Why the **** is Lawrence O'Donnell Interviewing Ralph Nader???

[BlueDemKev]

What the hell is he doing? Give the asshole free publicity to launch another disastrous third-party bid and help Republicans get elected? Anyone who adheres to liberal values need to kick Ralph Nader in the ass. His stubborness ultimately caused the election of George W. Bush....and that FACT cannot be denied.

[Hardrada]

1. Hurrah for Ralph Nader! He speaks truth about corporatism.

May God scatter his enemies.

[YellowCosmicSun]

3. Ralph hasn't done shit since Unsafe at any Speed.

[Luminous Animal]

14. Clean water act... Disability act...

and so many many more. Your ignorance of history and Nader's pivotal influence on consumer protections is duly noted.

[jefferson_dem]

128. Yeah.

Nader used to be cool...before he became a tool...

and selfishly pissed away his legacy, and his dignity.

[Luminous Animal]

136. Actually, it is you who negates his legal and constitutional right to run who is denying his legacy.

Did you also rail against Perot when he handed the election to Clinton?

I don't recall one Democrat who did. NOR ANY REPUBLICAN. Citizens of both parties would accept the loss (may not like it, but accept it) despite 3rd party runs. Only since Nader ran has it become un-American(i.e., Nader the Traitor) to challenge the two-party system.

What is everyone afraid of?

[frylock]

43. why not post a list of all your great accomplishments..

we can make a comparison to nader's, and then we can determine who "hasn't done shit."

[libinnyandia]

96. Nader's legacy

Sad to say, Mr. Nader's legacy will include not only the positive things he helped to acccomplish (he didn't do them alone), but also George W. Bush's. I have a recurring nightmare: I pick up the paper and on the front page:The SCOTUS has come down with another evil decision, Mr. Nader declares he's running for president again, and scientists announce they have developed a pill that will extend human life for several decades. The SCOTUS would be able to continue its evil ways for years to come and Mr. Nader will be able to continue running, never swinging the election again, but saddening those who remember his early years, when he workrd with Democrats, and if I'm not mistaken, a few Republicans to bring about change.

[Luminous Animal]

103. And if Ross Perot hadn't run?

[NaturalHigh]

120. Most people forget about that.

[Luminous Animal]

126. He's the "traitor" that Democrats love.

[stevenleser]

162. Why do you guys think that proves anything? Of course in a battle, you love the other sides traitors

and hate your own.

[ozone_man]

127. Bush I instead of Clinton.

But, Clinton turned out to be a better Republican than Bush even, with NAFTA, appointing Alan Greenspan, repealing Glass-Steagall, unregulating derivatives leading to the sub-prime mess, ultimately recession/depression.

To anyone watching coherently, it should be clear that we have only one party, the corporatist party.

[Luminous Animal]

88. Instrumental in the following legislation(it's a long list;get someone to help read it)

* Clean Air Act
* Clean Water Act
* Consumer credit disclosure law
* Consumer Product Safety Act
* Co-Op Bank Bill
* Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act
* Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
* Freedom of Information Act
* Funeral home cost disclosure law
* Law establishing Environmental Protection Agency
* Medical Devices safety
* Mine Health and Safety Act
* Mobile home safety
* National Automobile and Highway Traffic Safety Act
* National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
* Natural Gas Pipeline Safety Act
* Nuclear power safety
* Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA)
* Pension protection law
* Safe Water Drinking Act
* Tire safety & grading disclosure law
* Whistleblower Protection Act
* Wholesome Meat Act
* Wholesome Poultry Product Act

Just some of the organizations Ralph Nader founded or helped start:

* American Antitrust Institute
* Appleseed Foundation
* Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
* Aviation Consumer Action Project
* Buyers Up
* Capitol Hill News Service
* Center for Auto Safety
* Center for Insurance Research
* Center for Justice and Democracy
* Center for Science in the Public Interest
* Center for Study of Responsive Law
* Center for Women Policy Studies
* Citizen Action Group
* Citizen Advocacy Center
* Citizen Utility Boards
* Citizen Works
* Clean Water Action Project
* Congress Project
* Congress Watch
* Connecticut Citizen Action Group
* Corporate Accountability Research Group
* Critical Mass Energy Project
* Democracy Rising
* Disability Rights Center
* Equal Justice Foundation
* Essential Information
* FANS (Fight to Advance the Nation's Sports)
* Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
* Freedom of Information Clearinghouse
* Georgia Legal Watch
* Global Trade Watch
* Health Research Group
* Litigation Group
* Multinational Monitor
* National Citizen's Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
* National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* National Insurance Consumer Organization
* Ohio Public Interest Action Group
* Organization for Competitive Markets
* Pension Rights Center
* Princeton Project 55
* PROD - truck safety
* Public Citizen
* Retired Professionals Action Group
* Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
* Student Public Interest Research Groups nationwide
* Tax Reform Research Group
* Telecommunications Research and Action Center
* The Visitor's Center
* Trial Lawyers for Public Justice

