanding it.

brother.... just like this girl you talk about

hubby.... more that way than i even come close to. i figure i am just too detached, or able to unattach.

but wow... the reinforcing of all the crap we fight today.

i am so sad. love you dearly, and respect you tons, and agree almost always

[snooper2]

43. "Most young girls probably do not "enjoy" the actual sex"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[seabeyond]

44. lol

but you gotta understand why i laugh. my computer is running slow. i hit your post, anticipating what you have to say to this and i get

only

this

:rofl:

:fistbump:

[Withywindle]

47. This former girl, now a woman

says that's bullshit. It might be true for some girls, but it certainly wasn't for me, nor a lot of other girls I knew. Some of us wanted love and relationships. Others DID just want sex. Most wanted both. Believe it or not, some of us were the ones initiating it and pressuring our boyfriends! (I had one who kept turning me down because he wanted to wait and I didn't. We eventually broke up over it. He was a good guy and I wish him well, but we weren't compatible on this issue.)

[seabeyond]

16. thank you close

i say yes. seems to me from my experience and what i hear/heard from girls. i think it is amazing that we pretend and condition that really, it is just the guy. that is why socal's post bothered me. i get what she is saying, but girls are conditioned to ignore their desires adn boys are conditioned to not only embrace but boast about theirs.

my teenage boys spending the time in the shower. me watching the water bill. i say something to huby and then smiled, told him, you know why they spend that time in the shower.

he says.... well ya, they are boys

well ya, girls do to.

he was stunned. thought about it, and quiet and thought some more

jsut goes beyond societal conditioning and allowance.

i have found myself saying this to husband in different circumstances and always, he is surprised, which surprises me

who are these guys getting it on with?

[closeupready]

19. Cheers - it's good to be honest and discuss this stuff openly, IMHO.

And I have to say, after my friend told me that, I was a little taken aback, because I have no sisters and had never had a real girlfriend.

:hi: :)

[seabeyond]

24. there seems to be an even greater push

that girls dont like sex and it is all that for boys. i really dont get it when we have reality staring us in the face showing the contradiction and lie.

i dont know if i just dont go along with conditioning, or i am way out there, the not normal, but the whole emotional shit is shit too.

i wanted no relationship for over a decade, so when i wanted sex it was one night stand or not. only optional. no emotional connection.

what i found when older and i did have a relationship with a man i cared about is the sex is better. but then he and other men have told me the same.

i just dont feel we are so far off that society and gender makes us. i have not found it in my experience or what i see in society today, or statistical facts adn numbers with studies.

men have affairs cause they gotta. women have almost same amount of affairs but cause???? bitches??? yet both are in the vast minority. i dont get how people argue what they do.

[SoCalDem]

32. who are they getting it on with?

16, 17 yr old guys (and older) who are hitting on freshmen & sophomore girls (13-14-15) who are desperate to be loved & trying to grow up too fast..and for many young girls, once they start the sex for love thing, they just do it over and over with many "boyfriends".., Society actually glamorizes teen-love, so there's always a steady supply of young ones..
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http://www.w1d.net/%20/sexual-behavior/older-men-contribute-to-teenage-pregnancy/
Part I: From "Men and Girls: A Time for Anger," by Linda Valdez, Masthead, Fall 1997. Copyright © 1997 by National Conference of Editorial Writers. Reprinted with permission. Part II: From "Teenage Girls Shouldn’t Be ‘Fair Game,’" by Ellen Goodman, San Francisco Chronicle, 1996. Copyright © 1996 by San Francisco Chronicle. Reprinted with permission.

In the following two-part viewpoint, Linda Valdez and Ellen Goodman argue that adult men take advantage of teenage girls and contribute to the problem of teenage pregnancy. In Part I, Linda Valdez, an editorial columnist, contends that some older men prey on vulnerable young girls who are looking for a male role model. In Part II, Ellen Goodman claims that recent legislative action revived statutory rape laws, which were largely ignored during the sexual revolution and women’s movement. Valdez and Goodman agree that enforcing statutory rape laws can protect young girls from exploitation by older men and reduce the incidence of teenage pregnancy. Goodman is a columnist for the Boston Globe.

snip

Grown men who molest very little girls are universally despised. So why doesn’t society cast its collective condemnation at grown men who seduce little teenage girls?

