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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:19 PM
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Why do the Poor Continue to Defend tax Breaks for the Rich
http://corymccray.com/2011/06/why-do-the-poor-continue-to-defend-tax-breaks-for-the-rich/



Sometimes I just don’t understand why there is always a financially struggling college kid, a low wage worker, or a middle class citizen that feel as though they have to go out of their way to defend tax breaks for the rich. At least once a month I find one person that wants to argue against their own interest and it continues to baffle me.

Their argument is always that government can’t tax or has to cut taxes for large corporations or millionaires so that they can invest in the economy and create jobs. My first question for them is “Have you ever heard of General Electric?” Here is a corporation that paid zero dollars ($0.00) in corporate taxes, and received a tax benefit of 3.2 billion dollars. In addition, they are still shipping American jobs overseas. General Electric has over 300 tax lawyers that help them evade paying taxes and find every corporate loophole known to man. They do not need another lobbyist that is paycheck “free”. The people that need to be heard or need lobbyist are the middleclass that had to almost give up their right arm for a tax break, the federal workers who are receiving a two year freeze in pay, and the state workers that have been taking furlough days for the last four years. Those are the people that need to be represented and have their voices heard.

Just take my state, the state of Maryland. We just came out of the ninety (90) day session where everyone was on the chopping block except for millionaires and corporations. Young Workers received tier systems for pensions, retirees have to pay more for prescriptions, the EZ-Pass tolls for drivers are going up, the cost of alcohol taxes were raised, and many social programs were cut. However the corporate loophole called combined reporting, was never addressed. This is where large corporations that do business with multiple states pay taxes on the profits they made in the State with the lowest tax margin. This helps them to evade paying corporate taxes in Maryland. This is a great disadvantage for Maryland small businesses that are being squeezed and can’t enjoy those lucrative tax loopholes. Most of all, when children, retirees, new workers, state employees, and others are sharing in the sacrifice the millionaires in Maryland get a tax break. The Millionaires tax rate went from 6.25% to 5.5% starting on January 1, 2011. So I say once again they do not need another lobbyist that is paycheck “free”.

How could anyone think that trickledown economics could ever work? Banks and Insurance companies proved this when they received all types of bailouts during the recession and refused to lend money to the working class or small businesses. Instead they just let the money sit in their vaults, closed lines of credits (LOC’s), and let the American economy go on life support. The way to go will always be bottom-up. Give the tax breaks to the working class or small businesses because they will always spend the money to put their kids through college, purchase a home, go on vacation, buy food at the local grocer, and maybe even purchase a car. America’s economy has always been strong when the middleclass is thriving because the dollars are being recycled and people are spending money.

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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:21 PM
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1. They watch TV
And that's what the TV tells them they should do.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:25 PM
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2. The propaganda, lies, disinformation and distortions run soooo deep in America it's
a wonder the country functions each day.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:32 PM
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3. most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of
being poor."
From the movie "1776"

It also has to do with framing and self-image.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 07:41 AM
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23. ...because someday, they're *ALL* going to win the lottery.
(Mathematical irony intended.)

Tesha
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BrendaBrick Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:21 AM
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25. Yep. I think you nailed it!
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:33 PM
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4. Baffles me. I see that conduct coming from people that are clearly
not the type the rich would give a second look to.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:34 PM
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5. America is the land of opportunity, ANYONE can get rich here
they think that they will be rich one day and they don't want high taxes to effect them. :eyes: In other words they believe the bullshit. :-(
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:39 PM
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6. Because they expect their lottery numbers to hit any day now
and they don't want their winnings taxed at a higher rate
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:42 PM
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7. I tend to agree ...
... but even if a generous exemption on lottery winnings were included, poor people would still continue to oppose tax increases on the rich.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:44 PM
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8. They want to drown government in a bathtub. Obviously they don't want more funding for it.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-11 08:47 PM by dkf
In their eyes deficits help further their cause.

And obviously not all the poor feel this way but the ones you are citing probably do.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:44 PM
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9. That they are ready, willing, and able to argue against their own
Edited on Tue Sep-20-11 08:46 PM by Boojatta
interest is actually a hopeful sign, even though its particular form here isn't hopeful.

Of all people who are in fact guilty of actions that are not merely officially crimes, but
also evil, what percentage respond to law enforcement officers by admitting guilt,
apologizing, and applying persistent effort to rectify the problems created by their crimes?
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:53 PM
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10. Perhaps it is because they know that taking more from others does not translate to more for them.
They have seen this game before and they know that the takers and the taken are simply two rival gangs endeavoring to enrich themselves and their cronies at the expense of the People.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:03 PM
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12. How about the game of war?
It costs the People not merely money, but lives and limbs.