[EmeraldCityGrl]

149. Lieberman could be our president right now...

if you want to play the "what if" and "if only" game.

[BiggJawn]

130. And THAT was a hack job on GM.

Generous Muthas had corrected most the faults in the Corvair by the time Ralf's "epic" came out.

[JDPriestly]

144. Lawsuits are not just about "correcting problems." They are about

compensation for those who are injured by the negligence, reckless or intentional wrongs of others.

People were injured. Had GM taken responsibility and negotiated a settlement with the victims, then there most likely would not have been a notorious lawsuit.

Nader drew attention to the fact that automobile companies were calculating the risks of problems in their designs without adequately valuing human life, without adequately attempting to avoid harm to humans.

[Luminous Animal]

150. The book wasn't about GM. It was about how corporations will sacrifice safety for profit.

The Corvair was but one of 8 chapters about the disregard of the auto industry for public safety. It doesn't matter that GM corrected the faults. What matters is that they knew about the faults before they were corrected, knew how to correct them but chose to ignore the warnings from the own engineers and went ahead with the produced it public safety be damned.

[Bluebear]

148. What "shit" have you accomplished?

[AverageJoe90]

135. He may have spoken the truth at times........

But his involvement in the 2000 elections, which enabled the close call that led to the GOP's stealing it, will never, and should never be forgotten or overlooked.

[Luminous Animal]

151. Yes. Let's not for get that in this celebrated democracy a U.S. citizen ran for President

on his party's ticket.

[elleng]

2. He is NOT launching a third-party bid,

he is encouraging discussion of the issues, on which he is correct. (I don't like discussions of primarying President Obama.)

Rover+ rethugs STOLE THE BUSH ELECTION, and we forget or dismiss that AT OUR PERIL. They are working on doing it again.

[Ohio Joe]

4. +1 - nt

[YellowCosmicSun]

5. I see you're a Nader supporter.

[elleng]

9. No

[YellowCosmicSun]

138. you sure are in every Nader thread pointing out the hidden wisdom in what he is doing

[elleng]

140. No.

You don't read so good, do ya?

[YellowCosmicSun]

145. wasn't it you who said that Nader is doing good by calling attention to Prog Issues

with this lame scheme?

[elleng]

152. No, this is what I said, Yellow:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=777233&mesg_id=777234

[sabrina 1]

142. Is there anything wrong with being a supporter of someone who

has probably done more for Americans than most politicians put together? You that as if it were an accusation. The question is, why are you not a Nader supporter?

And don't bother with the old, false 'it's Nader's fault that we got Bush' nonsense which has been debunked so many times you'd think by now any self-respecting person would be ashamed to repeat it.

[YellowCosmicSun]

147. Yes. To support Nader is to not support the Democratic Party.

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[sabrina 1]

164. Lol, that black and white thinking is always

fascinating. Although mostly it is not seen so much on the left, thankfully.

[Luminous Animal]

17. And, supposing that elleng was a Nader supporter, what would that mean?

[Rex]

92. That if he has his way then said person would be shipped off to a

gulag in order to die.

[YellowCosmicSun]

137. Draw your own conclusions.

[Union Scribe]

163. I'm sure many of us have.

About you.

[sabrina 1]

165. We have! n/t

[Snotcicles]

22. What do you think you're calling someone out? Maybe they are a free speech supporter. nt

[BlueDemKev]

6. They wouldn't have had a CHANCE to steal it if Nader hadn't been in the race

Nader received 97,000+ votes in Florida in 2000. Gore "lost" by 537 votes. DO THE MATH. A vote for Nader or ANY third-party candidate is a vote for the tea-baggers. We must never, ever make this horrible mistake again.

[shoopnyc]

10. this is true

[Luminous Animal]

19. 200,000-300,000 registered Democratic Floridians voted for Bush. YOU DO THE MATH.

