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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 10:47 AM
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The Rude Pundit: Random Thoughts Regarding the Murder of Troy Davis
1. In Slate, Dahlia Lithwick asks, "Will the Troy Davis case be the one that finally turns America against the death penalty?" and she concludes with the "faint hope" that it might. Here's the actual answer: oh, fuck no. See, we are a bloodthirsty nation that actually prides itself in being bloodthirsty. America exists now in a perpetual state of arrested development, stuck in a savage teenagehood: narcissistic, emotional, easily roused to uncontrollable bursts of violence, and filled with hate towards anyone who thinks differently. Just as we can be at war (do you remember that? We're at war still. Surprising, no?) with few visible consequences to the vast majority of Americans, we just don't give a fuck if a couple of innocent dudes are offed, as long as it's not our innocent family members and as long as we can keep offing the presumptively guilty ones, and don't even bother with trying to say that offing people is fucked up. That's the talk of pussies and losers. We're in the savage end days of empire, motherfuckers. Compassion is what gets you beaten down for the pennies in your pockets.

2. Let us not discuss the morality of the death penalty for a moment here. Let us talk about Troy Davis, executed last night despite witnesses recanting their testimony (which was the primary evidence against him), without asserting his innocence. Let us merely discuss doubt. Let us assume that it is primarily conservatives who support capital punishment. Let us narrow it even further and say that if you don't believe in climate change or evolution, you are probably someone who believes that government has a right to execute a convicted murderer. Now, let us address that presumptive person (who we might name "Rick Perry," but let's not get that specific).

Despite the fact that nearly every scientist on earth sees evolution as a fact and despite the fact that nearly every scientist on earth believes that climate change is occurring, you cling to the tiniest shards of doubt, believing that disproved studies are actually the pins that puncture the what you think is the easily popped balloon of big science. Yet chances are that you don't give a goddamn about the multiple, actual doubts that exist in a case like Troy Davis's. No, you are content to allow a man to die because where you see strength in your doubt when it comes to some things, you see doubt as weakness and ill-resolve here.

And, you know, you're kind of a dick, too. Probably racist. That helps.

3. So, yeah, we're not getting rid of the death penalty. We're a killy nation. We like it. We get off on it, jacking it to the countdown of doom clocks, fingering ourselves as we hear the executions announced. Oh, shit, why can't they be televised so it can become our motherfuckin' porn? It's better than Asian paraplegic nipple torture and ball stomping.

Not to attempt to civilize something that is, by its nature, completely uncivilized, but we live in a scientifically advanced time. If we're going to do this totally devolved, barbaric act, could we at least have a rule or two? Like howzabout no one can be offed unless there's proof on video? Or that DNA tests have been done to redundancy? And that there's a confession? And that the trial wasn't tainted by racism or incompetent lawyers? Can we at least smack down our snuff hard-ons long enough to only do it if we are so abso-fucking-lutely sure that the only arguments left are that capital punishment is the violent vestige of a cruel earlier time we are too arrogant to leave behind and accomplishes nothing and costs a shitload? Can we at least, at the very least, only kill people in our name if it's such a slamdunk that even the person being murdered by the state could say, "Well, fuck me, at least you dotted all the i's"?

4. By the way, if you oppose the death penalty, that means you opposed the execution of Lawrence Russell Brewer, who dragged James Byrd to death in a 1998 hate crime. Yeah, it's hard to actually have beliefs that aren't convenient to the moment. The Rude Pundit is completely opposed to capital punishment. That makes him more Christian than any slavering yahoo calling on an eye for an eye. And he's an atheist.

5. Officer Mark MacPhail's mother believes that Davis's execution was justice for her son's murder. She had no doubt, despite there being no DNA or video evidence. In Mississippi, the family of James Anderson, a black man who was randomly beaten by white teenagers and then run over by a truck belonging to one of them in June, opposes the death penalty for Anderson's murderers, despite the crime being filmed by a surveillance camera.

Make of it all what you will.

6. This is who we are right now, America: the country that doesn't care about guilt or innocence. We fight wars based on lies, we imprison people without charges, we torture and murder the innocent. How's it feel to be that country?

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 10:53 AM
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1. A very poignant K&R for this.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 10:57 AM
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2. Dear RP: Don't bad mouth our national religion
Here in the land of the High Church of Redemptive Violence, we don't cotton to no talk about how violence doesn't solve every problem that plagues mankind. And if applying violence gives the temporary illusion of making a situation worse, the only way forward is . . . more violence, motherfucker. Yeah, Afghanistan looks like a clusterfuck of colossal proportions, and the uncomfortable precedents set by empires from Alexander to Mikhail might give lesser men pause, but the exceptional Americans are here to show you all what a bunch of pussies guys like Genghis Khan were. And we're snappier dressers to boot.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 06:34 AM
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15. Actually, the Mongol approach was quite efficient and to the point
The first thing they did when conquering a city was to extort then execute all of the aristocrats and ruling elite (who had ruled in typically tyrannical fashion) thereby immediately making themselves friends & allies of everyone else living there. Then they set about finding all the most competent technocrats and recruiting them to posts in the administration. The best artisans would be commandeered into special projects. They were true exceptionalists in their time.
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Constance Craving Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 10:58 AM
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3. some of my very thoughts
elucidated. Especially #4 . . .
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 11:01 AM
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4. It's precisely where the DP seems apt, as for Brewer, that we should oppose it.
I couldn't help but say to myself "good" about Brewer's execution, but I still felt diminished by its occurrence.

