Coyotes romping in backyard of california home (video), alternative ways to deter them sought

[Liberal_in_LA]

Video at link:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/glendale-mayor-seeks-alternative-for-coyote-problem.html

Glendale mayor seeks alternative solution to coyote problem

Glendale Mayor Laura Friedman is calling on city officials to use the techniques of animal welfare groups when dealing with coyotes in the future rather than turning too hastily to traps.

During a City Council meeting Tuesday, Friedman said several animal welfare organizations contacted the city after a media flap broke out earlier this week as Los Angeles County officials prepared to catch a pack of coyotes that was roaming a North Glendale neighborhood and using a fire-gutted house as their base, the Glendale News-Press reported.

[Renew Deal]

1. This post belongs in the Guns forum.

:silly:

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[TheWraith]

3. Actually, I was just thinking rubber buckshot, like is used for riot control.

It would likely scare them off without seriously hurting them.

That said, if it's attractive for the coyotes to live in a human inhabited area, they'll keep coming. It's sort of like crime, arresting the criminals doesn't make crime unprofitable for the next group.

[Warpy]

6. Do you know what happens when you kill a bunch of coyotes?

The females step up their breeding to produce even more coyotes than you started with.

The only proven curb on the coyote population is the reintroduction of native wolves. When there's direct competition for food, the coyotes decrease their breeding and produce fewer coyotes.

[mrs_p]

52. spot on assessment

they need a natural predator and/or competitor. otherwise, there is always pregnant coyotes waiting in the wings.

[Vincardog]

4. I have the answer. When we had varmint problem on my place in TX I would have a beer bash the urinal

was the fence line and it kept the little critters away.

[Renew Deal]

7. I think someone sells urine for purpose.

[pipi_k]

19. Yep, I think you can buy bobcat urine

although I don't know how much of a threat bobcats are. Maybe people are their worst enemies. I think I will sell my urine... :7


I had to buy coyote urine to keep the raccoons from socializing under my back deck this past summer.

[kenny blankenship]

29. Coyote repellent is wolf urine.

I'd hate to be the guy who has to collect their specimen cups.

[pipi_k]

41. Yep, I do remember

reading recently that wolves are known for killing coyotes.

I don't know about wolf urine, but I can tell you that the coyote urine in a bottle is putrid.

[Robb]

5. Lots and lots of tea.

[zalinda]

54. Yup! Loved it! n/t

[MilesColtrane]

8. Just leave several pair of Acme Rocket Boots in a box out back.

They should inadvertently launch themselves off the nearest cliff.

[FailureToCommunicate]

42. That'll work...

[ChandlerJr]

9. What the bleep is wrong with a few coyotes

They keep the filthy stray cat population under control. Keep your damn cats in the house.

[LondonReign2]

18. I'm no expert

But I think that first picture is a bobcat rather than a coyote.

However, the Mountain Lion Solution(tm) should work for them too
:evilgrin:

[ChandlerJr]

20. No, I'm pretty sure it's a "house cat" with a songbird.

n/t

[LondonReign2]

21. See, told you I'm no expert

Yet, I'm still quite confident in my solution :)

[DeSwiss]

25. Actually, it's not a house cat, it's a Jungle Cat (Felis chaus):

Jungle Cat

The jungle cat (Felis chaus) is a medium-sized cat and considered the largest remaining species of the wild cat genus Felis. The species is also called the swamp lynx but is not closely related to the lynxes.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_Cat

And by the way, cat's aren't filthy either (I say this even though I'm a dog person). In fact, if it weren't for cats we'd be overrun with rats and their diseases in this world.

- So you might want to show a little respect and gratitude that they're helping to keep you alive.....

[Marrah_G]

36. Nice find

I thought it was a bob cat... i missed the tail

[Warpy]

55. My own favorite is Pallas's Cat, one that inhabits the same general range

although at higher altitudes. They live almost exclusively on rodents. They are beautiful cats about the size of a house cat and considered one of the oldest varieties of cat.

I wouldn't want to have one as a pet, though. They're born hissing and spitting and their dispositions don't improve as they grow.

[Marrah_G]

35. Ummm the top picture is a bobcat....... its supposed to be doing that.

Edit: I stand corrected... its still a wild cat though.

