I don't Thank president Obama for signing DADT repeal.

[xchrom]

He made the process a circus & people like dan choi had to suffer so he could hide behind others to get to the end.

He is incapable of coming out in front w/ the DOJ & do the right thing straight up.

I do thank the lgbtiq service people who sacrificed their careers.

Straight people in positions of real power making a political circus - not so much.

[Ben Gay]

1. He didn't sign it, Clinton did.

shrug

[leftynyc]

82. Newbie can't read

Pres Obama signed the DADT REPEAL.

[JuniperLea]

2. He did it the only way he could that would make it stick...

Had he done what you suggest it could have been easily overturned by the next team.

You got what you wanted, and still you ___________.

That you didn't get it in the imperfect way you want is more telling of you than of Obama.

[dennis4868]

5. I think the original poster knows that...

this is DU, we have to complain about Obama about something everyday...slow news day re: Obama so give the guy a break...he's fishing.

[JuniperLea]

9. You're right, of course...

I'm tired of bullshit... but I guess that's all some have left... so be it.

[pintobean]

7. +1

[dsc]

10. actually it can be undone by the next guy

The law only got rid of DADT it didn't institute a right for gays to serve. The rule that will allow gays to serve will be made by Obama.

[JuniperLea]

15. Oh, the path is there...

But chances of getting any traction is nil.

Gays have been allowed to serve for a very long time, as long as they DADT. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but would appreciate the edification.

[dsc]

24. All that was done was the removal of DADT

the sodomy law, the constitutionality of which hasn't been adjudicated, still exists. In addition, DADT was replaced by no language at all in regards to gays serving. All of the rules that will allow us to serve will be all executive orders or regulations. They could be replaced by rules stating we aren't permitted to serve at all.

[JuniperLea]

28. Good luck with that... eom

[dsc]

31. You really think that neither Perry nor Bachman to name two

wouldn't try to reinstate a ban on gay servicemen? That is one reason I would like to see a court ruling.

[JuniperLea]

34. Like I said...

The chance of getting traction on this is nil. Perry and Bachman will obviously be painful memories in the very near future. Only a very small amount of TeaBaggers will support them... and the TeaBaggers are on their way to memory lane as well.

[dsc]

71. Actually Romney might well be worse

think Bush the elder on abortion. He always went out of his way to prove his bonafides on that issue and Romney will feel the need to do the same. I do realize that it would be hard on some level to put the tooth paste back in the tube. But I would feel much better with a law or legal ruling.

[William769]

37. People have such a bad memories (not you).

Blue discharges anyone?

[ThomCat]

53. That's not true.

Fighting against the repeal in court certainly wasn't necessary.

Refusing to help campaign for the repeal among reps wasn't necessary.

Taking so much credit for the repeal when he came in at the last minute to sign on for everyone else's hard work is cheap politics.

[ruggerson]

58. that is utter bullshit and you know it

They stripped out all the anti-discrimination language from the bill and the DOJ fought the court ruling that established a nationwide precedent that DADT was unconstitutional.

And I give, and have given, Obama props for bringing the military aboard and for signing the repeal bill.

[JuniperLea]

77. Wrong... wrong... wrong...

The bullshit is on the other boot, dude.

[movonne]

3. Well then thank the repugs....

:sarcasm:

[dennis4868]

4. Clinton signed DADT...

but if you are saying that Obama does not deserve credit for the repeal of DADT...no surprise there...this is DU! Something bad happens = Obama's fault no matter how little control Obama has over it; Something good happens = shrug it off as no big deal and besides, Obama could have gotten that done earlier....BULLSHIT!

[JuniperLea]

12. You speak the truth. I BLAME OBAMA!

Shame on you... erm... Fuck Obama!

I get it now!

[dennis4868]

21. huh?

[JuniperLea]

29. Just practicing...

in case I want to switch sides someday:D

I agree with everything you said.

[rug]

6. Yup. The law and the drawn out repeal cost a lot for a lot of people.

[William769]

8. Heres a article for you xchrom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aubrey-sarvis/obamas-measured-path-to-d_b_971074.html

[Tx4obama]

32. Good article. Thank you for posting it.

Excerpt, last paragraph:

Some will rightly quibble over how long it took Obama's White House to pull off this remarkable achievement and who should get credit for what, but one thing few can argue is that repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" would not have happened without a determined President Obama, the essential and unwavering buy-in and support from our military, and an awful lot of very good luck.