Why do we continue to blame a lack of teenage morals for rising rates of teen pregnancy, even though most of the teens who get pregnant are the victims of something we used to call statutory rape? According to the Arizona Department of Health Services, 66.3% of babies born to teenage girls in 1994 were fathered by men age 20 or older. The Washington Alliance Concerned With School Age Parents conducted a survey in Seattle of mothers ages 12 to 17 in 1995 and found the average age of the fathers was 24.

An article in the American Journal of Public Health in the spring of 1997 cited statistics for California’s teen mothers. In 1993, wrote authors Mike Males and Kenneth S.Y. Chew, two-thirds of school-age teen mothers had a post-school-age partner. A 15-year-old girl does not have the experience or emotional sophistication to match wits with a 20-year-old man. She might be conned into having sex, but she is incapable of giving consent.

Legal Protection

Society used to understand that. Laws against having sex with underage girls were enforced. Men understood that these children were off limits. Communities did not wink as 25-year-old men escorted 17-year-old girls to the prom.

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............................................

and

http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/teens/media_influence_on_youth.htm

[seabeyond]

34. this is a totally different discussion but there are actually same age kids

doing it, too.

you wont find me supporting an older man going after a kid

[SoCalDem]

36. I'm glad my "baby" graduated in 1997, but even then

I was appalled at the "interest" that so many of his peers had in the "new crop" of freshmen girls every year. Our son dated girls in his own grade, but many of his friends exclusively dated 2-3 grades below theirs.:( Of course a high school with 4000 kids in it is like a city all on its own.. The guys who did this over and over never stayed :with: any of those very young ones for more than a few weeks:( I always had great sympathy for my friends with teen girls:( A naive just-turned-14 girl is no match for a 17 yr old jock who's used to having his way with any girl he takes a liking to:(

[seabeyond]

42. the parent should be around. but an interesting.

in my sons circle, cross country and track team, he was telling me how an 18 yr old was dating freshman, 13 and 14. and all the guys were giving this kid a hard time about it. my son really likes this guy. he is messed up, but very nice. his father killed his mother when he was 4th grade, so a lot of shit there. son would tell him, really, you need to find girls your age, but he also knew it was a mental immaturity because of his raising and experience and not abotu sex and getting into bed.

anyway... he wasnt telling me from your point of view, but telling me about his friend and how he felt sorry for him

but i was heartened that so many of the boys didnt think it was kosher.

[JackDragna]

17. This is second-hand, but...

..female friends and ex-girlfriends of mine have told me women enjoy and desire sex as much as men, but they want a stronger emotional tie to it, most of the time. It's more important for them to feel safe and appreciated. Again, I don't claim this as a universal, but I've heard it from a number of different women.

[jtuck004]

20. Certainly. Then society schools everyone into lots of other behavior. /nt

[Withywindle]

48. This "girl" certainly did, and still does.

What you're hearing is a tired old stereotype based on social conditioning that might be true for some girls, but I'm finding it downright offensive that anyone seems to think that applies to all girls universally.

There are over 3 billion women/girls in the world, all of whom are individuals and have every bit as much personal variance between us as the three billion males do, and yes, an awful lot of us like sex, want sex, and seek it out, and many of us started doing so at a fairly young age.

[bemildred]

49. +1.

And it's not dirty and degrading either.

[bemildred]

23. This sounds like a job for Obviousman. nt

[formercia]

35. I used to like Unsafe Sex.

But I kept falling off the bed and hitting my head on the floor.

[maxrandb]

45. Damn, here I am in my 50's!

I actually remember Sr. Colleen making a lot of sense about this subject when I was in Catholic High School. She said; "that if girls wanted to be sure to truly prevent unwanted pregnancy and STD's, the best way was to hold a Bible firmly between their knees".

Of course, we then went on to having pretty decent Sexual Education class.

Yes, believe it or not, in a Catholic School in the 1970's, we actually had Sex Education...AND...were taught Evolution.

What the hell happened to America in the last 40 years?