New evidence links Saudi royal family to Saudis in FL-who reportedly had contact with 9/11 hijackers

[kpete]

New evidence links the Saudi royal family to Saudis in South Florida, who reportedly had contact with the 9/11 hijackers before fleeing the US prior to the attacks.

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In early September of this year, Summers and Christensen reported that a secret FBI probe, never shared with Congressional investigators or the presidential 9/11 commission, had uncovered information indicating the possibility of support for the hijackers from previously unknown confederates in the United States during 2001.
http://www.browardbulldog.org/2011/09/fbi-found-direct-ties-between-911-hijackers-and-saudis-living-in-florida-congress-kept-in-dark/

Now WhoWhatWhy reveals that those alleged confederates were closely tied to influential members of the Saudi ruling elite.

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WhoWhatWhy has found documents laying out the Ghazzawis’ royal connections through a nest of Saudi corporations that share the name EIRAD. Esam Ghazzawi is director of EIRAD Management Company, the UK division of EIRAD Trading and Contracting Co. Ltd., which among other things holds the Saudi franchise for many multinational brands, including UPS. Esam’s brother Mamdouh, whose name shows up on public records associated with family properties in the U.S., is the Executive Managing Director of the parent firm, EIRAD Holding Co. Ltd. EIRAD has connections to the US government via contracts. In 2008, records show, the State Department paid EIRAD $11,733 for rental of facilities, presumably in Saudi Arabia.

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But the now-revealed link between the Ghazzawis and the highest ranks of the Saudi establishment reopens questions about the White House’s controversial approval for multiple charter flights allowing Saudi nationals to depart the U.S., beginning about 48 hours after the attacks, without the passengers being interviewed by law enforcement—despite the identification of the majority of the hijackers as Saudis.

MORE (tons plus links):
http://www.alternet.org/story/152505/is_the_saudi_royal_family_connected_to_9_11_hijackers_/

[ixion]

1. ah, but we're never to question the official narrative these days, unfortunately, so

IBTD. :banghead:

[gateley]

5. The administration (any administration) won't do anything to alienate

the Saudis, and they know full well they're not our "friends".

[vets74]

45. It's one bunch of wack-jobs. The crew who introduced paganism to the Hadj.

The basic scheme is convincing the core followers that Paradise is real, that Martyrs return to visit earth during the circle-the-Ka'aba ceremony, that these Martyrs actually speak to people.

It's the same type of scam that Harry Houdini laid into -- the phony mediums who tricked people into thinking that they were communicating with the dead. (Re-watch Whoopi Goldberg in "Ghost" for a cute take on it.)

They've screwed up the Hadj with this fakery. The scheme got rolling 50 years ago, when elements of Hindu Moon worship entered the ceremonies. Faking ethereal voices is pretty easy stuff.

This perversion of religion recall fundie faith-healing and playing with rattlesnakes.

On the other hand, modernization is far more common among educated Saudis. Thousands of the Saudi kids come to England or the U.S. for college.

"They" is way too broad a brush to apply.

No denying it, though, elements of KSA's "royal family" mix their own personal narcissism with wack-job religion. Helping the 9/11 attackers would have been SOP. These folks have been financing suicide bombers against Israel for decades. What's the difference ?

[rucognizant]

17. We should have voted for ............

Graham, Kerry, Dean or Kucinich. Then an investigation would have gone forward instead of 4 more years of extreme cover up!
Graham saw W's face in that school room eyeball to eyeball. If we could tell from TV, ( camera angles being selected NOT BY US), he must have picked up more intuitive info from interacting with W that day!!

[defendandprotect]

27. They're not going to permit anyone who would do these investigations ....

to get into the White House --

Too many cover ups and crimes involved!!

[Enthusiast]

39. You are right.

No way.

[russspeakeasy]

55. yup.