[William769]

43. How was the rest of the article?

"When pushed on the issue of DADT in the spring of 2009, one of President Obama's senior aides bluntly told me, "You don't have the votes for repeal." Then, after months of careful deliberations and pressure from a wide range of interests, the President's team embarked upon a path that would make it extraordinarily difficult to get a successful repeal vote in 2010. They had solid reasons for the plan they decided on with the top military leadership, but I did not agree with their timeline.

Initially, the President did not call for Congress to repeal DADT outright as many of us had hoped; he didn't order the military to stop enforcing the law under emergency "stop-loss" powers; and he didn't want the courts to order the military to undo DADT. What he eventually proposed was far more ambitious and time consuming."

[Tx4obama]

63. I already said it is a 'good article'. Don't push it ;) n/t

[William769]

68. Push what?

[quinnox]

11. K&R

Yea, it does seem funny to see the Obama supporters try and pretend this is some great victory for him. As if he was working for years to get this done or something.

[KG]

14. +infinity

[Tx4obama]

16. No, it is a victory for the LGBT community - due to President Obama's actions.

Thank you Mr. President :patriot:

[JuniperLea]

18. And he did work for years on this...

All the years he's been in office and in a postition to work on it.

Thank you Mr. President!

:patriot:

[Tx4obama]

13. Like it or not, the president that signed the Repeal of DADT was OBAMA

McCain NEVER would have signed it.

Thank you President Obama :)

[William769]

17. He did it all himself?

Funny Pepole are now saying Obama can't get nothing done because of Congress. Just saying.

[JuniperLea]

19. I guess you missed the parts where the opposition...

Proved themselves to be the bigots they truly are... that action gets no traction with anyone.

BTW, no one here said he did it all alone... he signed the bill... no one else could do that... and had McCain won, you can bet your sweet ass it wouldn't have been signed at all... it wouldn't have even gotten that far.

[William769]

20. A override.

Just saying. BTW we will never know for sure.

[JuniperLea]

22. Straw grabbing...

Inability to give props... just saying.

[William769]

27. ...

:rofl:

How much opposition Did Clinton have trying to end the ban? Now you want to talk about opposition! Even the majority of his own fucking party plus the military was against him. Obama had a walk in the park most of the work was done for him even before he was elected President.

[Tx4obama]

25. No one, including the president, ever said he did it all himself. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

23. Do you have any recollection of how DADT came about in the first place?

Clinton came into office in '93 and promised that he would repeal the ban on gays in the military with executive order. The second he did this, the right wing with the full support military brass, including the joint chiefs, waged a major PR campaign against Clinton. They painted him as an out of touch liberal, who had never served, trying to push a radical social agenda on a brave men and women in uniform. Their campaign was so successful that bipartisan congressional majorities were ready to pass a law that would override his executive order. DADT was the compromise we got out of that fiasco.

Obama, who also had never served, was faced with a similar problem. Therefore, letting Admiral Mullen and Secretary Gates be the faces of repealing DADT was an incredibly smart move, even though it took longer. Yes, Dan Choi got screwed. Yes, Obama is moving way too fucking slow on gay rights. Yes, his position on marriage equality is fucking ridiculous. But he got this one right.

[lunatica]

26. Well you can just keep sulking. It's your right.

Meantime DADT is dead and gone.

[dionysus]

30. lol, of course you don't.

[SidDithers]

33. Unrecommend...nt

Sid

[dbt]

61. THANK YOU, SID!!!!!!!!!

Your opinion is always good for a rec from me. Bless your heart.

:evilgrin:

Srsly, I wouldn't know what to think around here without you!

:loveya:

[dionysus]

64. hey Sid, you got a candy heart i can borrow?

[SidDithers]

66. I certainly do...

Sid

[dionysus]

70. thanks! oh... i almost forgot... (unrec)

;)

[TwilightGardener]

35. Okay.

[Name removed]

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[xchrom]

38. Well - that was unenlightened. To put it kindly. Nt

[phleshdef]

41. Right because your desperate, dishonest OP attempting to minimize the President's victory...

..was SO enlightening.

I just have to laugh at the fact that 20 or 30 years from now, historians will talk about how Barack Obama ended DADT and what a victory it was for civil rights while no one, and I mean no one, will give your point of view on it a second thought. Thats what happens to a pile of shit point of view, such as yours, that is totally dishonest and wrong. History tends to ignore it because its of no significance.