[Rex]

23. Pooned!

:thumbsup:

[BlueDemKev]

30. You mean Dixiecrats

You know very well that a significant # of registered Democrats are right-wing Dixiecrats who haven't voted for a Democrat since JFK. Get serious. At the end of the day, had Nader the Traitor not been so damn stubborn, the Bush-Cheney years would never have happened....and our lives would be a lot better today.

[Rex]

36. How embarrassing for you.

Dixiecrats were a short lived party in 1948. Please stop making stuff up.

[Luminous Animal]

42. On the one hand, the Democratic Party is supposed to be "the big tent" party....

on the other hand, it is infiltrated with Dixiecrats and DINOs. Poor Democrats. Can't win for losin'.

[Rex]

48. Yeah seems some just want us to lay down and give up now.

Sorry, no can do.

[BlueDemKev]

61. No, but if you want to help Republicans win.....

...then vote for the Republicans directly.

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[BlueDemKev]

Whether I vote for a Rethug directly or thru a third-party candidate....

...makes no difference. A vote for a third-party candidate in place of the Democrat = A vote for the Republican

[Rex]

Funny how you didn't say if you did or did not vote for Gore.

Funny that...

[Luminous Animal]

84. So, you were a Bush voter, eh?

[Rex]

93. Wow...you got *crickets* to that reply!

How totally predictable.

[BlueDemKev]

55. You mean a short-lived ORGANIZED party....

...just because the party died didn't mean their ideals did not. Many conservatives in the South remained "Democrats" in name during the late 20th century because the Republican Party machine hadn't fully-organized yet. And many conservative voters stay in the Democratic Party because they're too lazy to switch their party affiliation.

[Rex]

59. Keep making stuff up.

I'm sure somebody will believe you eventually.

[BlueDemKev]

68. Stating Facts isn't making stuff up, Rexieboy....

...but you keep supporting Nader and these other third-party fringe candidates. Just don't bitch and moan when your civil rights evaporate, you can't afford to see a doctor because you have no insurance, you're homeless because your job got shipped overseas and the environment is trashed.

[Rex]

77. Wrong, I voted for Al Gore. Did you?

I doubt it.

[Luminous Animal]

78. Oooooh. He called you "Rexieboy".

[Rex]

81. Getting verbally shredded in his own OP is making him desperate.

[Luminous Animal]

37. Send me a link to support your accusation. Oh, and running for President is both

legal and supported by the Constitution. Anyone who chooses to run for President is engaging in a civic right. The antithesis of traitor.

[Rex]

41. Wy waste time? He doesn't even know what Dixiecrats are.

And the more it posts, the more it is obvious the agenda imo.

[BzaDem]

46. I think the vast majority of readers understood what he meant. The fact that you apparently didn't

doesn't change anything.

[Rex]

51. How embaressing for you too.

:eyes:

[BzaDem]

58. The ability to comprehend what a poster is saying is generally not something to be embarrassed about

To the extent that someone claims otherwise, it says far more about them than it does about me.

[Rex]

67. Keep trying, you will get it eventually.

Nah, just kidding you never will.

[Luminous Animal]

54. Absolutely zero evidence presented that those Democratic voters didn't think

that GWB was the best candidate and wouldn't have voted Democratic if a better candidate or campaign had been run. Zero.

[Rex]

71. They LOVED GWB! And now they seem to be so sour about

the Democratic Party so many years later! Amazing that.

[Luminous Animal]

50. I know. I almost posted similar facts about the Dixiecrats as you but decided to

go in another direction.

[BzaDem]

39. Since when is it OK to enable a Republican's inauguration just because other people do so? n/t

[Rex]

53. Good thing you edited your post.

The original was sadly obvious.

[Supersedeas]

169. funny

[Luminous Animal]

63. No, I think in a democracy, any person should be welcome to mount an electoral campaign

and every citizen should be encouraged to vote for the candidate of their choice.

[frylock]

49. now add the 200,000+ registered dems that willingly pulled the lever for bush..

they always seem to get a pass when any discussion of 2000 comes up. i wonder why that is?

[BzaDem]

52. So what? Since when is "but other people did it too!!!111!1" an excuse for anything? n/t

[frylock]

60. why don't you move to north korea if you dislike the democratic process so much?

[Rex]

64. Then they couldn't post here on DU about their brilliant political observations!!

So you know that ain't happening!

