A Chicago writer on MSNBC said that Obama should step down

[fadedrose]

and let Hillary run instead. He gave reasons I was deaf to...but I think that one reason that Obama is pictured as "weak" is the poor support he gets from the Democrats who wanted and still want Hillary Clinton for pres...

When Obama just got the nomination, my retired republican minister neighbor who always stopped to talk politics with me - very nicely btw., told me that child had just adopted a black baby and he was so proud and happy about Obama being black that he was going to foresake his abortion feelings and vote for him....

He warned, however, (this is him, not me who said this) that if he picks Hillary Clinton as a Vice President, he should hire a food taster...

I think about that everytime I hear Dems clamoring about Obama being weak and wishing that Hillary had won.

[Atman]

1. A Connecticut writer on DU said that the Chicago writer can go fuck himself.

:hi:

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[gateley]

3. +1 from Seattle. nt

[truebrit71]

16. +1 from Chicago

..you know, to balance out the other Chicago dipshit..

[Cirque du So-What]

2. The reanimation of the PUMAs

I hope DU mods have practicing their zombie onslaught skills.

[sharp_stick]

4. Must be getting close to an election

the PUMA's are coming out of hibernation. Kind of like the cicada's they show up very regularly with an annoying noise guaranteed to keep you awake if your windows are open. Unlike cicada's unfortunately, the birds aren't able to stomach them any more than anyone with a brain is.

[TwilightGardener]

5. An attempt to divide and demoralize the Dem base, kicked off by Dick Cheney

and echoed by a handful of supposed "Democrats".

[fadedrose]

7. What does PUMA stand for? I honestly don't know..nt

[TwilightGardener]

8. Party Unity My Ass.

[fadedrose]

13. Thank you...it's now my favorite acronym...

We need that one for sure in DU....

[sufrommich]

12. Yep. I was a huge Hillary supporter. I don't know how many

times this needs to be repeated but HILLARY IS NOT THE ENEMY!Jesus, Bill Clinton even came right out and told dems not to fall for Cheneys shit. Yet some still take the bait regardless.

[fadedrose]

25. Never heard what Cheney said about Hillary Clinton...

or was it in the book? Never read that either, never will.

If he said anything good about Clinton, I think most Dems would think he hurt her more than helped her.

His favorable remarks about her (if there were any) must be a euphemism to avoid criticism as a racist for his opposition to Obama.

[leftynyc]

36. Here's the story

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/18/bill-clinton-dick-cheney-hillary-2012_n_968532.html

And Bill had it right...dick just trying to cause trouble.

[TomClash]

6. Republican black ops

In every sense of the word.

Just like the phony "Obama clinical depression" meme.

[Enrique]

9. i think that was Steve Chapman

i'm familiar with him, i don't find his opinions on Obama especially useful. :shrug:

[fadedrose]

17. Thanks, that was him...

What kind of writer is he - liberal, rep. or nonparty?

I hope he wasn't another unloyal democrat....I had enough of them during the health bill fight...

[City Lights]

21. Here's his Chi-Trib bio:

Steve Chapman
Bio

Steve Chapman is a columnist and editorial writer for the Chicago Tribune. His twice-a-week column on national and international affairs, distributed by Creators Syndicate, appears in some 50 papers across the country.

Chapman has been a member of the Tribune editorial board since 1981. He came to the Tribune from The New Republic magazine, where he was an associate editor. He has contributed articles to several national magazines, including Slate, The American Spectator, The Weekly Standard, Reason, and National Review. He has appeared on numerous TV and radio news programs, include The CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News, The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, and National Public Radio’s Fresh Air, Talk of the Nation and On Point.

Born in Brady, Texas in 1954, Chapman grew up in Midland and Austin. He attended Harvard University, where he was on the staff of The Harvard Crimson, and graduated with honors in 1976. He has been a fellow at the American Academy in Berlin and the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and has served on the Visiting Committee of the University of Chicago Law School.

Chapman, who is married, has two sons, a daughter, and three stepsons. He lives in the suburbs of Chicago.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-stevechapman,0,7991252,bio.columnist

[fadedrose]

30. Thanks ....

When he was announced they said that he was from Obama's hometown, the implication being that he knew Obama better than anyone...

American Spectator, bad news. This guy's a creep.

[dennis4868]

10. This Florida writer...

says that the Chicago writer should go fuck himself up the ass!

[sufrommich]

11. Ridiculous bullshit. Do you think she had Vince Foster

killed too? :eyes:

[fadedrose]

14. "too" ?? who were the others...:)

[HipChick]

15. Google the Clinton 'Death' list

[Jackpine Radical]

19. I think that's a reference to the "food taster" comment in your OP.

[joeybee12]

20. The Repuke minister implied Hilary would kill Obama if she were his

running mate...can't have a woman whose ambitious, you know!