[tblue]

68. I saw Richard Clarke answer that question

and he's about as trustworthy as anyone. He said it was he who arranged for those bin Ladens to depart, that they were related by blood but were not close to OBL. So I no longer worry too much about that aspect of 9/11.

What bothers me is that there is this incontestable link of Saudi rulers to the hijackers as well as to the Bush family, and the designs of the energy and defense contracting industries. Plus all the secrecy and limitations surrounding the 9/11 Commission's investigation, whatever reasons Bush and Cheney had to appear jointly before the commission, and Cheney's energy task force.

[librechik]

75. +10000 n/t

[leftstreet]

2. K&R

[patrice]

3. K&R

[Name removed]

4. Deleted message

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[leftyohiolib]

7. the FBI says there's no connection. they have their 3 best men on the job

larry, curly AND moe

[robertpaulsen]

21. Apparently, Larry, Curly and Moe have more credence in GD than Dan Hopsicker.

Thanks mods! :sarcasm:

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. Shame on our law enforcement for allowing that trail to cool.

[formercia]

9. Perhaps it was a joint op that went sideways

...not the first time it's happened.

[katty]

8. not surprised

[glowing]

10. At some point, it just may be impossible for a real investigation into the 9/11

events actually occurs. The "official" account is more than hard to swallow.

[vets74]

48. It was impossible on 9/12. The Bushes, the Carlyle Group, "Bandar Bush," holding hands...

and cheek kissing. The Saudis moved upwards of $100-million to entities owned-or-controlled by the Bush family.

"Love of money is the root of all evil."

D'oh.

[yardwork]

51. Much more than $100 million. Think of the oil profits. The oil fields in Iraq.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Hmmm.

[truth2power]

12. Gee! I guess we'll have to invade Saudi Arabia. Oh wait....

We only invade helpless countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

I don't expect to live to see it, but some day, the extent of the BFEE's participation in 9/11 will be known.

A new Pearl Harbor, indeed!

[indepat]

16. My two prayers are to live to see the days that: the full story of 9-11 is known and made public and

Elizabeth Warren is POTUS. :patriot:

[defendandprotect]

28. Love Elizabeth Warren POTUS -- !!

[Octafish]

13. One would imagine holding the Saudi nationals and members of the bin Laden family for questioning.

That's how the FBI does it when investigating war protesters or civil rights activists.

Why would pretzeldent Bush let them all fly away? Gawsh!

[DeSwiss]

14. Now all we have to do is......

...bring some more of that "democracy" to Saudi Arabia.


- Then we'll be set.......

K&R

[Uncle Joe]

15. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[robertpaulsen]

18. Great supplement to leveymg's research!

I haven't read Russ Baker's book (though many here on DU have praised Family of Secrets) but I have to give props to leveymg for being the first to report the links between the dark actors in this story and BCCI:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg

[hootinholler]

20. Absolutely! n/t

[leveymg]

24. Russ did a superb job fleshing this out and making this newsworthy . Thanks, guys.

Baker is one of the last real investigative journalists who isn't compromised by his sources and editors. If this story reaches escape velocity, it's because of his hard work and smarts.

:thumbsup:

[AntiFascist]

26. Don't forget James R. Bath n/t

[SpiralHawk]

57. The Bath-Bush-bin Laden link. Courtesy of Octafish

"Know your BFEE: James R Bath - Bush - bin Laden Link by Octafish

"Back when George W was defendin' Texas from the Air Force of North Vietnam, he met a man by the name of James R Bath. They both were drummed off the flight line for failing to take physical exams -- coincidently, I'm sure, right about the same time the government starting testing pilots for illegal drugs 'n' such. Here's the document:

"Now this document shows that the House of bin Laden selected James R Bath to be their official U.S. business agent. Isn't it something? Why doesn't anyone in the press corpse ask Bush about this?