Many people who want low tax rates for the highest income earners
were also enthusiastic supporters of the war in Iraq.
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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:32 PM
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16. Point taken; however, they have elected Representatives who are supposed to more rational...
However, the People's Representatives do not sacrifice their sons and daughters in the random and whimsical wares they wage.

The power to declare war was vested in the Congress to ensure a rational contemplation of the grievances, as well as the projected cost of lives and resources of the People. However, Congress has hidden behind the War Powers Resolution for nearly 40 years. It allows them to put one foot in the water and if things get too hot, they can elude the blame and leave the President standing alone.

Back to your point: You, me and anyone who casts a vote for an elected official is responsible for the decisions made by those we choose to represent us. Many Americans refuse to confront, or have no concept of reality; however, "we the People" have no one else to blame for the perpetual corruption, empty policies and mindless wars.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 08:57 PM
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11. The answer is simply because they have jobs in the private sector.
Why is this so difficult to get across on DU? You all keep thinking they're all stupid.

Only some of them are.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:12 PM
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13. You are kind of making their argument for them...
Especially the way I have had the wingnuts make that argument to me...

Your entire post contains a very hard Truth...

1. The rich are not altruistic and to all Americans paying taxes is not seen as a patriotic duty it is seen as something to avoid.

So this leaves wiggle room for the teaheads to complain that even raising the taxes on the rich will only result in the rich finding other ways to hide their money or worse they will find ways to make the middleclass suffer that tax burden, either through cost increases in goods and services that businesses supply or through layoffs and cutbacks to make up the tax difference or moving more of their business overseas, or buying things from overseas instead of made in America.

Therefore they will claim that the issue is that the government is spending more money then it is taking in and therefore the government should cut that spending, many even agree to drastic military cuts but they also attack unions, public sector employees and pensioners as well as Social Security and Medicare.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:13 PM
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14. Low IQ and Racist !
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:28 PM
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15. Probably like the dirt poor southerners in the Civil War that were conned
by the rich plantation owners into believing they were really fighting for states' rights.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:41 PM
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17. Maybe they don't have a good alternative for learning anything else? /nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:42 PM
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18. Because they are brainfuckingwashed motherfucking I D I O T S!
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 09:52 PM
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19. From Michael Moore in 2004:
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:12 PM
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20. they thrive on hot-button issues.
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cabot Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 10:17 PM
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21. Because they believe they will be rich one day
Poor delusional bastards.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 11:45 PM
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22. the really amazing thing is that people do not seem to have a choice
There is Maryland, cutting taxes for the rich and cutting spending for workers and seniors and the poor. Yet Maryland's Governor is a Democrat, The Maryland House is ruled by the Democratic Party 98-43 and the Senate is ruled by the Democratic Party 35-12. If nobody will even consider tax increases on the rich, or hell, even leaving their taxes the same instead of cutting them at every available opportunity, then it becomes the conventional wisdom that such things just are not done.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 08:36 AM
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24. Because they think they will eventually be rich.
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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:24 AM
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26. They somehow believe that they will become.....
rich, & want to defend what they someday may be eligible for.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:25 AM
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27. They think they will also be rich some day
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BrendaBrick Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:27 AM
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28. I think, at least for some...
It's almost like a vicarious "status symbol" in a screwed-up sort of way!
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:28 AM
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29. Happens countless times throughout history
French Revolution of the 18th Century
Persian Constitutional Revolution of the early 20th century

American Revolution??

The point is the wealthy always find ways to use the most impoverished in society to work for them against those who seek change.

Lack of intelligence? Not necessarily--mainly lack of knowledge of the facts.

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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:38 AM
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30. John Steinbeck explained it:
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

That sums it up in a nutshell.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 11:46 AM
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31. It's not hard to figure out
They simply place individual rights and "wedge" issues, before money.
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:03 PM
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32. I'm havina a "conversation" with someone about this on another forum - she;s a nut

she said that if we took a million dollars from every millionaire in the US and passed it amongst all of us, we would only get 5 dollars each, so it would be ridiculous to take thier money. I questioned her numbers because with a population of over 300,000,000, that would mean there are only 1500 millionaires in the US. And according to the WSJ there are over 3.1 million millionairs.

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/06/22/u-s-has-record-number-of-millionaires/

I asked where she got this info and she kept dodging. She is "poor" and living on a state gov pension. Sucked at the gov teat, but now hates the gov - whack-a-loon.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-11 12:53 PM
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33. Trailer Trash Republicans. Boggles my mind too!
The advertising/propaganda machine has actually convinced this demographic that they're not actually poor, but they're temporarily inconvenience millionaires.
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