[blueamy66]

10. How about we quit building McMansions in the mountains?

I'm so sick of hearing the scottsdale residents bitch about yotes, snakes, javelinas etc. in their yards.

You stole their land. Deal with them. Quit killing them.

[ChandlerJr]

11. I have to agree

And some nights coming in off the 10 along Queen Creek it's like the coyotes almost seem to race along with the car.

I think they're kind of cool.

[EFerrari]

13. They are in Golden Gate Park.

I've seen them crossing the highway from the park over to the beach at about sundown.

We have them up here in the hills, too. People who keep chickens or goats have to be careful and outdoor cats are right out but outdoor cats is a bad idea anyway.

[blueamy66]

31. Just don't run them over.

:-)

[DeSwiss]

26. +1000

:thumbsup:

[LondonReign2]

12. Mountain Lions

Import a few mountain liions into the backyard and viola! Coyote problem solved

[Liberal_in_LA]

14. Alternate HUMANE solutions sought. n/t

[LondonReign2]

15. I didn't really think I needed the sarcasm tag thingy

Obviously I was wrong.

It's a dog-eat-dog world ya know...or maybe cat-eat-dog...

[Xithras]

16. That's a perfectly humane solution. Just ask the mountain lion!

:)

[Cleita]

17. A fence?

I see coyotes all the time in the pasture behind my house, but they don't come on to our property because it's fenced. You don't need anything special. We have corral fencing that is lined with metal mesh tacked on it. It keeps out predators, neighborhood dogs running around unattended and jack rabbits that the coyotes feed on, but allows in deer and other species that don't endanger our animals. Trying to exterminate them is a futile endeavor because they breed easily and are very adaptable.

[Abq_Sarah]

44. A coyote can easily get over a 5-6ft fence

Particularly if there's something for them to dig their claws into. They're climbers and diggers.

[Cleita]

57. They don't bother to breach our property.

I think it's too much trouble for them when there is a lot of other open range for them to prowl in.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

22. Barnes Varmint Grenade Bullets... accept no substitue.

Youtube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBy4Ul1zIkw

Introduced in 2007, the Varmint Grenade has rapidly become one of the most popular varmint bullets around. Based on a design Barnes developed for military applications, the hollow-cavity, flat-base bullet features a copper-tin composite core surrounded by a guilding-metal jacket. This extremely accurate bullet enjoys consistently high demand.

The bullet remains intact at ultra-high velocities, while its highly frangible core fragments explosively on impact. Produces instant fragmentation, virtually vaporizing ground squirrels and prairie dogs, even at long range. Expending its energy early, the Varmint Grenade seldom exits large predators like bobcats and coyotes, leaving valuable pelts virtually undamaged.

[Vattel]

40. I get it. Shoot people who complain about coyotes.

Soon there will be no complaints.

[truebrit71]

23. Wolves. They will get the coyote population under control right quick...

...

[JuniperLea]

24. They are all over So Cal...

From the desert to the mountains to the ocean... there are coyote warnings up in the Bolsa Chica wetlands in Huntington Beach.

Now that I think about it, a few weeks ago while in San Francisco, my daughter and I were viewing the Golden Gate from the park near Sea Cliff and there were coyote warnings there too.

The more we build in THEIR homeland, the more we'll see meandering off into other areas where they can find food, water and shelter.

The concrete riverbeds in So Cal are coyote highways!

I've noticed squirrel and raccoon populations are up around here as well.

[blueamy66]

56. Exactly. It is THEIR land.

We have encroached upon it.

Either deal with it or move...or even better....build somewhere else.

[hunter]

27. Puppies!

Interesting video.

We've got coyotes. Mostly they are invisible, but I've seen them close to the house.

Anyone who lets their cats or less-than-large dogs wander about outside is crazy.

When I was a kid one of our small dogs got killed by a coyote. They'd run off with our chickens too.

I used to take our larger dogs out to chase the coyotes off. Once our dogs chased a coyote straight at me. I stepped aside and let it race past. My dogs were so upset with me. They were looking at me like "How come you didn't catch it??? We chased it right at you!!!" Our oldest boss dog actually looked disgusted with my incompetence as a hunter.