"Bottom Line: The BFEE goes where the money is -- War. Drugs. Oil. Social Security.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293

[AntiFascist]

69. From one of the comments on that thread....

"By 1976, when Gerald Ford appointed the elder George Bush as CIA director, Bath was acting as a business agent for Salem bin Laden’s interests in Texas. (Texas and Saudi Arabia were well-connected by this point through U.S. oil companies and related industries with operations in both locations.) In 1991 Time magazine and later other publications reported on allegations by Bath’s former business partner that the Bush CIA hired Bath in 1976 to create offshore companies to move CIA funds and aircraft between Texas and Saudi Arabia."

[SpiralHawk]

74. Wow - stunning. Woe unto America with these creeps infesting us

Republicon Family Cesspool Values...up the steenkin wazoo...

[Lugnut]

33. I'm finally reading it now.

It's riveting and gasp-inducing. And, in retrospect, it all makes sense.

[defendandprotect]

35. Thanks for the info -- will look at it shortly -- !!

[KoKo]

52. +!

[AlbertCat]

19. Also...

Water is wet
and bacon is delicious! (and the Saudis can't have either!)

[nilram]

22. k+r

[xiamiam]

23. this should just be pinned to the greatest page until everyone reads it

such a joke
10 years, 2 wars, millions wounded or killed..a broken and ashamed populace..what a crock of shit we've been handed..

[lordsummerisle]

25. k&r n/t

[Citizen Worker]

29. Yet another reason that we must look forward and not backward.

[Bonobo]

30. Ahem, this was a "conspiracy theory". Where are all the arrogant debunkers? nt

[OnyxCollie]

36. Dude...

[Bonobo]

37. LOL. I know what you mean. nt

[Initech]

31. But.. but... Iraq has WMDs!!!

:sarcasm: :banghead:

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. And yellow cake...

[FailureToCommunicate]

32. k&r

[Politicalboi]

38. Everyone look over here

Saudi's can put a stand down order too I suppose. Just like 19 "terrorist" can take over the US in 2 hours. It's all bullshit.

[Enthusiast]

40. I think.....

The Saudis and the Bush Administration conspired to bring us 9/11. I apologize if that hurts any feelings. But I am thoroughly convinced.

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. MIHOP and then LIHOP. nt

[SpiralHawk]

41. "Oh noes, not my beloved oil crony-buddies. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R)

[ThomThom]

43. that is just the guy that could pull it off

arm and arm

[rasputinkhlyst]

42. Even if one rarely gives conspiracies theories a second glance....

One must admit that soon afterwards the price of oil rose like a male 19 year old's "interest" and almost the entire Bush administration and the Saudis both would be orgasmic at those profits!

[Botany]

44. No worries .... Prince Sultan says nothing happened

In a 2004 letter to the New York Times, Prince Sultan responded to allegations surrounding those flights, and pointed to a conclusion
in the 9/11 commission report: ”Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links
to terrorism departed on these flights.”

[JohnyCanuck]

47. That would be the report...

from the 9/11 Commission which Bush and Cheney resisted convening in the first place and then shortchanged in time and money such that one of the two co-chairs, Thomas Kean, said: "We think that the Commission was in many ways set up to fail...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzrv-e37Es8&feature=player_embedded

More details in the Video Press for Truth which describes the intense struggle by the "Jersey Girls" and the other family members of 9/11 victims and the hoops they had to jump through to finally get the President to convene the 9/11 Commission in the first place. Also shows their disappointment and disgust when the 9/11 Commission failed to examine or adequately address 70% of the questions raised by the 9/11 Commission's steering committee composed of 9/11 victims' family members.

[duhneece]

46. Could've been an investigation, arrests, a trial instead of

bombs and bullets.

But how could Cheney's Haliburton make a profit from that?

[Crowman1979]

49. We could build a renewable energy infrastructure and stop buying their oil.

But no, that would be too logical to the bought out congress.

[Hotler]

50. k&r n/t

[newspeak]

53. didn't little boots close that US base in SA?

one of the things OBL was against? didn't SA hate Saddam? hasn't halliburton and KBR made a hefty profit on the wars (with a side of iraqi oil now being controlled by the global oil industry)?