[BzaDem]

83. It is a shame Florida didn't have the top two primary in 2000 (that California has now).

Then, there would have been a jungle primary. Nader supporters could have gotten it out of their system then, so when the real election (a run-off) came around, they could have voted for one of the only two candidates on the ballot.

You could say that California now resembles North Korea or whatever. But I would say that if anything resembles North Korea in any way, it is a system that allows Republicans to put forth vote-splitting candidates so that easily manipulated people can assist in Republican victories.

[Luminous Animal]

94. California's current system is the worst thing for DEMOCRACY. It consolidates

the two parties like never before. I am not looking forward to the day when my only choices are between a Republican and a Republican. And it will happen.


And your insinuation that Republicans put forth Nader is one big giant lie.

[Rex]

98. Revisionist history - the kind Karl Rove approves of!

Sad ain't it!?

[BzaDem]

105. It is certainy the worst thing for spoiler candidates like Nader who want nothing more than to

hand the election to the other guy. But stopping them is a good thing for democracy, not a bad thing.

If Nader wants to be on the general election ballot, he can run in the jungle primary, just like everyone else. If he is one of the top two finishers, he gets on the ballot. It is very strange that some people believe that having ballot access be democratically decided is somehow anti-democratic.

[Rex]

106. FAIL.

[Luminous Animal]

110. I hope you will be happy with your choice of voting for one Republican or the other Republican.

Because it will happen.

[BzaDem]

112. That's what some people will say regardless of the system. In fact, some are saying it right now

with Obama as "the other Republican."

Some Republicans similarly think their entire Presidential field is made up of solely Democrats or "RINOs."

The truth is that I will be happy to vote for the candidate in the primary that I favor, and my most favored candidate out of the two remaining after that process. Nothing could be more Democratic.

[Luminous Animal]

114. So, let's get rid of the primaries altogether. All candidates allowed to participate in every debate

100% public funding of campaigns. No donations for PAC campaigning more than $1. One dollar, one vote.

Nothing could be more Democratic.

By the way, do you believe that the citizens of France, Germany, Canada, England, Spain & Australia live in democracies.

[BzaDem]

115. Some of that makes no sense. Other parts are fine.

We should have public financing and significant campaign finance reform.

I think though that having debates with 29 people that are watched by 5 people is probably not the best idea.

You ask me about a great list of countries, some of which for I do not have expertise. But to handle a few examples, Germany has something similar to proportional representation, so a vote for Nader does not help the Republicans (unlike here).

Canada, on the other hand, has a first-past-the-post no-runoff parliament. That is precisely why Conservatives keep winning partial or total control despite losing 60% of the popular vote. You tell me whether that is democracy.

[Luminous Animal]

116. That is why I threw Canada in there.

You advocate 1st past the post.

[BzaDem]

118. Not at all: I despise first past the post.

A top-two primary is not first past the post. In first past the post, a candidate can win the election despite not getting a majority of the votes. (For example, Democrats could split the vote between Gore and Nader, and Bush can win without an absolute majority.)

In a top two primary, this is impossible. After the primary, there would be two choices, and the eventual winner would always get more than 50% of the vote in the general election.

This is not to say that the top two primary is the optimal system. I support it because it is better than the system we have now. But there are plenty of reforms that would be even better than the top two primary.

[Luminous Animal]

121. Nope. You advocate 1st past the post for the two top fabulously funded parties.

What you advocate is dissimilarly structured but it has a similar effect. For instance. The Democratic party, the Green Party (who will have the support of most of the Socialist parties) and the Peace and Freedom Party will run candidates and they will split the vote for the Democratic candidate. The right will run two Republicans & Libertarians one candidate. Thus, the liberal/left will be split 4 ways and the right only 3.

It is easy to imagine the two Republicans running against each other in the general and every other party squeezed out because of first past the post (or in this scenario, first 2 past the post).

[Rex]

122. LOL!

Pooned again! :thumbsup:

[BzaDem]

129. At least I'm not advocating for a system that allows a spoiler candidate to give the election to the

Republican.

In reality, the Green Party, the Peace and Freedom Party, and the socialist parties will collectively get one or two percent of the vote nationally (probably less after 2000), and they won't ever be the cause of a Democrat not being one of the top two. Whatever problems the system has, that isn't one of them.

Instead of focusing on your hypothesized "easy to imagine" scenarios that have never happened in any state that had a jungle primary, why don't you focus on the scenario that DID happen, where Nader's presence on the ballot caused hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world (and justices that vote for decisions like Citizens United to further rig the system for a generation)? It would seem that THIS is the scenario to be worried about.

