Michael Moore To Elisabeth Hasselbeck: "THE WAR IS OVER-What Are We Afraid Of?-Looking Like Wusses?'

[kpete]

"THE WAR IS OVER"

Elisabeth Hasselbeck, the lone conservative co-host of ABC’s women’s talk show “The View,” took the untypical position of defending President Barack Obama, specifically saying that he made the right decision to order the operation that killed Osama bin Laden.

Moore, who’s previously argued that the U.S. “lost something of our soul” in that raid, wasn’t buying it.

“The way we show the world that we’re difference is that we give even the most heinous person their day in court,” Moore said. “If we lose sight of that basic American principle — we put the Nazis on trial, we put Manson on trial.”

He added: “If we start to say that we’re afraid to hold trials because terrorists might hurt us, we look like a bunch of wusses.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/michael-moore-elisabeth-hasselbeck-clash-on-the-view/

[tblue]

1. Good for MM!

I didn't vote for Obama to kill OBL. But if it had to happen, I'm glad it was done by a Dem. I have a real hard time celebrating anybody's death. But that's me.

[lunatica]

2. The problem is the war is not over

Like the proverbial iceberg we can only see the top 10% of what's happening. If you ask a perfectly reasonable question about why politicians are doing something and you don't get a straight answer other than patriotic platitudes then there's something going on that we can't see.

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. That does not mean that the 90% is in any way legitimate.

In 2001 we declared war on Bin Laden. He's dead. The war is over.

It's time to get the fuck out.

[lunatica]

5. When the drones stop bombing and the last soldiers come home that's

when the war will be over. Before then it's just wishful thinking.

[truedelphi]

7. A lot of us can see the entire iceberg. It is all about war profiteers.

As a nation, we geared up and fought a real enemy, that is, the German nation under Hitler. A huge well maintained army.

The last wars that have been fought by this American empire are nothing but wars for profits. There was never any intention of winning in Vietnam. The armaments and ordnance given to the GIs fighting that war were pathetic. The battle strategy was pathetic. but it didn't matter because Honeywell, Dow Chemical, GE, and a dozen other huge war profiteers made their thirty pieces of silver.

Ditto both wars in Iraq. And now we find that about 200,000 people who fought in Iraq I have become very sick, by various methods, including unsafe, squalene-contaminated vaccines, and unseen toxins in the air from the burning oil fields.

The reason we are told we are in Afghanistan is that there are some 200 (or fewer) Al Queda there. And every time that we blow up another two dozen civilians at a wedding, we make it that much easier for the Al Queda to do some more recruiting among the relatives.

The real reason we are in Afghanistan has to do with the minerals that lie inside the mountains, not because of Al Queda.


If you are so rah rah about war, why not go yourself?

[onethatcares]

9. Ray McGovern said it was because of the natural gas fields in the

country on the other side of Afganistan. That was on an NPR radio show yesterday. He said that the oil companies realize that hydrocarbon oil is going to become a thing of the past and natural gas will be the future. We are in Afganistan to try to get a pipeline built to a warm water port in order to bypass the Russian. Bad thing is, the Chinese are also very aware of the gas fields and would like them for themselves.

[truedelphi]

10. Oh yeah, that is true too.

You could find information like that on the CIA official website back in 2002.

We had our officials under Clinton, telling various Afghan officials that if "you realize our need for a pipeline, we will offer you a highway of gold. If you refuse us our pipeline, then we will offer you a carpet of bombs." And they would not take our gold, so they got themselves a carpet of bombs.

The Afghans did not want us in their nation, nor did they want the Russian Soviets, nor do they want the Chinese. They want their nation for themselves, just as we would want our nation for us Americans.

[lunatica]

12. Where the hell did you get that was ra-ra about war

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm against all wars all the time. Always have been and always will be. And for the exact same reasons you state in your post.

Jesus! Learn how to read!

[truedelphi]

13. In re-reading your statement, I see it as ambiguous.

At least to me. The first time I read it, it sounded like you were saying that since we are still fighting a war, back off from questioning.

I have had RW neighbors say almost exactly what you said when they don't want to hear about politics - because after all our brave troops are off fighting somewhere.

I do apologize for not getting your other meaning, but it sounded too much like the other message I have gotten for years from people who believe "supporting our troops" means shutting up about everything.

[Lionessa]

3. kpete, your OP title quote doesn't come close to what Moore said.

What he said was that we look like wusses when we don't honor our own values, not that the wars are being continued because of fear of appearing to be wusses. And you used quotes even, I've not seen you be so careless before.

Here's the articles actual quote, He added: “If we start to say that we’re afraid to hold trials because terrorists might hurt us, we look like a bunch of wusses.”

[hlthe2b]

6. As right in principle as I believe Moore to be...

I'd be lying if I said I'm glad we don't have to deal with trying OBL. The Nuremberg trials were clearly the hallmark of our ideals, but the difference is that Germany and its armies had been vanquished. There was little risk of random retaliation from former Nazi followers of those tried and executed. Not so with Al Qaida or others sympathetic, no matter how much we believe they've been weakened and even crippled.

But, I do believe MM has a point. We were clearly able to try those responsible for the first WTC bombings and others since then. Despite my qualms, he has a point.

[Initech]

8. We're not wussies - we're sadists at this point.

[MisterP]

11. technically, it was an incident of workplace violence

the hit was CIA-directed, the ISI CIA-linked, and OBL CIA-employed