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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 12:25 PM
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Basic tax data
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 12:58 PM by hfojvt
In Thursday's Daily Howler, Somerby was complaining that the public has no source for basic facts about taxes.

"Why are we required to “think” X, Y and Z about federal taxes? Why can’t we be allowed to know about such basic matters? Why isn’t there a digest of user-friendly information where voters can learn basic facts?"

So here's my attempt to answer that call, although I am not sure how "user friendly" this is.

First, about basic tax rates, here is the link to ITEP's report on State taxes.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/159

Then for Federal taxes, I have computed them for various classes over time (unfortunately not going back before 1986)

average tax rates by group

year       top .1%      top 1%     next 4%    next 5%     next 15%     next 25%     bottom 50%
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
1986 n/d 33.13 19.10 15.99 12.83 10.62 5.63
1990 n/d 23.25 17.60 13.63 12.01 9.73 5.01
1995 n/d 28.73 18.19 14.46 11.71 9.43 4.39
2000 28.20 27.45 20.07 15.48 12.04 9.28 4.60
2005 22.52 23.13 17.36 12.37 9.27 6.93 2.98
2007 21.46 22.45 17.52 12.66 9.43 7.01 2.99
2008 22.70 23.27 17.21 12.44 9.29 6.75 2.59


Data calculated from tables 5 and 6 here http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521,00.html
(Note to those who might check my work, the IRS tables have the average tax rate for the top 5%, whereas I calculated it for the next 4% - that is, I removed the top 1% from the top 5%, then removed the top 5% from the top 10%, and so on. I did not remove the top .1% from the top 1%, although I may do so later as that might be interesting.

No data on the top .1% until 2001 (which I used for 2000). The income boundaries are as follows

year       top .1%      top 1%     next 4%    next 5%     next 15%     next 25%     bottom 50%
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
1986 n/d 111,818 62,377 48,656 32,242 17,302 less
1990 n/d 167,421 79,064 60,287 38,080 19,767 less
1995 n/d 209,406 96,221 72,094 44,207 22,344 less
2000 1,324,487 313,469 128,336 92,144 55,225 27,682 less
2005 1,848,791 364,657 145,283 103,912 62,068 30,881 less
2007 2,155,365 410,096 160,041 113,018 66,532 32,879 less
2008 1,803,585 380,354 159,619 113,799 67,280 33,048 less





Another key piece of data is how the share of income of the top 1% has grown over the last 20 years while the income of the bottom 50% has shrunk. That is in graph form here http://www.koch2congress.com/5.html

Through the years I have written a fair amount about various tax issues which I will link to here, the idea being to create a "one stop shop" for tax information (not that I have answered every possible question but I try when they become relevant issues).


Who gets the payroll tax cut?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/160


Who gets most of the benefits from itemized deductions?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/151


Comparison of rates before and after Bush
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/103


Who gets most of the dividend tax cuts?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/81


About IRA deductions
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/102


Fundamentals of the UnFairTax (as the FairTax should properly be called)
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/55


Why the Flat Tax is a bad idea
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/69


Debunking the Laffer Curve
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/53


About the Fab 400
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/123


The rich get richer
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/126


Tax cuts for the top .1% vs. tax cuts for the bottom 50%
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/156


How the Wall Street Journal lies about taxes
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/67


The AP repeats Republican talking points (and errors) on taxes
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/77


Republican Governor opposes tax increases on the rich
and cuts jobs, shorts the pension fund, cuts education
and increases taxes on seniors and the poor
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/128


Democratic Governor gives $1 billion in tax cuts to the rich
and cuts education spending
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/154


Of course, one place I always turn to for tax research is Citizens for Tax Justice
http://www.ctj.org/


And, although I think they produced sloppy research supporting the payroll tax cuts,
I usually appreciate the analysis of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
http://www.cbpp.org/policyBasics/

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 12:31 PM
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1. Why isn't there a database that we can use to tear apart the numbers ourselves?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 12:35 PM
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2. I linked to that
Data calculated from tables 5 and 6 here http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=133521,00.html

Although the copy of the copy of the link may not be working right. I will check.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 12:43 PM
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3. Try using the [pre][/pre] tags for formatting.
It will allow you to use multiple spaces in a row and should also use a fixed width font. That should make things easier to read. For example:

year top .1% top 1% next 4% next 5% next 15% next 25% bottom 50%
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

1986 n/d 33.13 19.10 15.99 12.83 10.62 5.63
1990 n/d 23.25 17.60 13.63 12.01 9.73 5.01
1995 n/d 28.73 18.19 14.46 11.71 9.43 4.39
2000 28.20 27.45 20.07 15.48 12.04 9.28 4.60
2005 22.52 23.13 17.36 12.37 9.27 6.93 2.98
2007 21.46 22.45 17.52 12.66 9.43 7.01 2.99
2008 22.70 23.27 17.21 12.44 9.29 6.75 2.59
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 12:59 PM
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4. that is better
but I am feeling some carpal tunnel from all of the back spacing and forward spacing done in a hurry. Ow.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 02:38 PM
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5. so far, it seems the public is not that interested
this may explain why the media does not bother to dig up any pesky old facts.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 04:52 PM
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6. despite a lack of popular demand - rate of .1% compared to the other .09%
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 04:53 PM by hfojvt
average tax rate

year  top .1%   next .09%
________________________
2001 28.2 26.89
2005 22.52 23.74
2007 21.46 23.54
2008 22.70 23.83
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 06:48 PM
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7. one more piece of data, just because I felt like calculating it
average income by income group in 2011 constant dollars


 
year top .1% top 1% next 4% next 5% next 15% next 25% bottom 50%
______________________________________________________________________________
1986 X 577,450 163,630 112,590 81,480 49,680 17,030
______________________________________________________________________________
1990 X 742.490 180,570 118,210 82,570 48,450 15,940
1995 X 785,380 191,120 122,140 83,260 47,540 15,640
2000 5,188,970 1,371,520 238,700 141,170 92,910 52,370 17,120
2005 6,992,660 1,392,320 238,850 140,500 92,280 51,620 16,850
2007 8,127,320 1,555,400 249,060 144,570 93,840 51,890 16,700
______________________________________________________________________________
2008 6,310,250 1,267,110 233,280 139,800 91,300 50,340 16,160


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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-11 01:15 PM
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8. hey, I got back up to two
somebody cancelled the unrec.

This is just an experiment.
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