[Rex]

131. Garbage.

Pure garbage.

[Luminous Animal]

132. There is no such thing as a spolier candidate. All candidates are legitimate.

Ross Perot's candidacy gave the election to Clinton; he was no more a spoiler than Nader.

Oh, and our new "system" has nothing to do with Presidential elections. It is for top state elections only.

I have little faith that Gore would have stayed out of Iraq. His VP choice was a bomb bomb bomb Iraq advocate. Clinton cluster bombed Kosovo. His no fly zone contributed to 1/2 million Iraqi children deaths. He bombed Somalia. Obama's sending drones to Pakistan (more civilians killed than "terrorists"), and Libya is a un-Constitutional war of adventure.

[BzaDem]

139. You are right: it is absolutely legitimate to do everything one can to ensure a Republican victory.

That doesn't mean that anyone who does so is progressive, or that candidates who do so aren't spoiler candidates. It is kind of hard to come up with a coherent definition of "progressive" that includes people who enable the appointment of Supreme Court justices that would rule unconstitutional any future attempt at progressive policy.

Any candidate who's presence on the ballot increases the likelihood of an ideological opposite's victory is a spoiler candidate. You can no more deny the existence of spoiler candidates than you can deny global warming or evolution. Denial might be convenient for your argument, but it isn't true.

(Furthermore, exit polls show that Perot took equally from both Bush and Clinton.)

[Name removed]

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[Luminous Animal]

133. Oh. And both the Democratic party and Republican party are now talking about

eliminating citizen participation in primaries altogether. Both (separately, of course) are considering back room maneuvering and presenting only 1 candidate to run in the primaries. The only candidates from either party that could challenge this kind of machine would be the incredibly wealthy. All hail the oligarchs.

[Luminous Animal]

113. Indeed. Electoral politics should be a jungle. How pathetic. Let's pit all candidates

against the billions raised to keep the corporatists in power. Being able to support your own candidate from your own party is certainly Democratic. Much of the rest of the Western world enjoys that choice.

[Rex]

62. Those are what people call FACTS.

Sorry if it hurt your feelings when people bring up FACTS about the past.

[BzaDem]

86. Chewbacca is a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk. But he lives on the planet Endor.

The facts you are referring to are precisely as relevant to the question as the subject of this post.

[Rex]

90. Wrong. And your post proves it!

Thanks for posting! Keep going, that rope won't hang itself! :eyes:

[Rex]

57. Yeah their enablers are all over this board.

Wonder why that is...

[TheKentuckian]

161. You've found the actual "sin", which is violation of the two party system

They are fine and dandy with whatever establishment candidate is selected, as well as selection rather than election otherwise Bush would be seen as the source of his numerous crimes rather than Nader and would have a bit of ire saved for Democrats that voted Bush or Reagan or even better the fascist court that invented law so shady that they themselves declared no precedent.

They also despise any accountability for politicians. Gore selects Loserman and agrees with W at every opportunity-no problem. Gore concedes-no problem. Gore runs away from a President more than popular enough to win a third term-no problem there either.

The only "problem" is failure to adhere to the two party system, such a "problem" that the man is declared a traitor by some. A traitor for following our laws and engaging in our system. A system that gives no constitutional preference to any party.

Signed,

I voted and worked for Gore in 2000.

[shoopnyc]

7. ralph WAS not bad tonigght....

but has caused lots of past drama...he is in twilight years so i give him major respect JUST because of that...

[Luminous Animal]

8. Because Nader is a citizen activist whose influence created much of the

consumer protections that we enjoy today. Your rant against him running for President is grossly undemocratic.

As for facts... yes let's ignore the deep structural corruption of our electoral systems and shake our fists and stomp our feet at our own "Emmanuel Goldstein".

Also, let's not forget the 200,000 - 300,000 registered DEMOCRATIC Floridian voters who voted for Bush. If the Democratic Party and Al Gore could have managed to convince their own damn party members to vote for their own damn candidate, we wouldn't have Nader to kick around.

[nadinbrzezinski]

+ Brazillion

[shoopnyc]

18. the environment is diff though...

the fourth estate has NO scruples right now as they did in the olden days...

[Octafish]

20. + 1

Thank you for putting it into words, Luminous Animal.