I remember when Bill Moyers was on and he had a terrorist expert-I remember the expert saying some of those civilian killings in Iraq were from saudis crossing the border into iraq to further perpetrate the chaos.

What I see is it goes right with the PNAC plans; except I don't think the players give a shite about democracy-they do care about controlling resources and money.

I think the bin ladens, house of saud and * family, business wise, are in bed together. Wasn't it selim bin laden who funded little boot's first business enterprise?

I also think that it is business and money over country for some of these cretins.

[Pharaoh]

54. Ssshhhhhhhhhh!

not supposed to talk about this stuff here :hide:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sulphurdunn]

56. The American

shadow government and the Saudi Royal Family couldn't possibly have been involved with 911. We all know it was Saddam Hussein. :think:

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

59. Who else thinks we attacked the wrong country after 9/11? Weren't all but 3 hijackers Saudi?

Saudi Arabia had far more to do with the attack than Afghanistan did, and we kiss their asses every day because those sub-70 IQ morons have all of the oil. We have to get off the oil addiction and I think we should pull our troops out of Saudi Arabia and let those terrorist scumbags get taken over by some other country. If it happens, we should refuse to help and laugh about it. They deserve it.

[lonestarnot]

60. MIHOP.

K & R

[drm604]

61. I found a possible connection between Esam Ghazzawi and Prince Fahd Bin Salman a couple of weeks ago

My post was completely ignored. It involved BCCI. Granted, the source was questionable, but it seemed way too coincidental. It was posted on or before 1998 and now suddenly there was a connection between some of the hijackers and this guy Ghazzawi who had been somehow involved with BCCI and the royal family. Way too coincidental to ignore.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1898189&mesg_id=1903747

[newspeak]

67. and the iran-contra BCCI rears it's ugly head

when you don't take care of the problem in the first place. I believe it was journalist Ng, after Casalero is suicided who continues the investigation of BCCI. Then he is killed. We got a bunch of very corrupt, dangerous people running around doing bad things that has nothing to do with the security of our country, but makes us more insecure.

Who could believe that drugs would be put on our street by some of these same governmental players? I believe we are reaping the actions of not thoroughly investigating and indicting all of those who were players in the iran-contra BCCI affair.

[bobthedrummer]

62. A LIHOP k&r n/t

[RoccoR5955]

63. The truth wants to be set free! n/t

[walerosco]

64. Ah

The only kind of 911 conspiracy allowed on this site. Because we all know what will happen to this thread if the other country in the middle east that is usually associated the with 911 conspiracy were mentioned.

I try to imagine why on this green earth Saudi arabian govt would want to attack the USA. And if it was really true I cant imagine the administration passing over a chance to invade Saudi Arabia and loot all their black gold.

This is BS upon BS upon BS

[AntiFascist]

71. Mainly because the House of Saud was itself threatened by overthrow...

Al Qaeda was a way of funneling all of these threats into a singular target, which redirected its focus on the US. This also gave the MIC a new enemy after the fall of the Soviet Union.

[Diclotican]

65. kpete

kpete

This is also something I have had suspection on, for the least decade or so. Maybe not here on DU, but on different norwigian sites I have been pretty clear about it all..

And now it is more proven than before, that the Saudi-Arabian Royal Familiy, might have conections to the terrorist of sept 11 2001..

And I don't have nay Intel to show me hwy and how I got to this idea. I just use common sense, and the knowlegde that parts of the Saudi-Arabian Royal Familiy allways have been more than just comfortable with the islamic extremist in the country, or abroad in different parts of the world. In fact the SA government have over the last 60 or så years, spread an extremely strict islamic faith, all over the world.. And it have made influence even in parts of the world, where Islam and other religions allways have been best friends, and where even inter-marrige between muslims and cristians are know to have happend, and where your faith have been shown as a private afairs in all.