And, yes, the murder of Troy Davis was just that: cold-blooded murder.
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 11:18 AM
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5. I'm not sure what to make of it.
"5. Officer Mark MacPhail's mother believes that Davis's execution was justice for her son's murder. She had no doubt, despite there being no DNA or video evidence. In Mississippi, the family of James Anderson, a black man who was randomly beaten by white teenagers and then run over by a truck belonging to one of them in June, opposes the death penalty for Anderson's murderers, despite the crime being filmed by a surveillance camera.

Make of it all what you will."

I read those two links, and my reaction was emotional, but I'm not still not sure how to process it logically. But thank you for those two links.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 11:26 AM
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6. How's it feel to be that country?
Like this: :puke:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 12:37 PM
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7. Oh, this is brilliance. He has totally exposed the bipolar nature of the conservative ignorance.
Edited on Thu Sep-22-11 12:38 PM by Gregorian
To doubt all of science that their conclusions are conclusive. Yet to accept the guilt of a man, to the point of allowing him to be killed, despite the fact that there is a high level of doubt of his guilt.

This is a form of insanity. I know it now. There is an illness in the United States of America.

I have my theories. I am quite certain of the causation. I won't post about it, as it seems silly. Lots of things that are true seem silly.

I think we're not going to recover before we suffer greatly.


edit- Also: Pro-life/Pro-war.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 01:13 PM
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8. Rude Pundit often nails it. I have no doubt MacPhail's mother
Edited on Thu Sep-22-11 01:14 PM by mnhtnbb
will be at church Sunday praising Jesus and not for a second, be bothered by
the irony that she worships an innocent man put to death by the state, and demanded a possibly
innocent man also be put to death by the state.

I hope some independent journalist out there follows her on Sunday if she goes
out and reports where she went.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 01:27 PM
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10. And he didn't even mention birtherism
Which not only thrives on the shards of doubt the Rude One mentions, but manufactures doubt where none exists (Google "Harrison J Bounel" to see birthers proving that they will believe absolutely anything, apart from actual documentary evidence of course).
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 01:23 PM
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9. kick
especially for #5
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 10:46 PM
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11. K&R n/t
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 11:11 PM
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12. Actually, Lawrence Russell Brewer Makes For Another Argument Against DP
Think about it, Lawrence Russell Brewer will be the first white man in Texas to be executed for killing a black person since the Reconstruction.

Now, we all know that Mr. Brewer was NOT the first white man to kill a black person in Texas, so unless they are starting to make up for a bunch of lost opportunities, this is just a case to cover their ass over the fact that the death penalty has been applied very unfairly across racial and class lines, especially in Texas, but also the rest of the country.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 12:34 AM
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13. I've got no problem with white men being put to death
There is nothing special about being white. I'm white, not that it should matter to anyone here.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 09:59 AM
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23. It Does Matter If The Death Penalty Is Weighted Towards The Poor And Minorities
Other than that, there's nothing special about being white, unless you ask white people if they want to be one of the minority group. Then you don't see a lot of takers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 01:25 AM
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14. RW propaganda works -- have no doubt of it ... FEAR as taught by the RW works on
the minds of Americas driving them to give up their Constitutional rights in

order to "fight terrorism" -- though more of us die from traffic accidents -- way more!


Thom Hartmann said 33,000 -- reports are 37,000 and here we have Fox with 40,000!

Car Crashes Kill 40,000 in U.S. Every Year
Every Year, Motor vehicle ... every single day. That’s how many people die on America’s roads daily, ... Traffic Can Trigger a Heart Attack;
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146212,00.html - Cached
More results from foxnews.com »


No one on the TV every day telling Americans that there's a CANCER death every 52 seconds --

1 of every 3 Americans struck by CANCER --

30,000 every year dying of gun shot wounds --


Americans seem a little dazed and distracted by RW propaganda -- you bet!!

And same with the death penalty which they've pushed for so long to the point where they

now get cheered for killing a prisoner!!


I'd also suggest that more than ever with the drug war and continuing RW racism that we have

to be extremely careful about intimidation of witnesses by police --


And, as for the police themselves -- over the last decades recruitment has obviously been to

intended to put more RW and brutal officers in place --

Also keep in mind that when RW killed JFK in Dallas, 50% of the Dallas police force were KKK!

When they killed RFK in Los Angeles, 50% of the LAPD were John Birchers -- !!


FEAR -- FDR really pegged it --

it can make people nuts and the RW relies on that -- !!


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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 06:43 AM
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16. K&R
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 06:50 AM
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17. Revenge is as American as Apple Pie and The Flag
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 07:35 AM
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18. I agree. Capital punishment is simply wrong. Period.
Edited on Fri Sep-23-11 07:38 AM by lunatica
It's murder no matter how nicely it's worded.

It's also no punishment. Punishment is making someone serve a life sentence knowing they will never again be free to even decide what to eat or where to go or even when to sleep.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 07:43 AM
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19. K&R. The Rude is spot on as usual.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 08:26 AM
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20. what disturbs me more than anything regarding the right wing Jacobean nuts is this...
they first started their insane corporate backed rants with, racism, then attacked health care reform with death panels, now they are openly cheering death.

Until they are literally bathing in blood, they won't be satisfied.

I fear killings will be next.

if their is a pseudo-civil war started, it will be by one of this right wing halfwits living out their rambo fantasy. they will fight the good fight against their own best interests and either get death by police or military or stew away in the federal pen writing their "memoir" entitled..."my plan".
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 08:39 AM
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21. Thank You
for this well written and well thought out post. It is exactly on point.

As to #5...in addition to Anderson's family opposition to killing his murderers, James Byrd's son was against the murder of Brewer as well. Both were ignored I think that says a lot about our injustice system.



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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 09:20 AM
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22. The RP nails this one.
Great observations!
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joanbarnes Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-11 10:26 AM
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24. To answer your question..terrible. I need a new country.
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