Full disclosure: I'm one who was mad at Ralph for running in 2000. Not. Any. More. Though.

[Rex]

21. I suspect the biggest crybabys are the ones that voted for GWB in 2000.

They can't handle their own act of stupidity in 2000, so they blame someone else. Now who does THAT sound like?

[Luminous Animal]

24. It sounds good to me!!!

[BlueDemKev]

25. Registered Democratic Voters?

You know good and well that a significant number of registered Democrats are DEMS IN NAME ONLY....they are Zell Miller-type, Dixiecrat assholes who are more conservative than today's Republicans.

[Rex]

27. Yeah there are a lot of DINOs on this board.

:eyes:

[BlueDemKev]

40. Yeah, starting with the Nader Sycophants

No Democrat could possibly support Nader to any degree after his extreme self-centeredness caused our country to be taken over by a bunch of wild-eyed right-wing extremists.

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[la la]

117. i just posted in another thread that

ralphie is back because he's ready for another 15 minutes of fame--his ego has gotten so big, he's rivaling bachmann, perry and palin et al.....why dems don't seem to get that- i'll never understand....

[Luminous Animal]

31. So, you took a poll, did you?

And the Republicans who organized to vote for Kerry in 2004 (they had a website, buttons, and every - thang), are they Republicans in name only?

[BlueDemKev]

35. Give me a break!

Everyone knows that the Republican Party are a far-more disciplined party than the Democrats are. Either you're under 14 yrs old or you don't know jack-shit about the two major parties in America.

[Rex]

38. What garbage, again why do you post this stuff?

Bored and want to make garbage up to scare the neighbors? :eyes:

[BlueDemKev]

45. I've simply stated FACTS

Any person with one iota of knowledge of American politics knows it.

[frylock]

69. you've stated opinion. facts are backed up by data..

something your posts are lacking.

[Luminous Animal]

75. Facts cannot be stated without proof. You've got nothing but mere speculation.

[Rex]

79. You don't seem to know the first thing about American politics.

But keep going this has gone from sad to funny!

What garbage will you post next!?!?!

[BzaDem]

100. rofl

[Rex]

102. You either.

But keep bleating anyway...it is very entertaining for the rest of us!

[Donnachaidh]

80. +100! n/t

[WillyT]

109. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

:applause::applause::applause:

:yourock:

:hi:

:kick:

[leftstreet]

119. +1

[Rex]

11. Wrong, GWB's camp commited theft of a federal election

Ralph got upstaged by far bigger assholes. That FACT is hated by many that voted for GWB, yet learned that they were being fucked over and now are Dems. :eyes:

[ZombieHorde]

12. Gore should have dropped out of the race when Nader entered.

Gore is reason Nader lost. Gore is to blame for GWB.

[Rex]

15. LOL!

:toast:

[orpupilofnature57]

16. Poppy is

[orpupilofnature57]

13. He should be ostracized for one of the biggest acts of selfishness ever.

Dweeb fuck knew better.

[Luminous Animal]

28. Yes, exercising his legal and constitutional right to run for public office.

And I suppose you have similar advice for Teabaggers who have split the Republican vote in down ticket elections?

[Rex]

32. Why do certain Dems hate freedom fries?

Such a mystery to me, they seem to HATE it when others exercise their constitutional rights...just like Repukes for some reason.

Really is strange behavior imo.

[frylock]

76. i bet none of them had a problem when perot split the republican vote

[Luminous Animal]

82. Yep. And if the Tea Party ran an independent candidate, their would be much joy in Undergroundville

[Rex]

87. I bet they don't even know what you are talking about.

From what I've seen here, they don't know much about politics in general.

[BlueDemKev]

33. Yep, it was his right.....

...to act like a stubborn jackass and hand the presidency to right-wing assholes who all but destroyed our country. Yep, it was Nader's "right".

[orpupilofnature57]

44. I don't advise fleebaggers about anything and Nader has the right to ..

be a shortsighted dweebie asshole,so put that in your Corvair and drive it.

[BzaDem]

99. Pennsylvania has the legal and Constitutional right to not have a Presidential election, and to

award all of it's electors to Perry. (That's actually how the first few Presidential elections were done in several states.)

Does that make it right, because they have the constitutional and legal right to do so?

[Rex]

101. I'm sure you have a link to back that up.

Sure.