[William769]

39. Repeal of DADT started before Obama was elected President.

He did sign it. And there isn't one god damn thing you can do about that. Just gets under your skin, doesn't it?

[Name removed]

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[William769]

42. And you think that hurts me?

:rofl:

What does hurt me is ignorant people who can't even history right, when it's not even 8 years old!

[phleshdef]

45. No, I don't care enough to actually consider whether it does or not.

[William769]

47. And it shows. NT

[phleshdef]

49. Good. It was suppose to.

[xchrom]

44. Obama led a charge on pillows, maybe.

He made purposeful mess of DADT repeal.

[phleshdef]

48. There was no mess. DADT repeal, compared to other civil rights fights, was pretty mild.

There were a few court challenges to the law that the JD held at bay while REAL repeal was in the works. Then REAL repeal happened. There was no blood. Your premise that it was ever a "mess" is absolute bullshit in the first place, let alone the laughable notion that it was a mess on purpose.

Obama did it his way, which was the right way, a way that made a real change to the law and produced a permanent result, a way that future courts and future Presidents just couldn't undo at the drop of a hat. He didn't do it your way because your way would've been painfully stupid. Thats the part that bothers you. He rejected your way, did it his way and was successful at it. He won the argument. You lost the argument.

[BklnDem75]

46. It ended with Obama

That's the bottom line

[xchrom]

50. His path to ending it gets nothing from me. Nt

[BklnDem75]

51. I'm sure he'll still sleep soundly.

[xchrom]

59. As all straights are 'entitled' to do. Nt

[BklnDem75]

62. Or in Obama's case...

people who actually put work into making this happen.

[LanternWaste]

80. I imagine that particular concern will receive all the credibility it warrants...

"As all straights are 'entitled' to do..."

I imagine that particular concern will receive all the credibility its relevancy warrants...

[phleshdef]

54. His path to ending it was superior to yours in every way. Thats what really bothers you.

You wanted him to just let it be done with a fragile court decision. He didn't do it your way. He did it his way. And his way was superior because its more permanent. Obama's path was superior to your path and you can't stand it. Therefore you must desperately try to minimize the credit going his way in order to deal with the result in your own little mind.

[William769]

55. Once again let me correct you, there is still a court case.

The DOJ is still trying to squash it but so far no luck. Sorry.

[phleshdef]

69. Once again what? When was the first mention of that from you to me?

I think you are confusing posters now or theres something I haven't seen yet.

[whistler162]

57. Holding your breath until you get your way didn't work?

I am surprised!

[MineralMan]

52. It is over. Finished.

That's reason enough for me to celebrate. I'm sorry you cannot see that.

[CloakedClock]

56. Considering all that was on his plate...

...I think he got it done pretty quickly, and did it as best he could. Maybe he didn't do it *exactly* how I wanted it, but he did it, and he did it fairly well in my opinion. I can't complain.

You know, maybe doing it quietly was the best thing. Being too self-righteous may have turned off a lot of moderates. He killed it quietly and frankly, maybe it needed a quiet death.

[Firebrand Gary]

60. I gotta say, that's a pretty lame statement. Provocative? Yes, accurate? NO

Be sure NOT to thank President Obama for appointing Elena and Sonia either then.

[treestar]

65. For crying out loud!

Christ on a trailer hitch!

This is deranged.

[Azathoth]

67. Translation: "I hate the guy so much I'm going to condemn him for doing exactly what he promised

when I voted for him."

Yawn.

[backscatter712]

72. When DU 3 comes out...

[SidDithers]

73. Love that pic...

I'm so stealing it :thumbsup:

Sid

[backscatter712]

75. Yeah, I do have fun sometimes with Downvoting Roman. n/t

[NYC Liberal]

74. Oh bullshit. If it hadn't been passed, all the blame would have been placed

SQUARELY on Obama.

Of course, he only gets blame - never credit.

"Circus" my ass.

[MrScorpio]

76. That's your prerogative.

You're also quite free to come up with your own explanation as to why DADT is no longer the law of the land.

However, I doubt that many will agree with you.

[NeedleCast]

78. Some Mother Fuckers Always Trying To Ice Skate Uphill...

[William769]

79. Yea kissing the GOPS ass isn't helping any. NT

[AngkorWot]

81. Sounds real classy, bro.

[ecstatic]

83. Amazing.

:eyes: He made the process a circus? But yet you wanted Clinton, whose husband signed DADT and supported DOMA, to win. Give me a break!

[BeeBee]

84. I do. n/t