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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 04:22 PM
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Navy extends sea duty for 60,000 sailors
Navy extends sea duty for 60,000 sailors

TOKYO — The Navy announced this week that more than 60,000 sailors will be required to spend more time on sea duty.

“Since 2008, the number of sea duty billets has increased, while the number of shore duty billets has decreased,” Capt. Michael White, Navy Personnel Command assistant commander for Career Management, said in a news release.

The change affects 36 ratings, with the sea time being increased from anywhere between six months and two years. Those scheduled to rotate to a new duty station before March 2012 will not have their projected rotation date adjusted, according to the release.

Additionally, there are now 18 job ratings categorized as “sea intensive,” meaning sailors in those jobs can expect to spend more than one-half of their career on sea duty, the Navy said.

http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/navy-extends-sea-duty-for-60-000-sailors-1.155829
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 04:28 PM
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1. The Navy has been a victim of end-strength limitations for many years.
DOD has robbed Peter (USN and USAF) to pay Paul (USA and USMC) for a number of years now. It's not surprising that, down to bare bones, they're focusing on mission first and foremost, to the detriment of non-operational pursuits.

Also, it's cheaper to hire ex-servicemembers/retirees to do a lot of that shore duty crap. May not seem so at the outset, but it does reduce personnel costs overall.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 05:56 PM
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5. That's not the half of it
I'm glad I'm eligible for retirement. I actually love Sea Duty, but that is another story.

It's not just our "end state"...it's also that a lot of those old shore duty jobs and maintenance jobs have gone to contractors. I don't know if you've served, but you have to understand that causes long-term problems. We see it everyday.

Here's an example: Say you have a Boatswain's Mate on sea duty. 10-15 years ago, that BM3 would go to a Shore Intermediate Maintenance Activity (SIMA), or to a base to run Tugs or other port support boats, or to a shipyard. At all of those shore commands, he would continue to work on deck equipment and hone his skills. If he was good, he would make Second Class and return to a ship with his skills more developed.

Now, all of the SIMAs have been absorbed by Regional Maintenance Centers, and a lot of the routine maintenance in "contracted" out to private contractors. That BM3 I was talking about?...well, his shore duty now may be as security force for a base, or he may run a barracks, or go to a 1ST LT division somewhere. Bottom line, he's not working on deck equipment. If he make BM2 and gets sent back to a ship, we expect him to be proficient on the ship's deck equipment.

DUer's that are "Old Salts" (especially the Snipes) will be appalled by this next story. Our inspection team was doing a material inspection on one of the ships. They asked a Machinist Mate about a Lube Oil Pump and asked; "when's the last time you packed the bearings in this pump"? The answer was; "we don't do that anymore, we send it off the ship to a contractor".

:scared:

And then we wonder why our ships are broke!

I swear, we are going to end up like the Brazillion Navy, where you get assigned to a ship and that's your duty station forever.
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 06:01 PM
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7. My answer:
We use sealed bearings-no lubrication required.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 06:06 PM
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8. I thought the sealed bearings
were only on Fire Pumps. I stand corrected Shipmate.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 10:47 PM
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9. Precisely----and many of those contractors are Ex-USN and retirees.
Not all, but many. I know a lot of 'em. Happy double dippers.

This isn't new, not at all (though it has expanded out of necessity)--it started off, slowly, mind you, during what I called the "Cheney drawdown" that was developed at DOD under the directives of SECDEF Cheney, and implemented in the 90s during the Clinton administration. Then, the problem was trying to maintain mission capability and a viable amount of "tooth" while the drawdown was chopping away at end strength; and the way to do it was with contracted resources, mainly personnel and QOL, along with automation (sometimes successful, sometimes not), elimination of redundancies--and there were lots of those, and of course, vertical cuts to directorates (look at what happened to BUPERS, for example). This was happening across the board in all branches--it was a purple issue, not just USN. DFAS, for example, was a complete contractor operation for years; it's only recently come back into the fold as a DOD asset.

It's unfortunate that they're contracting out so much of the maintenance as well as the paper pushing, but it IS a function of mission assets shortages, and nothing more. If the Army shrinks back down to normal size, USN, even in a contraction, will get back a few assets, and maybe the tide will shift.

The homeport initiative has been in place now for what--fifteen years, at least, maybe a bit more. I'm not current with the culture these days, but it was starting to take off as a viable methodology for some quite some time ago, and selection boards were directed to specifically disregard repeat tours in the same geo area--which used to be a bit of a smudge, if not a black mark, when up for promotion--supposedly, it suggested a cautious or timid nature. The reason they went to it was ostensibly as a QOL bennie for families who didn't want to be disrupted; in reality, USN saved twenty to twenty five grand per PCS when they kept families in the same geographic location. It also made transitions from Job A to Job B much quicker--someone stationed at NAVAL STATION, for example, headed for a ship, could start doing turnover while still in the old job.

Personally,I'd never want to stay in the same area, though I can see why people with kids in school/spouse with good job might--to my mind, who wants twenty years in/around, say, Norfolk, deploying to the same damn places over and over again during sea tours? Part of the fun from my perspective is being able to play in both the east and west coast navies.

Other navies do that "stuck on one ship" routine, too. I'd hate it. I don't think we'll ever go that route, but I'm not in a position to know much if anything about it, these days. I do know it was discussed, and discarded, for, among other reasons, the "No Damn Fun" aspect along with the "career growth stifling" element as well.

As I said, though--I am totally out of the loop. I actually used to know Mike Mullen when he was "just a guy" -- a guy with potential, moving on up, but still just a guy who had a long walk from his parking spot to his desk. Now he's on the mountaintop, doesn't drive himself except on weekends, and is not far from retirement! Time marches on...
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 04:40 PM
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2. During the time period on which I served on active duty
my rating had a sea/shore rotation of 5 years sea duty / 2 years shore duty. Being in a so-called 'critical rating,' there was little chance of changing jobs to one with a more family-friendly sea/shore rotation. There was no question: I wasn't going to subject my family to lengthy absences, so reenlistment was definitely out!
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 05:37 PM
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3. I loved going to sea because that usually meant Liberty in Gitmo or San Juan
One should not join the Navy if they don't want to go to sea.

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Drew Richards Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 05:45 PM
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4. Bah San Juan sucked sailor tourist trap...now Holy Loch on the other hand
Was like a vacation at home.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 05:58 PM
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6. Nothing could beat
Valperaiso, Chile except maybe Cape Town SA
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