[Luminous Animal]

108. Actually, yes it does make that legally and constitionally right. If the citizens of PA

want to change their Constitution, it is up to them. Do you advocate that citizens of the U.S. should be only allowed to vote for 1 of 2 candidates? If so, start a Constitutional Amendment campaign. California did. Lot's of big big money poured into the state so now the citizens of California no longer can vote for what each considers the best candidate of their choice.

[Arctic Dave]

26. Hopefully he will be on more TV talk shows.

[Rex]

29. GOD NO! IT WILL DESTROY THE REPUBLIC!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[orpupilofnature57]

158. No, cartoon idiots will

[Autumn]

34. I respect Nader. He has done a lot of good things.

I wish he had not run because with all the dirty tricks the GOP pulled and the stupid butterfly ballots, that made things closer than they would have been. The supreme court caused the election of George Bush. That FACT cannot be denied.

[orpupilofnature57]

47. Please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000

[Autumn]

95. Please yourself. Bush won the election by a 5 to 4 vote

the only fucking votes that counted. The fucking supreme court. When the votes were eventually tallied Al Gore had won.

[Rex]

104. Thank you for not buying into their revisionist history.

It makes Karl Rove proud that there are DINOs out there trying to rewrite history. Makes his job easier!

[Autumn]

107. I'm not about to buy into that bullshit.

I fucking remember it very fucking well.

[orpupilofnature57]

157. Obviously not ,are you saying Ralph Nader had nothing to do with shrub being..

elected and inadvertently ruining our Country ? FYI REVISIONIST HISTORY IS WHEN YOU DELETE AND ADD ,wheres that going on here ,sounds like a couple of people here will remain children or be forced to learn it again.

[TheCowsCameHome]

66. ...like staying away for years at a time.

[frylock]

56. just to piss you off..

i'm glad to see it's working.

[Fuddnik]

72. Damn, you beat me to it. Tomorrow he's doing an hour with Jane Hamsher.

[Logical]

65. Wow, you are one classy poster.

[BlueDemKev]

74. Thank you for the compliment.....

[sabrina 1]

70. Love Ralph Nader.

Good for LOD! He is looking more and more right about Corporate America than he ever did.

[Luminous Animal]

124. He's been the clarion call for decades and now that we're all screwed, it's time to shoot him.

I love him too. And I've had the pleasure of meeting him and talking with him for a while. Warm and witty. He was great with my daughter who was only 10 years old at the time.

[Firebrand Gary]

89. Current TV is much better that hour anyhow.

[Bluebear]

91. Yes, a true liberal value is kicking someone in the ass.

[Rex]

97. And kicking them when they are down.

Seems like a sport for some here.

[Turbineguy]

111. Ralph Nader has done a lot of good.

But helping Bush get elected was not one of them. It effectively negated all his prior good works.

He could help here by helping Obama. But that does not seem to be the case.

[aikoaiko]

123. I liked Nader's car safety work.

:thumbsup:

[lordsummerisle]

125. Correct me if I'm wrong here

but if Gore had won his OWN STATE (Tennessee) wouldn't he have won the election....?

[Better Believe It]

134. Ralph Nader hasn't done shit since writing "Unsafe at any Speed"! Except for ....

these few insignificant things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1974877

[JDPriestly]

143. He is refraining from censoring the news to exclude dissenting voices.

O'Donnell is reporting the news fairly.

[Rex]

146. Good point! Seems like some here would like the news to be more

like Foxnews!

[iamthebandfanman]

154. I know, its funny isnt it?

there was a time when people at DU were against censorship...

but oh that nader, how he makes the blood boil..

how dare he think he can run for president!!

lmao.

[iamthebandfanman]

153. to make all you nader haters

act like the bunch of babies you are.

liked your last sentence though, nice touch to make sure you get an argument!

you want some cheese with all that whine?

[Le Taz Hot]

155. Pavlovian

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

159. Eeek!!!! Ralph Nader!! Save the children!! He stands for Democracy!!

[oldlib]

160. And he allowed him to speak to long.

I had to mute Nader during his diatribe, because I've heard it before. We don't need a Democratic Party primary election.

[Arkana]

166. Because Nader will shit-talk Obama and Lawrence loves that.

[mdmc]

167. this is what democracy looks like

chump

[mdmc]

168. ..

[toddaa]

170. Democracy is much easier with only two candidates to choose from

Having too many choices just leads to anarchy. In fact, I think even having two candidates in an election is a bit risky. It leads to 49% of the population throwing away their vote.