Diclotican

[Rex]

66. They let OBL get away at Tora Bora, why did they let the most

evil slip away on purpose? Guess we will never know.

[Raksha]

70. K & R, and bookmarked.

[wildbilln864]

72. k&r! eom...

[libodem]

73. Told ya so

I knew it. Cool this hasn't landed in the secret dungeon.

[DearHeart]

76. Seems as if NO ONE wants to deal with the Saudi question!!

"Attorney Stephen Cozen of law firm Cozen O'Connor, which represents Lloyd's, told Insurance Journal that he cannot comment on why Lloyd�s decided to drop the case less than two weeks after filing the complaint.

Mr Cozen told the journal: 'We were instructed to voluntarily dismiss without prejudice. That of course means that the suit is free to be refiled and certainly similar suits may be filed by others.'


Lloyd's is voluntarily dismissing its lawsuit 'without prejudice,' meaning the motion seeks to close the case without precluding the possibility of renewal at a later date, the court clerk's office said.

The lawsuit - filed in Johnston, Pennsylvania, where United Airlines flight 93 crashed on 9/11, named nine defendants, including a leading member of the oil-rich state's royal family."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039879/Lloyds-withdraws-Sauid-lawsuit-Insurance-giant-withdraws-action-claimed-country-funded-9-11.html#ixzz1YtEEcZpD

[Sancho]

77. It still seems an impossible coincidence to me...

From the link:

"In 1995, Ghazzawi’s daughter Anoud, living in South Florida, married Abdulazzi al-Hiijii, who was a university student in the area. Esam and Deborah Ghazzawi, apparently reunited sometime after their 1971 divorce, purchased the Sarasota home into which the couple moved. Abdulazzi appears to have received a B.S. and Masters of Information Systems from the University of South Florida. His Master’s should be noted in the context of only one of two items removed from the Sarasota house before the couple fled—a computer."

Ghazzawi's were students in the same university and major area as Sami Al-arian; the professor from Kuwait/Egypt who was a Bush supporter and who met Bush/Cheney before being arrested a a supporter of Hamas: http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/BushAideMet.htm

"In June 2001--three months before the September 11 attacks, Al-Arian was briefed by Senior Presidential Advisor Karl Rove on Bush's faith-based agenda and other issues in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to the White House. "

and later two USF students were arrested in the weird bomb plot in SC: http://www.investigativeproject.org/426/indicted-usf-student-has-terror-past-in

"Two Egyptian students enrolled at the University of South Florida have been indicted for carrying explosive materials across states lines. One of the defendants also is charged with teaching the other how to use them for violent reasons. Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, 24, an engineering graduate student and teaching assistant at the Tampa-based university, faces terrorism charges for teaching and demonstrating how to use the explosives." and "Mohamed had rented a room in a house in Temple Terrace, a suburb of Tampa, which was used as the office for the World and Islam Studies Enterprise (WISE), a think-tank founded by former USF Professor Sami Al-Arian. WISE rented the same home on Pampas Place during the early 1990s."

Al-arian had ties to the first trade center bombers and was at USF while the Ghazzawi's got their degrees in the same department: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Al-Arian:

"On January 27, 1986, he was hired as an assistant professor in the Computer Sciences Department of the College of Engineering at the University of South Florida (USF) in Tampa.<5><24> He also established the Islamic Committee for Palestine (ICP) on October 20, 1988,<17><24> purportedly to raise awareness of the plight of the Palestinians; allegedly, however, it was part of a criminal enterprise with PIJ.<1><9><17><20> ICP meetings were attended by Omar Abdel-Rahman, convicted of plotting to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993, and Abdul Aziz Odeh, the Islamic Jihad's spiritual leader.<7>"

Even though none of these investigations have linked the Ghazzawi's to Al-arian, it seems they were studying the same major areas at the same time as Al-arian was teaching at USF.



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