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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:31 PM
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Elizabeth Warren: game-changer.
Before Elizabeth Warren made her intentions known, it looked for all the world like Scott Brown was going to waltz to victory in 2012. Now...

Poll: Elizabeth Warren Takes Early Edge Over Scott Brown
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ERIC KLEEFELD SEPTEMBER 20, 2011, 11:21 AM

A new survey of Massachusetts from Public Policy Polling (D) has a stunning result — with Republican Sen. Scott Brown narrowly trailing former White House financial reform adviser Elizabeth Warren, who officially launched her campaign last week and has been enjoying a round of positive press coverage.

The numbers: Warren 46%, Brown 44%. In the previous PPP numbers from June, Brown led the lesser-known Warren by 47%-32%.

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In a positive sign for Brown, the poll asked: “Do you think Scott Brown has been more an independent voice for Massachusetts or a partisan voice for the national Republican Party?” The answer was 47% independent voice, to 41% partisan Republican voice.

PPP’s Tom Jensen writes: “This poll was taken over the weekend right after a week of positive press surrounding Warren’s candidacy announcement. It’s possible that gave her a bounce that may recede some in the coming weeks. But that doesn’t change Brown’s falling approval numbers- this looks like it will be a highly competitive race.”

The rest: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/poll-elizabeth-warren-takes-early-edge-over-scott-brown.php?ref=fpblg

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:33 PM
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1. "Come back to the herd, Massachusetts."
Brown is virtually inexplicable.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:37 PM
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4. No, he's not.
Edited on Tue Sep-20-11 12:38 PM by WilliamPitt
1. Until Deval Patrick, Massachusetts had GOP governors for 16 straight years, due in no small part to the fact that...

2. Massachusetts is not the far-left progressive bastion people think it is in the commonly-accepted stereotype. There are definite hard-left areas (Cambridge and Northampton are two examples), but the whole of the populace hardly fits the role. Plus...

3. Martha Coakley ran one of the most lackluster, lazy, lackadaisacal campaigns in modern political history, while Brown ran wild on out-of-state money and ran her right off the road.

So, yeah, there it is. We're a Blue state for sure, but there's enough bright pink here to elect 16 years of GOP governors and one GOP senator.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:43 PM
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5. Magic Johnson could fix it.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:53 PM
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6. I'm sure you're right.
:)
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:55 PM
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The tendency of Mass voters to elect a Republican Governor is
partially due to the fact that the Mass legislature has always been overwhelmingly Democratic...an effort at checks and balances, I think. Also, Ed Brooke was a Senator as was Henry Cabot Lodge...both very decent men. Ed Brooke was the first and only black Senator elected from Mass and was defeated mainly because he divorced his wife...a scandal in those days. You met Henry Cabot Lodge at Cooledges when you were a little tyke...he drank his soup :-)
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:56 PM
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8. Don't forget the DiMasi, etc. shenanigans
I think some of the corruption on Beacon Hill had really damaged the D brand in 2009
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:57 PM
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9. you forgot to mention
That the Patriots suck.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 01:39 PM
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11. Maybe the same as Ca. Give us a celebrity or a good looking guy or gal as
a repub and we'll elect them
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 01:53 PM
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12. Scott Brown is not viewed in the same light today as he was in 09.
He was all for those Wall St. bonuses, despite his stupid truck. Plus, I don't think he and his people know how to deal with Warren. She defies the stereotype of Harvard professor because she is a gal from Oklahoma who once worked in a factory and grew up on the edge of poverty. She was treated pretty badly by male republicans in congress and got a boatload of sympathy, particularly among women voters who were outraged at the way she was treated. She has the right message for the present time and appears to be sincere in her devotion to the consumer.

The only problem she might have would be if there is "something" in her background that can be exploited to show she is somehow "bad." Here in CT, Linda McMahon had to go to an awful lot of trouble to make Dick Blumenthal out to be some kind of conniving liar. It sure didn't work!
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:38 PM
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16. IIRC, wasn't Bill Weld governor for at least one term?
And he hardly fit the now deserved Repuke stereotype. He seemed more like Arne Carlson, who was guv here for two terms back in the 1990s - a "Republican" who was really a progressive on social issues and somewhat right of center, fiscally.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 05:49 PM
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19. Romney....
I think, looking from afar, that people tend to equate the liberal stance of the later day Kennedy's with the state.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:34 PM
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2. KNR
Pretty good for just entering the race.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:37 PM
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3. Oops. Sorry Scott.
Well, you'll always have your truck.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 12:55 PM
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7. lol!
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 01:03 PM
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10. Warren had better not get too overconfident
Unless there are some sexy poses of her on some centerfold from 30 years ago out there?

After all, what issues are REALLY important to American voters these days?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:00 PM
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13. That's Brown's only hope, something weird from her past or something he can
construe as weird. If he tries to pull a Rick Lazio on her he will utterly fail (and republicans have already tried to humiliate her and didn't exactly cover themselves in rose petals doing so) . She promised that she could be outspent but not outworked and I think she means it. So his strong point in 09 ain't gonna be so strong against her. Plus, she is appealing. She doesn't fit the mold of a distant, unfriendly professor type and she sounds pretty non-Harvard.

I'm sure Brown's people are out there focus grouping away madly, trying to find her weak points, but I think she will outsmart him in the end.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:12 PM
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14. She could probably outsmart Brown while napping
It Frank Luntz she has to outsmart, and she'll need all her waking mental energy for that,
especially, as she noted, the Republicans will outspend her ten to one if they think it'll
make a difference. As Will Pitt noted, Massachusetts contains some pretty red parts. It's not
all Cambridge, Provincetown, Hyannis and Northampton.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:30 PM
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15. Well, they can't exactly paint her as "out of touch" with ordinary people.
Which is what they essentially did to Coakley (with her own assistance!).

She won't get the Tea Party vote and mysognists vote, that's for sure. But that's not who she is trying for. Dems and Independents will go for her,tho...
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:54 PM
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18. In Massachusetts that SHOULD be enough
As long as people get their asses to the voting booth.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 02:44 PM
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17. Good news. When the people have a candidate they can get
excited about, they do.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-11 06:13 PM
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20. Brown is an idiot...
he has very few votes, no legislation proposed, is viewed as nothing more than a clown in cheap costume.

With a year+ until the election, and several debates coming, EW's intellect will destroy Brown. Warren is brilliant and has integrity...Brown has a truck and terrible underwear.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-11 08:06 AM
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21. I bet KKKarl is working on Warren's defeat at this moment. He has unlimited funding now.nm
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