[JohnnyRingo]

18. If that were to happen...

I'd expect a similar treatment for Ms Clinton that Obama has received the past 3 years.

The racist hatred will instead find roots in misogyny. I believe two of the reasons Limbaugh wanted to see Hillary run instead of Obama in 2008 was that he already had a huge folder of attack ammo to use against her, and because he was more comfortable using the term "bitch" instead of the word he hasn't been yet able to speak to discredit the president. He feels he's lost a perfectly good chance to foment hatred of a liberal icon.

Even among Democrats, we have to admit that many are racists, but there's also has large group that felt Bill was entitled to his infidelity. It's sad, but both have divisive qualities. Personally, I love 'em both. I do think Republicans would have an easier time using disgusting verbiage against Hillary.

[fadedrose]

22. I'm wishing I'd hear Hillary proclaim her staunch support for Obama

and say without equivocation that she would NEVER run against him and disassociate herself from any of her supporters and refer to them as "former" supporters and chide them publicly and loudly.

Obama did that twice - with the minister from his former church and with a campaign worker who referred to Mrs. Clinton as, hmm, was it a word that rymes with "witch" or some other insult. Anybody have a better recollection? He fired her I believe...

[sufrommich]

24. What the hell are you talking about? She has made it very

clear that she has no intention of running for president."Disassociate herself from any of her supporters" which supporters and why?

[fadedrose]

26. Common sense, that's why.

It might stop people like that writer from Chicago driving wedges into the party.

You see, I love President Obama and take criticism of him within the party with a grain of suspicious salt.

Nobody could fix in two years what George W. leisurely took 8 years to screw up so catastrophically.

Yes, I saw her say recently that she wasn't running. I also remember her saying that a year or so before the 2008 election and guess what, she ran.

[sufrommich]

27. Cheney thanks you for playing along.nt

[fadedrose]

32. Attacking me is about the dumbest thing I've seen in this thread

I am passionate about my love for Howard Dean, and always listen appreciatively when he agrees with or supports the President, and he does it every time he's on TV.

If a group started itself about supporting Howard Dean to run against Obama, I would vociferously condemn the group and expect Dean to shout loudly that they should disband. And I bet he would.

[sufrommich]

34. What "group" is this conservative writer representing? A

pro Hillary group? This is a rather ham fisted attempt to split democrats, nobody who is a democrat really believes Hillary is going to run against Obama.

[Shagbark Hickory]

23. I don't know why people think she would be any less weak. And I remember how polarizing she was in

07-08. She was ALMOST to retubbies what bachmann is to us.

We need a liberal dick cheenie type.

Edit... We need a Rick Perry of our own.

[frazzled]

28. He is a conservative (Republican) columnist

Town Hall claims him as one of its own. Now why would we pay attention to what he has to say?

[FarLeftFist]

29. And the diversion tactics begin...

[WI_DEM]

31. I believe you must be referring to Steve Chapman, a conservative writer

for the equally conservative Chicago Tribune who penned a column this last weekend saying the president should step down?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

33. What's the asshole's name?

[blogslut]

35. And, in writing this column, he gets to be on the teevee!

I don't know which is sadder, some right-winger trolling for attention or the news network(s?) willing to accommodate him.

[dtexdem]

37. I supported Obama in the 2008 primaries against Hillary.

Remember then? It was us (in my case, Obama) against them (in my case, Hillary), fought out over month after grueling month. Fought out in my local committee, then county convention (thousands of us in a public park because there was no venue available large enough to accommodate the numbers), and then at the state convention. And I'm not sure that Hillary would be any better.

But I would welcome Obama's stepping down and letting a real Democrat run in 2012.

But, then, ain't gonna happen, anyway.

[Monk06]

38. In other words Obama should step down so that we don't get our asses kicked again. Pure delusion.

Or as Iggy would say, "That's just hynotizin chickens."

[Warren DeMontague]

39. I think the "Democrats who wish it was Hillary" number about six, total.

Serious political observers understand that a centrist Hillary Clinton administration would be much like the centrist BILL Clinton administration and also much like the centrist Barack Obama administration.

The people who are pissed off and disappointed with Obama would NOT be significantly happier with HRC, because she would likely be governing by the exact same 'moderate' playbook.

Want something different? You need someone who isn't playing the moderate/DLC/3rd way game.

[Major Hogwash]

40. Hey Delta Dawn, what's that flower you got on?

Could it be a faded rose from days gone by?

Good song, and I really like Tanya Tucker when she started out, too.