[DeSwiss]

30. ....

[Bigmack]

28. Couple of things...

Some communities.. Denver area is one... have a program of teaching people to haze coyotes. Yell, throw things, etc....

If you want to keep them away from your place, try a hot wire with bacon on it. They will avoid your place and teach other coyotes to avoid it.

Better than shooting.

I think the thing that bothers some people is that coyotes are a Force we can't control entirely. Shoot them, trap them, poison them... they come back anyway. WE have to adapt to THEM, and some people can't take that.

[Mugu]

34. I don't have pets anymore so I'm OK with the coyotes.

In fact, I kind of like listening to them. There's been a couple of times recently that it sounded like they were having a huge block party behind my house.

But, back in the day when I had barn cats I would have to deal with the varmints every so often. Anybody that claims shooting them doesn't work hasn't ever shot any.

They would get bolder each time they came around until they wouldn't even bother to run when I stepped outside and hollered at them, perfect. I would normally wait until a bright moon (so I could see well) with snow on the ground (to slow them down.) Then when I stepped out it was with a 12ga. loaded with #4 buckshot. If you've never tried this combination believe me when I tell you that out to about 40-45 yards it works like magic. Point the gun, pull the trigger, and they drop like a wet dishrag. There's no whining or crying, they don't normally even twitch.

If you leave at least one alive and place the bodies of the fallen in the fence-row, you won't have to repeat the process for several years.

[Bigmack]

47. All you say is true... but...

what about folks in the suburbs.. hell, cities! Chicago has about 2,000 of them.

They are quick learners, and killing one and leaving evidence works well, but your suburban neighbors might object.

I like the hotwire w/bacon for built-up areas because you can keep the whole rig on your own property and not advertise to the neighbors what's happening.

[styersc]

32. A natural solution would be to import and release....

lions and tigers. And rhinocerus, just 'cause like rhinocerus, or is it rhinocerii?

[stevedeshazer]

33. Wile E. Coyote will be around long after we humans have outsmarted ourselves.

You can be sure of that.

They are very smart and adaptable.

Humans, not so much these days.

[Synicus Maximus]

37. Get two donkeys, they will stalk and run off the coyotes.

[Marrah_G]

39. really?

[Abq_Sarah]

45. Horses or Mules

Work as well. I've got a friend who raises Alpacas and he puts a couple of horses in their pasture at night.

[pipi_k]

46. Absolutely...

A good number of farms in my area have donkeys out grazing with the cows.

[Liberal_in_LA]

51. no way will they be allowing donkeys and mules in Glendale

[pipi_k]

53. A bit of glue + a bagful

of sheeps wool placed in strategic areas = a giant poodle.

[Marrah_G]

38. There is a growing issue with coyotes here in SE Mass

In fact my adopted feral kitty succumbed to a pack of them about 8 years ago ( pretty sure anyway). I tried to keep him in but he was miserable and would sneak out whenever he could. He just loved being out in the woods. My current rescue is an indoor kitty and doesn't ever try to run out.

But anyway...back to my point. The big problem with the growing population here is that they are destroying the red fox population by competing for food sources.

[pipi_k]

48. I had to educate one of my nieces who moved to Lowell

She has a young son, and a pug puppy. I told her to keep a good eye on them and not leave the pup outside. Even with supervision, a coyote could snatch it up.

She used to live in Florida, where I guess there's not the same coyote problem as here, and she didn't believe me. I had to send her an article about the coyote problem right in the urban areas. In fact, there was one account of a coyote on Capitol Hill.

[Bigmack]

43. Related to post #38.. about NE coyotes..

Lots of evidence that they are breeding with wolves... coy-wolfs.

NOT a good thing. Some wolves in the NE are 65 lbs! That allows them to take bigger prey, and they also tend to pack-up, more like wolves.

The crosses are probably responsible for the death of a young woman in eastern Canada a couple of years ago.

Coyotes don't attack people.... the crosses..? We dunno.

[Marrah_G]

49. Wow... I had not heard about that

[Liberal_in_LA]

50. picture of coy-wolf

[shanti]

58. i saw that

on teevee recently. a couple of these hybrids stalked and killed a hiker in canada. these hybrids aren't even afraid of dogs.