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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:56 PM
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Troy Davis' fate rests with Clarence Thomas?
Per Amy at Democracy Now. He's the one reviewing this case.

This shit is sadistic.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:57 PM
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1. Exactly what I thought
No wonder the police cars are out.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:58 PM
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2. Sadistic is the word. Shit also. (nt)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:58 PM
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3. Yeah, so Troy Davis is still in the execution chamber awaiting his fate. n/t
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 07:59 PM by RebelOne
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:58 PM
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4. NO, that is incorrect.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 08:01 PM by Tx4obama

Thomas received the paper work, then he sent it to the other eight justices.
Now they are ALL discussing the issue.

All of the justices will have an equal vote.


Edited to add:

RT @thinkprogress: MT @CBSAndrew: What's happened. Justice Thomas got #TroyDavis appeal and sent it to his 8 colleagues. They are now discussing.

http://twitter.com/#!/thinkprogress/status/116662435439575040




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:01 PM
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10. But he took the lead in consensus building. So no, not incorrect. n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:08 PM
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16. All Thomas did was receive the papers and sent them to the other justices.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 08:09 PM by Tx4obama

Justice Thomas gets only one vote just like the other eight justices.
Thomas is not going to be influential on how the others decide to vote.
If you haven't noticed ALL the justices have their own minds and can think on their own.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:12 PM
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18. No, that's wrong. Thomas can decide to give this case juice or not.
It's not a matter of the other justices being mindless but a matter of how these cases move through the process.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:18 PM
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21. What process are you talking about?
Thomas received the paperwork.
Thomas sent it to the other eight justices.
The justices read the document.
Now they are discussing it.
Presently we are waiting for ALL nine justices will vote, and their decision to be released.

It is very simple.


p.s. What 'kind of power' do you think Thomas has over the other justices?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:34 PM
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25. Are you talking about magic? Is that how you think groups of professionals
approach problems?

Sorry, Tx, I'm bored now. Have a good night


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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:38 PM
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26. We are talking about Supreme Court Justices. Not a company think tank.

I do know how the Supreme Court works and how they review cases, and their voting procedure.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 09:18 PM
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28. Tha's right. And Clarence Thomas is not a file clerk who delivers documents.
"The last time there was a stay, it was Clarence Thomas who created the consensus." -- Ben Jealous.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:21 PM
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23. That is incorrect. If Thomas refers the case to the full court (as he and all justices always do),
he becomes irrelevant (other than the one vote he has, just like the others).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 09:36 PM
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29. All except Thomas, of course. nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:59 PM
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5. Why was Clarence Thomas chosen?
Is there some kind of procedure involved? :shrug:
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:59 PM
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7. I think appeals were sent to all of the justices.
Maybe he's just the one who replied first.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:00 PM
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9. Thanks!
:hi:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:00 PM
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8. Never mind...post no. 4 answered my question...(nt)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:01 PM
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11. I think it's a statement Rev. Sharpton made regarding Thomas.
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 08:03 PM by Gregorian
I believe he mentioned it with the understanding that he may be the only one of the five who might have a change in heart.

Four justices is all we need. Not five.


edit- OK, I see post 4. I don't know what is happening. Either what I said, or the mere fact that Thomas was willing to even hand the paper to the justices. No lawyer here. I went into engineering for just this reason.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:02 PM
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12. He has worked on this case before. Considering the time constraints
that probably played a part.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:09 PM
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17. That, and they aren't in session
DemocracyNow reporting only a few of them in DC tonight.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:13 PM
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19. Yep.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:22 PM
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24. Only because he is the circuit justice that handles Georgia. Each justice automatically gets a
circuit (consisting of several states). It is automatic and pro forma.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:59 PM
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6. I believe that another Justice could step in if they felt compelled to do so. /nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:03 PM
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13. He won't decide it himself but is in a leading role. n/t
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:03 PM
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14. This is probably not correct. While Thomas is the circuit justice and could unilaterally deny the
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 08:11 PM by BzaDem
stay, in practice that almost never happens for death penalty cases. The circuit justice almost always refers the stay request to the full court, which then votes on it. It is basically just paperwork. The circuit justice has one vote just like everyone else, and most other justice could care less what the circuit justice thinks. (They might agree, but only because they themselves agree -- not because of the circuit justices' view.)

Sometimes, a justice will unilaterally grant a stay. But that is also rare. One notable instance of this was when justice Douglas unilaterally granted a stay to the Rosenbergs, which would have delayed the execution for at least a few months. But the rest of the court was so outraged that they held a conference almost immediately and vacated the stay.

But I don't know of any instance where a justice unilaterally denied a death penalty stay.

Unfortunately, it is still somewhat unlikely that there will be good news. If the court was going to grant the stay, they probably would have done so. It is just a one sentence order. The delay is probably because someone is writing a dissent to the denial of a stay (and perhaps a conservative is writing a reply to the dissent). Obviously this is just a guess though.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:04 PM
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15. All the justices where not in the building. Thomas received/sent paperwork to ALL the justices.
All the justices will 'discuss' and then 'vote'

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:14 PM
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20. If thats the case, he's done. I hope I'm wrong.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:19 PM
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22. That is NOT the case. See comment #4. n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:44 PM
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27. If his fate rests in anyone's hand it will be with Justice Kennedy
Edited on Wed Sep-21-11 08:45 PM by Tx4obama

Kennedy will be the swing vote.

Here's a link to a live blog with some info regarding the Justices

http://www.thenation.com/blog/163561/temporary-reprieve-troy-davis


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